ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

**CryptiK** · 02-10-2009, 08:14 PM

P45's and DDR3 don't seem to produce very good results, so this board should definitely be better than your P5Q3. If you are going to stay around 3.6GHz - 4.0GHz, this board should be fine for you. However if you want to clock higher go grab the UD3P, that clocks quads like nothing else.

Some people got good samples of the M2F, so you might be lucky, others have got average boards and some were just hopeless, warped etc. Radaja went through 5 boards until he got one that was up to standard regarding build quality. Asus really messed up the quality control on the Max 2 Formula.

**bito** · 02-11-2009, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by 529th

I bought this board MIIF in hopes for a new home for my Q9650. Reading this thread sorta depresses me. I've not pushed my Q9650 beyond 3.6Ghz on this board but I do know its better than my old Asus P5Q3 Del which required 1.345vcore to hit 4ghz; with this it comes across at 3.6Ghz with 1.20v which at the same speed required 1.2500+v on the P5Q3 (running 1901 bios too btw)

Don't be too down beat with your purchase.....i'm running my Q9650 at 4.275Ghz on this 'board, with 1.328v under load, so its not all bad. Higher FSB may be possible on the UD3 series Gigabyte's (and i may yet test drive one) but this is a solid, if not outstanding, offering.

**529th** · 02-11-2009, 03:09 AM

I'm not even sure what revision board I have... although I do know that I have this on custom H20 with some help from an Anandtech member that I am hoping to reach 500fsb with 2 Gskill 1000 2x2 kits (F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ) = not even sure which IC's are on those either. But I appreciate E.V.O. for posting in the Asus vip forums about the things that need be changed...

Which Rampage board is Grnfinger talking about? And what about the UD3P series?

**CryptiK** · 02-11-2009, 04:52 AM

Well the rampage extreme (X48, DDR3) is obviously way better than this board, but Grnfinger was referring to the rampage formula (X48, DDR2).

**Celcius** · 02-11-2009, 06:36 AM

<<+1 for the people that like their board

Just a question, what voltage are you guys giving the northbridge to run 450fsb 24/7? Also, are you running the vtt at that same voltage?

**seba84_2005** · 02-11-2009, 08:17 AM

Hey

I have the small problem. I can not get stability on mine Q9550 E0

My settings:

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 480
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1152MHz

DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Advance 300ps
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Advance 300ps
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): Auto
Write to Read Delay (S): Auto
Write to Read Delay (D): Auto
Read to Read Delay (S): Auto
Read to Read Delay (D): Auto
Write to Write Delay (S): Auto
Write to Write Delay (D): Auto

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: Auto
Read to PRE Delay: Auto
PRE to PRE Delay: Auto
All PRE to ACT Delay: Auto
All PRE to REF Delay: Auto
DRAM Static Read Control: Auto
DRAM Read Training: Auto
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 10
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.3500
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.55
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.338
DRAM Voltage: 2.19
North Bridge Voltage: 1.4
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.51
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.11

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): Auto
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration

Ratio CMOS Setting: 8.5
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

What I have adjust CPU GTL voltage ? I try set up: -40mv 1/3 and -45mv 1/3
but this did not give anything

**jason4207** · 02-11-2009, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by seba84_2005

Hey

I have the small problem. I can not get stability on mine Q9550 E0

My settings:

...

What I have adjust CPU GTL voltage ? I try set up: -40mv 1/3 and -45mv 1/3
but this did not give anything

Try Simps guide a few pages back. If you have only tried 2 GTL combos you have barely scratched the surface. I've been testing for about 3 weeks now, and have tried at least 150 different combinations on just the CPU GTL's alone.

I'm pretty sure I have 485 locked down (over 12hrs large-fft before 1 core fails), but I'm working on going higher now...it's tedious to say the least.

Try playing w/ NB GTL. It helped me immensely.

**Tergon** · 02-11-2009, 12:03 PM

Bito, could you please post the BIOS settings you are using to get that Overclock?

Originally Posted by bito

Don't be too down beat with your purchase.....i'm running my Q9650 at 4.275Ghz on this 'board, with 1.328v under load, so its not all bad. Higher FSB may be possible on the UD3 series Gigabyte's (and i may yet test drive one) but this is a solid, if not outstanding, offering.

**CryptiK** · 02-11-2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Celcius

<<+1 for the people that like their board

Just a question, what voltage are you guys giving the northbridge to run 450fsb 24/7? Also, are you running the vtt at that same voltage?

Depends on divider and tRD, but around 1.25v for 450 FSB/DDR2-1200 PL8. Need around 1.30 vNB for PL7. I run Vtt @ 1.25v regardless of anything else.

**bito** · 02-11-2009, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tergon

Bito, could you please post the BIOS settings you are using to get that Overclock?

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1141MHz

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.3250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.57
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.10
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

**Tergon** · 02-11-2009, 03:51 PM

Thanks I will give it a try later tonight and let you know how it goes, I have been unable to get stable above 4050MHz and 450 FSB. Thanks again

Originally Posted by bito

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1141MHz

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.3250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.57
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.10
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

**Tergon** · 02-11-2009, 03:54 PM

If you could post your FPO/Batch number as well, thanks?

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 475
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1141MHz

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

PCIE Frequency: 101

CPU Voltage: 1.3250
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.57
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 2.10
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40mv
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled[/QUOTE]

**Celcius** · 02-11-2009, 04:06 PM

@bito: Is that on water? Also, do you remember how much vcore you needed for 4Ghz?

