Roadmap hints we have to wait 365 days to get Lynnfield mobo

[Shintai]

But the amout of Memory slots and CPU socket does X55 can be identical to X58 but with a 1160 socket and 4 RAM slots!

There is no P series either. Replaced by Lynnsfield and ondie PCIe. There will only be X series and nothing else. Its simply impossible to make a LGA1160 with a chipset besides a simple southbridge.

[bowman]

But the amout of Memory slots and CPU socket does X55 can be identical to X58 but with a 1160 socket and 4 RAM slots!

Could hardly do that when Lynnfield processors won't have the QPI interface to connect to X58.

They have DMI (and PCI-E), so they need a DMI mobo chip.

Although dies with one gimped MC might be used for 'dual channel Bloomfield', who knows. Those boards and CPUs could be cheaper, but still no 1160/Lynnfield.

[Donnie27]

There is no P series either. Replaced by Lynnsfield and ondie PCIe. There will only be X series and nothing else. Its simply impossible to make a LGA1160 with a chipset besides a simple southbridge.

The numbers were speculation. Also note no one said a thing about specs

[Donnie27]

Could hardly do that when Lynnfield processors won't have the QPI interface to connect to X58.

They have DMI (and PCI-E), so they need a DMI mobo chip.

Although dies with one gimped MC might be used for 'dual channel Bloomfield', who knows. Those boards and CPUs could be cheaper, but still no 1160/Lynnfield.

No one said Lynnfield be placed on a X58. He said P55 to mean other chipsets for Nehalem that are NOT X58.

Boards (whatever number their given) not featuring X-58 chipset will be 1160 pin and the Pxx will use DMI since there will be little use for QPI anyway. IMHO.

[Pinacolada]

Lynnfield mobo won't take Westmere CPU which will fit into Bloomfield like socket so it should be quite cheap.Refresh CPUs are not worth of upgrade anyway IMHO.

[Donnie27]

Lynnfield mobo won't take Westmere CPU which will fit into Bloomfield like socket so it should be quite cheap.Refresh CPUs are not worth of upgrade anyway IMHO.

Sure they are! My Wolfdale at Stock 3GHz is faster than my overclocked to 3.1GHz E6600. No to mention a lot cooler as well.

[Shintai]

Lynnfield mobo won't take Westmere CPU which will fit into Bloomfield like socket so it should be quite cheap.Refresh CPUs are not worth of upgrade anyway IMHO.

They will fit fine. Its first the next after it that will change.

[Shintai]

No one said Lynnfield be placed on a X58. He said P55 to mean other chipsets for Nehalem that are NOT X58.

Boards (whatever number their given) not featuring X-58 chipset will be 1160 pin and the Pxx will use DMI since there will be little use for QPI anyway. IMHO.

There is no Pxx. And do you know what DMI is? Today DMI is basicly a PCIe 1.0 x4 connector. On Lynnsfield its a PCie 2.0 x4 connector.

There is nothing you can change besides a southbridge on Lynnsfield. You use the ondie PCIe or nothing at all.

[Donnie27]

There is no Pxx. And do you know what DMI is? Today DMI is basicly a PCIe 1.0 x4 connector. On Lynnsfield its a PCie 2.0 x4 connector.

There is nothing you can change besides a southbridge on Lynnsfield. You use the ondie PCIe or nothing at all.

No Shintai no one knows anything but you.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...E+based&page=2

Originally Posted by Shintai
DMI is actually just a renamed PCIe x4 link if I aint mistaken.

But PCI-E is serial too, right? Yet, that's not truly the point I was trying to make. The PCI-E, DMI-I/O, FSB and etc... connects to the HUB in the same fashion.

The Old Link between the ICH and MCH was 266MB Parallel, the new one is 2GB Serial and like 9 X times Faster

Again I said whatever the number is, PCI-E connects to it, not the CPU or etc... The case of the layout I linked to, that was the directly the X58 Chipset (whatever else you'd like to call it).

[Donnie27]

They will fit fine. Its first the next after it that will change.

There also no frakkin' way to know if Westmere will be compat or not=P Intel could easily up the IMC to 256bit.

