Black Ops BIOS of the Day: G28

[dMITIj]

hmmm 1:2 dividers?
what fsb are you running?
weird... 1:2 should work fine...
Could you post the detailled BIOS settings using the List i posted?
thanks man!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=194182

i would look into that when i get home

[saaya]

alright, thanks!

[dMITIj]

hello againe.

So now i have bouth some new memory as you can see in my SIG, but i still cant get anything stabel over 1600mhz for the mem and 3200Mhz for the CPU, i have trid all the things we wrote about earlyer, lower multiple, more fsb and so on, and i have trid to look for some other tread for Q9450 and Black Ops but cant find any, i keep getting the d3 erro, were can i finde some redings for det codes?

[blindfitter]

Here;

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=190952

[saaya]

any updates?
sounds like your fsb limited... whats the max fsb with a low multiplier and mem divider you can get stable?
what exact settings are you running for vtt vcore etc?

[jolliffee]

hmmm this doesnt sound right at all... so it ran at 6x266 instead of 8x400?
Weird... did you reset the bios and load optimized defaults after you flashed the BIOS? how did you flash the BIOS? from windows or floppy?


hmmmm this only happened with the qx9770 right? hmmmm

Hi saaya

Sorry for being slow to respond, I’ve had to work away in Switzerland for a couple of weeks with no chance of answering your Q’s till now

This is with a QX9770, I know this may seem academic but I think it would help to resolve since I use the defaults as a baseline.

I’m running XP Pro, and flash using Fox LiveUpdate but I use local since I don’t have a network to the mobo. I get the BIOS from this site.

Before I flash I power down the mobo, remove power and press the little clear CMOS button on the mobo for a few seconds. I then power up, and load the BIOS.

Without changing any setting: the CPU Clock Ratio is 6 & CPU Clock is 400. The other crazy is even when I set manual OC I can’t change the CPU Clock Ratio till I change the CPU Unlimit.

I have never loaded optimised defaults, should I, what do they do?


Well I just tried again for some strange reason, settings seemed to be correct in BIOS at deafult now BUT!


System boots up and using the AGIS PANAL shows 3403 x 8 then changes to 2403x6
Am I missing a setting in XP I wonder?

Later in the Day Update!
Spent a couple of hours on this
I downloaded all the XP(SP3), drivers and updates, in fact I updated everything I could.

OK so no change but maybe some clarity:- remember no BIOS changes have been made just a straight boot to XP from a CMOS reset.

First Boot I can see the correct 8x400 in the AGIS Panal but after a second it changes to 6x400.
No when I re-boot the value in CMOS has been changed from 8 to 6 ?

I suspected it is something to do with the CIE BIOS so I disabled this in BIOS - reboot - No Change!
So it is only when I disable Frequency unlimit (that turns off CIE) that I can get control of the BIOS and can change the clock; phew I hope this makes sense?

[Xello]

Good job with the board and bios, folks. Currently rocking a QX9650 at 4.41ghz with 400fsb and Corsair XMS3 1600 (TW3X4G1600C9DHXNV) at 1600mhz 7-7-7-21 (1.86v), 21+ hrs prime stable. I first tried to get the cpu up along with the memory using the fsb, but general stability at 4.4ghz could only be done with the 400fsb and using the multi.

With more bandwidth not being an option i was thinking of going for better timings, i first went to 7-7-6-18 with 1.95v - yet to be verified with proper prime session, but stable so far in games / other smaller tests. I then tried 6-7-6-21 with just over 2v, but it was kinda buggy and i wasn't too confident with increasing the voltage much higher. According to legit reviews this memory can go to 6-7-6-18 but they were pumping 2.2-2.3v into it, i'm really not sure i want to go that high for fear of wasting the dimms as they appear to be performing really well so far, but i'm no pro at this so i'm not sure. I'd recommend corsair for this board without hesitation though :]

[saaya]

hey jolliffee, good to have you back
hope you had a good time away from hardware for a while hehe

it sounds to me like windows poer management is reducing your cpu multiplier to save power, did you adjust the powr management options to always run the cpu at full speed and stop fiddling with the cpu multipliers?

and the other problems you had after flashing the bios happen sometimes, its always best to load optimized defaults after flashing the bios to make sure there is no glitch or some settings is set to a weird value for some reason.

thanks a lot Xello
is that samsung based memory or micron?
if its micron then it should be good for 766 or 765 or 666 or 665 or 655, i havent seen any micron clock a single mhz better by pushing trcd up by 1, ie 676 over 666 should clock the same...

