Radiator modification???

[Cornelious0_0]

Hey all just got what should be a quick question for ya...

Is it possible to cut into the tank of a radiator and seal it off to create a fillport directly in the radiator? The reason I'm thinking it should be possible is looking at Swiftech's H2O-120 Compact system.

Swiftech H2O-120 Review @ Anandtech

Swiftech has essentially done the very same thing with that kit, except my positioning of the "cap" would be different.

I'm looking into whether or not it would be possible to watercool my Shuttle internally, and if I could cut a fillport into the rad on the backside (so the "cap" is facing up when the rad is mounted with the barbs pointing down) then I could get away with that and the Apogee Drive...essentially a modified version of the H2O-120 kit.

Aside from work needed to cut and seal a hole in the radiator I just need to know if this is theoretically possible so I can start looking into the process itself.

[fart_plume]

just go to the harware store and get a 90* street ell fitting with the correct threads you'll get your external fillport and be able to adjust the angle of it too.

[Serpentarius]

plausible ... nowadays you dun have to use sholdering .. just use those 2-tonne strength expoxy to do the work
show us your work!

[Cornelious0_0]

Good to know...I'm actually going crazy with measurements right now trying to figure out how this might fit. Ontop of that...if I could find a simple 90 degree joint/fitting to attach to the H2O-120's rad I'd be up and going with very little work...just mounting the thing in the Shuttle.

The biggest challenge I'm gonna face is mounting the Apogee Drive, as Shuttle doesn't use standard LGA775 mounting holes for their cooler. If there is more space then usual how hard do you think it'd be to adapt the mounting of the Apogee Drive given how it's built? Dunno if it'd be simple enough to just add some sort of spacer or something and still get a tight enough mount.

[Utnorris]

Koolance makes a 90 degree fitting that would work.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21279

I use them on my XSPC res tops and EK waterblock for my video. They swivel and are compression fittings too boot.

Utnorris

[Cornelious0_0]

I just saw those as well...and I'm actually considering just using a seperate pump/waterblock and using those angled connectors on the rad itself...as with what I'm looking at they could come in very handy.

Even if I don't end up with the highest performing block on the market, going with all Koolance stuff with compression fittings throughout may be the thing I'll have to do to get through this relatively problem free.

I'm still looking into this, but I'm getting very excited at the idea/vision of how this could turn out and I'll continue to shoot questions into this thread as they arise.

[Serpentarius]

I just saw those as well...and I'm actually considering just using a seperate pump/waterblock and using those angled connectors on the rad itself...as with what I'm looking at they could come in very handy.

Even if I don't end up with the highest performing block on the market, going with all Koolance stuff with compression fittings throughout may be the thing I'll have to do to get through this relatively problem free.

I'm still looking into this, but I'm getting very excited at the idea/vision of how this could turn out and I'll continue to shoot questions into this thread as they arise.

multi loops huh?
but keep in mind ... is this your first time watercooling? if no, then proceed the challenge ..
if yes, then you should stick to a single loop 1st, run it for 1-2 months then only switch to 2 loops ..

normally if you're going directly for multi loop for the 1st time .. most probraly you might not able to complete your project .. it's best to try one at the time .. jumping too far might not be a good idea .... it's an advice


and bout that koolance fittings .. you dun have to use those premium barbs .. you could just purchase those plastic barbs .. its a personal opinion .. it's just tubing with metal/copper doesnt look to good for me ... it's like bit out of harmony ..

dont worry bout those gpm and flow efficiency thing ... it's way too sensitive for some of the xtreme members worry bout the flow rate ..
actually it's more important to notice the radiators since they're the one who does the cooling job .. flow rate is just the speed of liquid travel .. in fact, with all those all-powerful pumps and those short tubing loops .. it's basically overkill .. those pumps can be used for aquariums!

if you wan best performance ... got for a good rad, waterblock, and a very good thermal paste (preferable synthetic diamond paste)

[Cornelious0_0]

Sorry, only looking at doing one loop, but what I've got in store is constantly evolving...and I think I'm finally settled on something.

For simplicity and uniformity I'm going to be going mainly with Koolance parts with 1/4" compression fittings. I'm not 100% certain of the exact layout of the loop yet and exactly what components I'll be needing, but the worst thing that'll happen is I'll have to move to an external optical drive so that I can house a 120.1 rad and fan inside the case along with the pump and cpu block.