[Blauhung]

There also no frakkin' way to know if Westmere will be compat or not=P Intel could easily up the IMC to 256bit.

As far as I understand, Westmere will be completely chipset and socket compatible with Tylersburg boards. I don't think there's a refresh planned for Tylersburg until PCIe3.0 is ready.

[bowman]

As far as I understand, Westmere will be completely chipset and socket compatible with Tylersburg boards. I don't think there's a refresh planned for Tylersburg until PCIe3.0 is ready.

This is good news. Makes me want to pull the trigger on a DP rather than UP platform..

[Shintai]

No Shintai no one knows anything but you.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...E+based&page=2



Again I said whatever the number is, PCI-E with connect to it, not the CPU or etc... The case of the layout I linked to, that was the directly the X58 Chipset (whatever else you'd like to call it).

Eh? Did you miss all the presentations and such? The DMI was 266MB several years ago, as in ICH5 and down. Its been 2GB/sec for quite some time now with ICH6 and up to ICH10. With Lynnsfield, havendale etc it will be 4GB/sec. But remember thats the combined speed. So in short, 2GB/sec each way.

Now you are telling me they gonna put a Pxx chipset on that?

There also no frakkin' way to know if Westmere will be compat or not=P Intel could easily up the IMC to 256bit.

Or maybe its 1024bit and 500cores? And uses a 2 pin socket

[Donnie27]

As far as I understand, Westmere will be completely chipset and socket compatible with Tylersburg boards. I don't think there's a refresh planned for Tylersburg until PCIe3.0 is ready.

Well at least I'll take that Info from you given you work for them, he doesn't. I think other folks being jerk towards him is starting to show I'd always respected him. We'd already said whatever Intel calls it and just used P55 instead of PXX or XXX. We'd said if Intel sticks to conventional naming schemes it'll look something like 51, 53, 54 and 55 after X58. I think he missed the "if".

If Intel sticks to its naming scheme, there will eventually be G51-53, P55 and maybe even a X55.

Dang Man, I know I'm not the best typist but that seems to say IF to me, how about you! I don't know what the hell Intel is dong but to get jumped for Speculation is pretty asinine

[Shintai]

I doubt there will be anything but X58 and later on X68. No other CPU needs it. And current chipsets will slowly drop down and replace value segments until they are finally replaced by value Nehalems and Ipexpeak

[Donnie27]

I doubt there will be anything but X58 and later on X68. No other CPU needs it. And current chipsets will slowly drop down and replace value segments until they are finally replaced by value Nehalems and Ipexpeak

You're still missing the point. Baby X58 is like saying i865 was a baby i875. That doesn't mean a low end version of the X58 but a chipset thats NOT an X58 but a lower number. That's why the other user said p55, or similer to a lower than X38 = P35 or lower than X48 P45 or P43. I got what he meant. Intel could name it P/X/T 50 for all I care. Could and If meant we didn't know. How in the hell can I misrepresent something I don't know in the first place?

Given he used P55 as an example, I also think Mainstream was the question, not Value.

Or maybe its 1024bit and 500cores? And uses a 2 pin socket

[Donnie27]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture...ecture.jpg&1=1
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-38...processor.html

Given that Ibexpeak chipsets will support eight PCI Express lines alone, the number of video cards in the system could be increased to four. But In this case user have to be satisfied with PCI Express x4.

The chipset this time around is called Ibexpeak and has yet another new designation from Intel: PCH, or Platform Controller Hub, and this is a single chip solution. It doesn't rely on Intel's Quick Path Interconnect, as instead it's using Intel's aging DMI chipset interconnect, which seems rather odd. Ibexpeak is also compatible with the Havendale core.

So now thats out the way, hey!

[Kingcarcas]

Ok ok let me see if i have this figured out now..........so Havendale = Wolfdale, Lynnsfield=Yorkfield and Bloomfield=High-end uber Xtreme edition/multi-processor platform?..............

There is a truism in business that "Competition and demand control prices"
At the top end right now Intel doesn't have competition and the demand for their products is high so the prices will stay high until AMD rolls out a cpu that competes with their products.
We got spoiled with the C2D's being relatively cheap when Intel was competing with the excellent X2's and Opty's.
That's history and the marketplace has changed.
The smart move as I see it is to stick with a Q6600 or a E8400-E8500 if your into gaming until the prices drop.
Your expenditures or not, control pricing.

