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    Stop teasing us with ya mad rams ! but really Everest shows awesome bandwith etc but this is hardly reflected in eg Superpi32... I take everest with a BIG grain of salt !
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    Hehe sorry about that!

    Yes Everest is just synthetic, it's nice for a quick demo but I also prefer something real like 32M to show performance. In my experience the M2F just can't pass SPI32M over 534 FSB / 640 MHz PL8. I have a feeling the MCH is at it's limit around there.
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    I'm fighting the P45 UD3P at the moment mate, stuck there at 570FSB Hyperpi 32Mb stable, 575 always gives me one error after each pass, tried zillions of combinations (volts, GTL's, PL's, timings,... ), other rams etc... think it's the limit of my board's chipset... it has to end somewhere lol
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    Yeah its tricky sometimes to make it pass, I assume that's on 1:1? I can get 550 FSB 1:1 PL 10 to pass but over that it falls part rapidly, same on my P5Q-Deluxe. Skews really helped me with stability, delay 150ps on each channel was the optimal setting at 534 - 542 FSB & 640 - 651 MHz ram with PL 8.
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    Ok, so Quad cores and the MIIF board don't mix. What CPU are you using to achieve these high FSB's??? 8600??? I figure if I'm going to keep this board I might as well, get a CPU that I can have fun with. 480fsb with a quad is nice but 600+++ would be like heaven!

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    Simonix is usiing an 8600 see his valid link: Here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grnfinger View Post
    Phase Pull-Ins on the X38 Maximus lowerd PL one level and would increase bandwidth buy a noticable amount
    looks to me Asus is trying to avoid the issue altogether. This unfortunately will be my last Asus product for along time
    Can't you just lower the PL on MIIF directly? I would assume that having the options separate would be more advantageous.

    Or is it that the Phase Pull-Ins on the X38 allowed you to run a lower PL that would not run otherwise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 529th View Post
    Ok, so Quad cores and the MIIF board don't mix. What CPU are you using to achieve these high FSB's??? 8600??? I figure if I'm going to keep this board I might as well, get a CPU that I can have fun with. 480fsb with a quad is nice but 600+++ would be like heaven!
    The MIIF does fine w/ quads, and for 24/7 you aren't going to get much higher clocks from a dual than a quad (4.2-4.4GHz vs 4.0-4.2GHz). So, ~200Mhz higher w/ the duals, but half the cores.

    If you're just talking about benching then yes, the duals can be a lot more fun. You can get near the same results w/ an E8400 E0 as you can w/ the E8600, though, unless you get some extreme cooling. The E8400 has a 9x multi, and if you can get 600FSB then that puts you at 5.4GHz. You're well into extreme cooling at that speed, and the extra multi wouldn't be any good for anything else.

    The main thing you want to do if you're shopping for a good dual to play w/ is to try and get a really good batch from somebody. A used chip that is a proven good OCer, or perhaps go to a store that lets you sift through the boxes to find a good batch. It doesn't matter if it's an E0 E8400, E8500, or E8600 as long as you get a really good batch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jason4207 View Post
    The MIIF does fine w/ quads, and for 24/7 you aren't going to get much higher clocks from a dual than a quad (4.2-4.4GHz vs 4.0-4.2GHz). So, ~200Mhz higher w/ the duals, but half the cores.

    If you're just talking about benching then yes, the duals can be a lot more fun. You can get near the same results w/ an E8400 E0 as you can w/ the E8600, though, unless you get some extreme cooling. The E8400 has a 9x multi, and if you can get 600FSB then that puts you at 5.4GHz. You're well into extreme cooling at that speed, and the extra multi wouldn't be any good for anything else.

    The main thing you want to do if you're shopping for a good dual to play w/ is to try and get a really good batch from somebody. A used chip that is a proven good OCer, or perhaps go to a store that lets you sift through the boxes to find a good batch. It doesn't matter if it's an E0 E8400, E8500, or E8600 as long as you get a really good batch.
    The board is under a EK Supreme, 320, 355, 1/2id... will water be enough for 5.4Ghz 24/7 stable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason4207 View Post
    Can't you just lower the PL on MIIF directly? I would assume that having the options separate would be more advantageous.

    Or is it that the Phase Pull-Ins on the X38 allowed you to run a lower PL that would not run otherwise?
    Correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by 529th View Post
    The board is under a EK Supreme, 320, 355, 1/2id... will water be enough for 5.4Ghz 24/7 stable?
    I think you'll need DI or LN2 for that speed, and it wouldn't be 24/7 in any case. All these high FSB speeds you're seeing are not 24/7 stable. I haven't done a lot of duallie super-high FSB 24/7 testing, but I'd say 533 would be getting near the limit for 24/7 stability. Maybe 550-575 if you're lucky. But then you can't run anything but a 1:1 divider, and have to settle for a looser PL.

    9x500 w/ 5:6 divider and PL=8 Stronger is a good goal to reach for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grnfinger View Post
    Correct
    Gotcha. Makes a lot more sense now.