**529th** · 02-11-2009, 07:07 PM

So, i've finally tried finding the max my components will go.
custom H20 btw

Q9650 - FPO/Batch# L820B033
MIIF
DDR2 1000 2* 2x2 kit
Enermax Revolution 950

tries:
1 I've ran memtest86+ 2.11 1 pass at 500fsb 7 multi and it passed but would not boot
2 Leaving everything on auto except the fsb to 450 boots fine passes both small and large FFT's in prime 95, IBT running ATI tool (Scanning for artifacts) - vcore read 1.344 ~ 1.352
I've heard small FFTs are for CPU stability and large are more for subsystem & RAM testing more than cpu testings - is that correct?

I'm not sure about how to set my bios for 4.5Ghz - I've actually ordered another Q9650 thinking it maybe the weak link

Can I get a few suggestions from the experienced people here? Thanks

**bito** · 02-11-2009, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Celcius

@bito: Is that on water? Also, do you remember how much vcore you needed for 4Ghz?

It is indeed on water....4.0Ghz requires 1.232v........

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...91#post3403091

Batch/FPO: L822B344
Here's a 3dmark06 run with a GTX260 (216SP) :- 21563

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9977212

**ViViD** · 02-12-2009, 12:46 AM

Maybe For 500 FSB On Quad I Need WaterCooling Both CPU & NB???

**pphx459** · 02-12-2009, 12:49 AM

Nice Bito, you have one of those magical 1.225 vid chips

Well, after tinkering with a ton of settings here's where I'm at prime 95 blend 17 hours stable, IBT stable

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Frequency: 456
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
DRAM Frequency: 1095 DDR2-MHz
Performance Level: 8
Clock Twister: Strong

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 3
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 55 DRAM Clocks
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 3

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.3685 (1.376 actual)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.3125
DRAM Voltage: 2.10
North Bridge Voltage: 1.45
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40mv
CPU GTL Reference (2): Auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40mv
NB GTL Reference: -20
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

Will try to lower NB volts now and attempt to lower the TRD.

**ViViD** · 02-12-2009, 03:42 AM

Hi

Could Any1 Give Me Bios Setting For E4600(C2D 65nm) For Find Max FSB In 6X Ration CMOS Multiplier
About Voltage,GTL Anything For Find Max FSB
I Use Water Cooling On CPU But Stock Cooling For NB & Other
I Realy Need It
Tanx

**CryptiK** · 02-12-2009, 06:55 AM

Couple of benches with the 285.

3D Mark 03: 4.4 GHz/ DDR2-1222 / PL8, 285 @ 756/1656/1458

Aquamark: 4.5 GHz/ DDR2-1250 / PL8, 285 @ 756/1656/1507

3D Mark 01: 4.4 GHz/ DDR2-1222 / PL8, 285 @ 756/1656/1458

Grnfinger - you can see the individual game test fps in this one

**seba84_2005** · 02-12-2009, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by jason4207

Try Simps guide a few pages back. If you have only tried 2 GTL combos you have barely scratched the surface. I've been testing for about 3 weeks now, and have tried at least 150 different combinations on just the CPU GTL's alone.

I'm pretty sure I have 485 locked down (over 12hrs large-fft before 1 core fails), but I'm working on going higher now...it's tedious to say the least.

Try playing w/ NB GTL. It helped me immensely.

My best stable GTL = +20mv all ref CPU and +60mv to NB

**Tergon** · 02-12-2009, 08:54 AM

Thanks for the reply, your config just didn't seem to work for me, I am on Air only with a lapped TRUE. Try 470 and 460, these both booted into windows but were unstable to say the least. Looks like 4050 will be it for me. I have an "A" revision chip and this might be why. Batch/FPO: L828A446.

Originally Posted by bito

It is indeed on water....4.0Ghz requires 1.232v........

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...91#post3403091

Batch/FPO: L822B344
Here's a 3dmark06 run with a GTX260 (216SP) :- 21563

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9977212

**jason4207** · 02-12-2009, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by 529th

So, i've finally tried finding the max my components will go.
custom H20 btw

Q9650 - FPO/Batch# L820B033
MIIF
DDR2 1000 2* 2x2 kit
Enermax Revolution 950

tries:
1 I've ran memtest86+ 2.11 1 pass at 500fsb 7 multi and it passed but would not boot
2 Leaving everything on auto except the fsb to 450 boots fine passes both small and large FFT's in prime 95, IBT running ATI tool (Scanning for artifacts) - vcore read 1.344 ~ 1.352
I've heard small FFTs are for CPU stability and large are more for subsystem & RAM testing more than cpu testings - is that correct?

I'm not sure about how to set my bios for 4.5Ghz - I've actually ordered another Q9650 thinking it maybe the weak link

Can I get a few suggestions from the experienced people here? Thanks

You aren't going to get far at all w/ everything on auto. Go back a few pages and look for a guide by Simps. It should help you get started.

450 is easy. 470-480 stable will take a little bit of work, but shouldn't be too much of a problem. 480+ is going to take a lot more effort to get completely stable if its even possible w/ one's particular hardware.

Your new chip might be easier to OC or more difficult. Each is different.

**Tergon** · 02-12-2009, 10:02 AM

So does anybody think that Asus will update firmware to enable some SLI love on this board, with Nvidia's new annoucements any thoughts?

**~~Grnfinger~~** · 02-12-2009, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by CryptiK

Couple of benches with the 285.

3D Mark 01: 4.4 GHz/ DDR2-1222 / PL8, 285 @ 756/1656/1458

Grnfinger - you can see the individual game test fps in this one

VERY NICE!

I'll never get the 4870X2 ram up that high but I should be able to get the cores to 825MHz, I'll run some comparisons once the block arrives, hope to have it this weekend, its finally in the mail!

**jason4207** · 02-12-2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tergon

So does anybody think that Asus will update firmware to enable some SLI love on this board, with Nvidia's new annoucements any thoughts?

Do you have a link? That would be awesome!

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