Yup, AMD better bring some competition I'll stick with my E4500....

[Shintai]

Ok ok let me see if i have this figured out now..........so Havendale = Wolfdale, Lynnsfield=Yorkfield and Bloomfield=High-end uber Xtreme edition/multi-processor platform?..............

Yup, AMD better bring some competition I'll stick with my E4500....

No, not really. Bloomsfield= current yorkfield Q9550 and up today. Bloomsfield=316$+ or worst case, 540$.+

[Shintai]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/misc/picture...ecture.jpg&1=1
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-38...processor.html





So now thats out the way, hey!

8 PCie x1 1.x at best. Shared with network, sound, SATA etc. Good luck there body!

[Shintai]

You're still missing the point. Baby X58 is like saying i865 was a baby i875. That doesn't mean a low end version of the X58 but a chipset thats NOT an X58 but a lower number. That's why the other user said p55, or similer to a lower than X38 = P35 or lower than X48 P45 or P43. I got what he meant. Intel could name it P/X/T 50 for all I care. Could and If meant we didn't know. How in the hell can I misrepresent something I don't know in the first place?

Given he used P55 as an example, I also think Mainstream was the question, not Value.

Even so, you aint gonna put it on LGA1160. Also there is no reason to make a lower one either. LGA1366 is already a low volume market.

[Donnie27]

Even so, you aint gonna put it on LGA1160. Also there is no reason to make a lower one either. LGA1366 is already a low volume market.

Let me try something different?

The first data about the processors Havendale and Lynnfield, which will be based on Nehalem architecture in the desktop segment ( first half 2009), appeared yesterday .

Quad processors Lynnfield LGA 1160 will be limited to a TDP value not over 95 W, and an embedded controller PCI Express will enable to share the PCI Experss x16 power for two PCI Express x8. PCI Express will conform the version 2.0 specifications . This processor can work with discrete graphics cards and support CrossFire systems with two graphics cards.

We were just wondering what number Lynnfield and Clarksfield will have? When I said "similar to X58 but not X58". We weren't talking about a Low or Cut rate Bloomfield but the ones mentioned. These are what I was talking about If I said 1160 and 4 memory slots, I'm NOT talking about X-58.

You can quote me if you like! There will be Lynnfield models out and being sold long before July or August of next year. Why?

1. Once folks see Bloomfield, Intel will not be able to put off the others IN THE Mid-Range. Value models sure but those in the $169 to $315 range. No, not just the 2.66GHz Bloomfield either. The difference between a Cheap X58 + 2.66GHz Bloomfield and 2.66GHz + ___ chipset motherboard is enough that they don't treaten each other AT ALL!

2. US economy really sucks and only Killer apps can spark the IT Markets, Nehalem is Killer and Bloomfield is NOT High Volume enough.

3. Money is tight, upper range Lynnfield will offer better bang for the buck!

4. Lynnfield will be higher Volume and move the still sweet Penryn more into a Budget Sector to take that market by storm. Sure Intel would like to make more money off Penryn. Maybe they'll create another fake errata delay

That's just what I think and can be wrong as hell. Since it's just speculation and not talking about 1024 cores LOL, I don't care

[Shintai]

Number Lynnsfield will have? Chipset? None...

Basicly today it would be something like Lynnsfield CPU+ICH10R. Nothing else, no P45, no X48, no G45. (Even tho ofcourse it wont use ICH10R but Ibexpeak.)

[Donnie27]

Number Lynnsfield will have? Chipset? None...

Basicly today it would be something like Lynnsfield CPU+ICH10R. Nothing else, no P45, no X48, no G45. (Even tho ofcourse it wont use ICH10R but Ibexpeak.)

So PCH will not have a number?

[Zaskar]

Ehh this doesn't really effect us all to much does it though :P
Didn't the Intel rep say that Bloomfield chips will go as low as 400 for the base model? Its just a higher platform, not to be confused with Extreme Edition chips we have nowadays. With a base model CPU in that price range, why would any of us want the lower platform that will most likely be aimed at things like Dells.