In my experience the older micron chips (GTN GTR GTS) liked the following timings:
986
876
766
765
665
655
555
554

and the newer micron ones (JNL JNM) like the following timings:
888
777
776
666
555

elpida ddr3 likes the following timings: (some sticks need trp to be 1 or 2 clocks higher than others, ie 687, 686, 676 etc)
685
684
674
574
573
563

and samsung ddr3 seems to be very similar to the newer micron chips, as in liking jedec timings (888 777), but it doesnt like lower timings than cas7 very much it seems.

[Xello]

The IC's are Samsung i believe.

I took a deep breath and pumped my memory up to 2.15v and NB up to 1.5, and i started pushing the fsb up again. I'm currently at 423 x 10.5 (4.4ghz / 1692mhz from 1:4 cpu333 - i think that's 1:2?) and seeing how tight i can get the timings from here. At 7-7-7-21, i get even better latency results in sandra than 1600mhz at 6-7-6-18 (67ns vs 69), and also much higher bandwidth results, so i think this is the way to go.

You appear to be right about the cas 7 though, at this clock anyway - none of the 7-7-7's will go any lower, so i'll see if i can get the precharge delay down a bit and find my 'sweet spot'

[saaya]

lower tras sometimes helps you to get lower trp, thats a trick hipro5 taught me
it wont be 100% stable tho, but good enough for benching

[jolliffee]

hey jolliffee, good to have you back
hope you had a good time away from hardware for a while hehe

it sounds to me like windows poer management is reducing your cpu multiplier to save power, did you adjust the powr management options to always run the cpu at full speed and stop fiddling with the cpu multipliers?

and the other problems you had after flashing the bios happen sometimes, its always best to load optimized defaults after flashing the bios to make sure there is no glitch or some settings is set to a weird value for some reason.

Hi saaya.
The problem is:-
The default BIOS settings, before booting to XP are wrong for the QX9770, maybe others
I'm not aware of any settings in XP that can be changed to set full power?
The optimised defaults produce worse performance for me with the QX9770

I just find it strange that it is only when I (or why do I have to) disable Frequency unlimit (that turns off C1E) that I can get control of the BIOS that allows me to OC.

I'm just reporting this is what I have on two BlackOps mobo's at default settings.

If you'd like me to check anything just let me know

[saaya]

control panel, power options, select a power profile to have the cpu run full speed all the time.
theres even a guide on microsofts website for this, i posted the link in the guides and tweaks subsection

qx9770 issues, yes, there are some problems with it since its default 400fsb, we are working on it... sorry for the onconvinience

dont understand what problems you have when you disable frequency limit, can you explain it again?
what settings are you running now that give you better perf at stock speed?
thanks

[jolliffee]

control panel, power options, select a power profile to have the cpu run full speed all the time.
theres even a guide on microsofts website for this, i posted the link in the guides and tweaks subsection

Umm! I don’t have any of these options on any of my 4 desktops running XP:-


But all my XP laptops do:-

qx9770 issues, yes, there are some problems with it since its default 400fsb, we are working on it... sorry for the inconvenience

Good stuff looking forward to the BIOS update..

dont understand what problems you have when you disable frequency limit, can you explain it again?

I didn’t explain myself very well on this so here goes!
When I set manual OC I also have to disable frequency limit to allow me to OC the CPU.
When I set Manual OC I expect all settings that limit OC’ing to be altered automatically. So I expect frequency limit to be disabled when I set manual OC if I have an extreme CPU like the QX9770.

what settings are you running now that give you better perf at stock speed?
thanks

Still working in Switzerland so I’ll post these when I get back home and back to the real world!!

[ZoLKoRn]

i just start with mind retails i have problem like as somebody here with FSB and strap, so first i try on G28-bios i have alot of problem with mem-divided it don't boot on other divided only boot on 1:2 but i like it for memory freq because it easy for (480MHz FSB)DDR3-1920MHz 8-7-6 or 7-7-7.... well if i need for FSB over 500MHz it not work if change mem-divided

so i switch back to G27-bios and it well work for 5:8 divided at 500FSB (1600MHz memory 7-6-5, or 6-6-6) but after pushing more to about 520FSB i have problem with 54code and continue beep!

CPU E8500
Ram G.SKILL 12800C7(GTR), G.SKILL 12800C7(JNL) << both problem

i'll try on mine Bluekit again tomorrow after give back from my friend

[Trouffman]

I'm actually testing this G28 bios too !

Strange seems the QX9650 is multiplier locked... strange Or I'm stupid and it's a Q9650...

[Xello]

I'm actually testing this G28 bios too !

Strange seems the QX9650 is multiplier locked... strange Or I'm stupid and it's a Q9650...