I'm constantly changing my mind in these early stages about what would be best so I won't go into tons of detail here and now but soon...hopefully, I'll be able to.

[Serpentarius]

Sorry, only looking at doing one loop, but what I've got in store is constantly evolving...and I think I'm finally settled on something.

For simplicity and uniformity I'm going to be going mainly with Koolance parts with 1/4" compression fittings. I'm not 100% certain of the exact layout of the loop yet and exactly what components I'll be needing, but the worst thing that'll happen is I'll have to move to an external optical drive so that I can house a 120.1 rad and fan inside the case along with the pump and cpu block.

I'm constantly changing my mind in these early stages about what would be best so I won't go into tons of detail here and now but soon...hopefully, I'll be able to.

if it's hard to keep up with a design .. try copying other worklogs ... they'll provide the basic foundation of your work .. and you modify bit from there ..
it's funny .. but normally i'll get the casing 1st .. then with a few papers .. i'll make some paper shapes (origami) with accurate dimensions on the rads, res, pump etc .. and organize it till i satisfied then only i'll make any online purchasing ..

[Cornelious0_0]

I'm pretty sure that I've got things ironed out in terms of what would fit where, I'm just not sure about one thing...in order to do the watercooling 100% internal all i really have room for is a 120.1 rad. With a half decent 120.1 rad and only the Q6600 being cooled, what do you think temps would be like on average?

With the stock Shuttle cooling with the Q6600 @ 3GHz 1.2v I idle at 45c and max load is 58-60c during Prime on all 4 cores. This is with about a 22c room temp.

I'm assuming that even with only a 120.1 rad I'd be doing better then a 35-40c delta on load but I just wanted to check. I'm not expecting top performance out of this watercooling loop, just a way to do something special with the Shuttle and cut down on some noise, the lower temps are more of a bonus then the main goal here.

I could forget about quietness and go with a 100cfm fan and see what happens if I add the HD4870 to the loop with only the 120.1 rad but i have a feeling it might not be pretty.

I dunno, what do you think, with stock cooling on the CPU (Shuttle's cooler) and GPU (HD4870 reference cooler) the CPU loads at 58-60c and the GPU hits about 80c...do you think that the 120.1 with a 100cfm fan would cave so badly that my temps would get worse or do you think they would be the same or slightly better?

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something like this might work well on the fillport
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24141

[Cornelious0_0]

something like this might work well on the fillport
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=24141

Possibly yes, but the fillport setup is the last thing I'm worrying about right now...got a few ideas though.

[Cornelious0_0]

Would anyone happen to know if this product is sold in pairs on the site or if that's the price for a single fitting?

I'm not necessarily holding myself to koolance parts now that I realise that I can use 1/4" compression fittings on any G1/4" threaded block/pump/rad but I just need to know if the Bitspower fittings I'm looking at are 4.95 each or in pairs.

[_G_]

I believe that price is for each, Performance pcs's price scale for the larger fittings but Petras has a flat rate price
http://www.petrastechshop.com/fittings1.html

you can also grab a translator and check out the stuff on there website
www.bitspower.com.tw

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double post

[Cornelious0_0]

Thanks for the heads up...just makin' sure.

Just gotta figure out how many heatsinks of what size I would need if I put a GPU only waterblock on the HD4870.

[Snyxxx]

I have yet found a CPU waterblock that fits Shuttles' SP35P2 motherboard. Are you going to make an extension to a normal blocks mount?

[Cornelious0_0]

I have yet found a CPU waterblock that fits Shuttles' SP35P2 motherboard. Are you going to make an extension to a normal blocks mount?

Just gotta get something that has a standard mounting plate like the Apogee GT so that I can either drill needed holes into the plate or simple make my own.

I am actually in the planning stages of a fully internal watercooling setup for my CPU/GPU in the SP35P2 and things are looking very promising.

[Snyxxx]

You may want to think about the CPU mounting some more. I have already placed a Fusion and Swiftech mounting plate over my SP35P2 motherboard, it wont fit. The Intel 775 hole spacing is at the extreme edges already on these waterblock plates and the trouble is the hole spacing on the Shuttle is even further apart.

This following will help you understand better.

http://www.daejavoo.com/pages/projec...k-mounting.php

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...le#post2393131

[Cornelious0_0]

Thanks for the link. If the stock mounting plate doesn't fit/reach I was just gonna make something myself anyways...no worries, I got it covered more of less...just gotta figure out what I'd fabricate the plate out of and I'll be set.