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    I think significantly lower temps have been reported for the 4850 with a remount and reapplication of some good thermal compound. I think it would be the case for the 4870 too but still... you won't get near the temps provided by aftermarket cooling.
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    So.... who has this in stock in the US for overnight delivery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AriciU View Post
    I think significantly lower temps have been reported for the 4850 with a remount and reapplication of some good thermal compound. I think it would be the case for the 4870 too but still... you won't get near the temps provided by aftermarket cooling.
    well once you can turn that 12watt fan to 80-90% + remount you might get close to after market, but im gonna get me 2 of those sexy thermalright t-rad's ASAP (not released yet)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOE View Post
    RV770 totally wipes the ground with the 280, when you keep die size in mind. I understand why AMD is holding the dual RV770 card back - CF is not working in most of the games. And when they fix it and launch the 4870x2 they will easily take the performance crown by a huge margin, nvidia can forget sticking 2x chips on a single card until they go down to 45nm.


    damn, all those amd doomsayers must be choking right now
    Actually last I checked 2x GTX280 in SLI pretty much owns 2x 4870 in crossfire and will own 4870x2, so where do you get:

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    And when they fix it and launch the 4870x2 they will easily take the performance crown by a huge margin

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    4870x2 might be 2 GPU's. but it still one card so comparing it 2 discrete cards in SLI doesn't make any sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    Actually last I checked 2x GTX280 in SLI pretty much owns 2x 4870 in crossfire and will own 4870x2
    Will 2x GTX280 own 2x 4870x2?









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    I don't know either, I was just wondering.

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    He gets off saying that due to the fact a 4870x2 should consistently match or beat the GTX 280 but at a lower price point. We are talking single PCB here, not multi gpu. Sure 3 GTX 280s are the fastest high end out currently but at close to $2100 its not exactly anything to cheer about. If they manage to get 4870x2s to scale well in crossfire they may even take out tri SLI 280s, again at a lower price.
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    Here is ours, erally complete and compared to HD4850,GTX 260 and 9800GTX
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    Quote Originally Posted by zerazax View Post
    4870x2 might be 2 GPU's. but it still one card so comparing it 2 discrete cards in SLI doesn't make any sense
    Wrong, it's two GPUs on one board, or crossfire for people without crossfire motherboards (the mainstream). A 4870x2 should be _very_ close to two 4870's or the engineers made some big mistakes.

    You really need to look at how each GPU is performing here, not how each board is performing, because scaling is the important thing with multiple boards/chips/etc, not "but it's one PCB ZOMG itz bettar than teh other brandz0rs cardz."

    Personally for a single slot solution the 4870x2 looks like it's exactly what I want, awesome price, and if they get their crossfire in order awesome performance for my money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solus Corvus View Post
    Will 2x GTX280 own 2x 4870x2?









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    I don't know either, I was just wondering.
    I would guess 3x GTX280 will defeat 2x 4870x2. But you guys are comparing a card that is 2-3 months away to a card that is out today.

    We don't know if AMD will have to reduce the clocks alot for 4870x2 because of the incredible heat and power consumption. We don't know if in 3 months Nvidia will have gone to 55nm and 750Mhz stock frequency, we don't know if in 3 months GTX280gx2 may be coming soon.

    You are giving ATI this huge advantage in the assumptions you are making but NOT giving the benefit of those same assumptions to NVidia.

    For the record I may be biased because I just ordered another GTX280 tonight to go SLI.

    However, when I look at the scores of what is available today 2x GTX280 SLI blows away anything else that is out there.

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    Heres another review from Tweaktown

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    It does, and if you have the money for it, it is well worth it. But for a lot of people, getting 80-90% of the performance for 1/2 the cost is a no-brainer for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    I would guess 3x GTX280 will defeat 2x 4870x2. But you guys are comparing a card that is 2-3 months away to a card that is out today.
    Where are you pulling this BS 2-3 months?
    2 months max and more like ~4 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    I would guess 3x GTX280 will defeat 2x 4870x2. But you guys are comparing a card that is 2-3 months away to a card that is out today.

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    You are giving ATI this huge advantage in the assumptions you are making but NOT giving the benefit of those same assumptions to NVidia.
    No, I'm not making any assumptions. The fact is that I can't afford a $600 card today, but I can afford a $300 card and have enough left over for a water block. And I play Quake Wars at 1920x1200. Hmm, which card should I get?

    In 2-3 months, I probably will have enough money to blow thousands on graphics cards. What should I get then? I don't know, maybe you can speculate for me.

    But speaking about assumptions, what if we assume that the person buying crossfire or SLI plays Bioshock or CoD4 a lot? Wouldn't it be wise for them to get 2x4870s since they beat 2xGTX280s in those games? Or are assumptions only good when they agree with your particular usage scenario?

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    You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

    4870 > GTX280 on average

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    4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

    You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

    You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

    I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

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    Just ordered one now. I've never actually owned an ATI card in my computering life (yeah, I had a rubbish FX card when ATI was the only logical choice 'cause I was poor and someone gave me it v.v), so I look forward to this!

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    I think the X2 will actually be faster than 2x4870's in Xfire, mainly because if ATI's new "hub" is what I think it is and the xfire side port built into the gpu core is what I think it is then the x2 should scale extremely well, infact I wouldnt be shocked if the x2 actually behaved like 1 large gpu rather than 2, also looks like shared memory could be on the cards which again is another huge bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee
    You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:
    Nobody will show you that because nobody is arguing that a GTX280 isn't the fastest card at the moment. But since you care about performance only, does that mean that you will sell your 280s and get 2x 4870x2 if they are faster?

    Living within your means is hilarious?
    If that's so, I developed something the other day that should have you rolling. I think I will call it....a budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

    4870 > GTX280 on average

    or

    4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

    You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

    You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

    I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

    Show me the FPS.
    Agree, if you have the money and want better performance go for it. I would if I had the cash

    Personally I will get the 4870 now, it's just within my budget and I need a new card for cod5 when it finally arrives

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceevee View Post
    You guys are hilarious. I care about performance only. Show me a battery of tests (10+ tests) that show that either:

    4870 > GTX280 on average

    or

    4870CF > GTX280SLI on average

    You won't because there aren't any. You may be able to point to one or two red herrings where that is the case. However if you average the results across many many games GTX280 still owns 4870 and SLI scales better across more games than CF currently does.

    You guys remind me of the HD DVD fanboys who said HD DVD was better because it was cheaper. (we all know how that eventually turned out )

    I don't care if you think AMD is more "efficient". Power consumption and heat say otherwise anyway.

    Show me the FPS.
    IDK if you're clearly biased or such a huge Nvidia fanboy or an uber rich dude who only care about performance and demand the best but your statements don't make any sense at all. First you compare the GTX 280 which is a high end video card to a performance HD4870 then you start making assumption about Nvidia next card like the GTX280GX2 (I got one for you right below, maybe you're the only one who can afford that) and blah blah blah
    Pls keep in mind that not everybody here have the money to spend like you, yeh sure you can get 2xGTX 280 and pwns the HD4870 in CF but considering the GTX 280 is about 13% faster than the HD4870 but with more than twice the price, is it really worth it?

    Dunno if it's legit or not but it seems 2xHD4870X2 can beat GTX 280 in Tri-SLI.
    http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3605

    And here's your GTX280GX2:
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