Set EIST to "Native" and Frequency Unlimit to "Enable" and you should be ok. If you want to turn off the downclocking, choose "High Performance" under Windows power management.

[broller]

hi sorry to post lare but i was having same probs with qx9770 and what i did was flashed to 27 then 26 and then back to 28 for some reason that has fixed it for now but it was only happening in vista

[jolliffee]

I'm actually testing this G28 bios too !

Strange seems the QX9650 is multiplier locked... strange Or I'm stupid and it's a Q9650...

When I set manual OC I also have to enable frequency limit to allow me to OC the CPU.
Note: this also turns off C1E Function on my board @ G28

If you have XP: Windows XP power management is a separate setting than Speedstep. Windows XP does not directly control Speedstep. The control over Speedstep and C1E is the BIOS

[SmokeyTheBandit]

The blackops ich9r bios won't support 2tb+ raid partitions.
This was no problem on the dfi x48-t3rs and there both ich9r.
Can't be anything other than bios

So please update i'm getting tired of the "incompatible disk" 20 sec. boot delay

[Slovnaft]

I just got this board in last night and could only spend about an hour fiddling before getting frustrated and going to bed.
First, I did the online BIOS update to version P05 i believe. This isn't by and chance the official release version of G28? Would I be better off with G28?
Also, I'm having serious power issues. It either has huuuge vdroop or is severely undervolting. I mean, I set cpu target voltage to 1.4 in BIOS and cpuz reads 0.880 at idle and 0.956 at load! My RAM isn't stable at stock speeds I have to underclock to at least 1200 depending on my oced cpu speed.
I'm chalking most of this up to the hope that there's something about this board that I just have to 'feel' and will eventually understand.
In the mean time, any help? It sounds like G28 might fix some of this?

[negev]

I found G28 to be slightly more stable, however I also had ram problems. Not sure whether its the sticks or the board, but I have to run my Geil memory at 8-8-8-26 2.0v to get 1600MHz stable instead of its rated 7-7-7-24 @ 1.9v.

Geil have told me that the max safe voltage is 2.2v, so I might try upping the vdimm at the weekend to see if I can get the timings tighter but I really can't be bothered at the moment, I'm just happy that everything is stable with a mild overclock of 3.2ghz. Not gonna push much harder until i get h2o.

Play with the board a bit, like everyone says it takes time to get used to it but it is really cool

[raptor1]

To lardarse and saaya

just to let you know that there are 2 or 3 people including myself that are having issues with P05

the problems i am having are

1. after powering up from cold after been plugged out all night i get a post code of 54

2. intermittent shutdown and restart loops - would need to clear cmos to get going again

3. post codes varying between 61 - 64

when i was on G27 i never had any of these problems

you can check here for the other users who have tried P05

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=198071

i have now reflashed back to G27

i just wanted to let you know about these problems

Best Regards
flanr

[Slovnaft]

I found G28 to be slightly more stable, however I also had ram problems. Not sure whether its the sticks or the board, but I have to run my Geil memory at 8-8-8-26 2.0v to get 1600MHz stable instead of its rated 7-7-7-24 @ 1.9v.

Geil have told me that the max safe voltage is 2.2v, so I might try upping the vdimm at the weekend to see if I can get the timings tighter but I really can't be bothered at the moment, I'm just happy that everything is stable with a mild overclock of 3.2ghz. Not gonna push much harder until i get h2o.

Play with the board a bit, like everyone says it takes time to get used to it but it is really cool

greg over at mushkin forums told me that it's probably RAM's PL that's limiting it and fsb. He told me to set all my stock timings with PL9 and that should help get higher fsb.
http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/vie...hp?f=3&t=12173

And I hope you're right about this being a 'cool' board, but I'm having trouble finding it 'cool' when I'm running a Q9450 at 3.2ghz that was at 3.8ghz with more room to go the other day.
Sigh...just waiting for nehalem...

[jolliffee]

When I set manual OC I also have to enable frequency limit to allow me to OC the CPU.
Note: this also turns off C1E Function on my board @ G28

If you have XP: Windows XP power management is a separate setting than Speedstep. Windows XP does not directly control Speedstep. The control over Speedstep and C1E is the BIOS

Windows XP processor control policy using ACPI Policies

Right I've tracked down the situation with XP power management, in typical form it is a little confusing compared to Vista.

Select the Power Scheme to be used, and Windows XP matches it with a processor control policy.
Power scheme with AC power

• Home/Office Desktop No Power Scheme

• Minimal Power Management Adaptive Power Scheme

• Always On No Power Scheme

I hope this helps.

[negev]

Someone mentioned to me the other day that extra vdimm voltage apparently helps the board get above 400fsb. Will experiment with this idea at the weekend and report.