    Someone mentioned how the PL levels on the P45 were 1 number higher for the same value on P35/X38/X48. So, PL=7 on X38 is the same as PL=8 on P45. That being said, I was able to hit PL=6 at similar RAM speeds on my P35 P5K-Premium, and have to use PL=8 on my MIIF. Didn't need pull-ins to do it, but the 90nm chipset boards definitely had an advantage w/ bandwidth.
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    guys i need to change dissipation system on my M2F..ni got really nice results but NB temp are too high..i could even go on in OC if i reduce my temps..

    what aftermarket cooler could i use for SB and NB ?

    noctua NC U6 fit into NB without hurts ram slots ? no problem for Sb i think, even blue ice cooler is sufficient for SB.

    i have even seen extreme sprit 2 by thermaltake that is smaller but i don't know if it's able to dissipate well.. i want to replace all pipes on my board ..i'm 55 C on NB in idle
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    Quote Originally Posted by edo View Post
    guys i need to change dissipation system on my M2F..ni got really nice results but NB temp are too high..i could even go on in OC if i reduce my temps..

    what aftermarket cooler could i use for SB and NB ?

    noctua NC U6 fit into NB without hurts ram slots ? no problem for Sb i think, even blue ice cooler is sufficient for SB.

    i have even seen extreme sprit 2 by thermaltake that is smaller but i don't know if it's able to dissipate well.. i want to replace all pipes on my board ..i'm 55 C on NB in idle
    Exteme spirit works well and is a cost effective soloution alittle noisey tho if you dont run it on a fan controller.
    Vantec icberq copper cooler works very well with slight mod to mounting holes and looks nice
    Cannot comment on the noctua, but I do recall someone posting that it works but not sure if it was this board or not..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason4207 View Post
    I think you'll need DI or LN2 for that speed, and it wouldn't be 24/7 in any case. All these high FSB speeds you're seeing are not 24/7 stable. I haven't done a lot of duallie super-high FSB 24/7 testing, but I'd say 533 would be getting near the limit for 24/7 stability. Maybe 550-575 if you're lucky. But then you can't run anything but a 1:1 divider, and have to settle for a looser PL.

    9x500 w/ 5:6 divider and PL=8 Stronger is a good goal to reach for.
    So, I've been running stability tests on my MIIF, Q9650, & DDR2 1000 - I was having trouble completing SuperPI and HyperPI but it was stable for 12hrs blend on Prime95 @ 480fsb ... I thought it was ok. I recently tried IBT & it failed. I reset my bios and all settings go default and it still fails IBT I am currently running HCI memtest to recheck ram. I was running 1.43v on the core to run the 480fsb (8.5multi) - could the CPU be failing or the mobo?

    EDIT: How about an E8600 for this board? I've decided to run my other quad with my UD3R board. What fsb could I expect with an E8600 in a 24/7 scenario? Also heard there is an E8700 coming out, any idea when or is it bs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 529th View Post
    So, I've been running stability tests on my MIIF, Q9650, & DDR2 1000 - I was having trouble completing SuperPI and HyperPI but it was stable for 12hrs blend on Prime95 @ 480fsb ... I thought it was ok. I recently tried IBT & it failed. I reset my bios and all settings go default and it still fails IBT I am currently running HCI memtest to recheck ram. I was running 1.43v on the core to run the 480fsb (8.5multi) - could the CPU be failing or the mobo?

    EDIT: How about an E8600 for this board? I've decided to run my other quad with my UD3R board. What fsb could I expect with an E8600 in a 24/7 scenario? Also heard there is an E8700 coming out, any idea when or is it bs?
    8700 is due out soon I think..

    To switch from a quad to a dualie I think you will regret it.
    I have a 8400 on my second MIIF and its a dog compared to the 4.2GHz Q9650.

    480fsb is very doable on this board, It took me 20 mins maybe to dial in my 4.2GHz settings, all my chips will do 500FSB on this board.
    I would recheck your settings

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    That all seems to be working except for my memory sub timings are on auto and I have to use PL 10 with the DDR2 1000 I am running 1:1 btw

    I am testing currently using Prime95 blend, then I'm going to test with IBT - I've never seen what you have for results with your IBT screenie, what did you do? btw, my system will not pass the "max stress" test under IBT

    EDIT: ah poop, failed both Prime blend & OCCT - upping vcore to 1.38 vtt to 1.37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grnfinger View Post
    8700 is due out soon I think..
    Eh, the E8600 will not be the highest clocking Wolfdale ever binned?

    heard the E8600 was the last

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    Quote Originally Posted by dctokyo View Post
    Eh, the E8600 will not be the highest clocking Wolfdale ever binned?

    heard the E8600 was the last
    When they read this Intel sees $$$

    So hence the 8700

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    8700? i know that Fugger has told that isn't confirmed ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grnfinger View Post
    Exteme spirit works well and is a cost effective soloution alittle noisey tho if you dont run it on a fan controller.
    Vantec icberq copper cooler works very well with slight mod to mounting holes and looks nice
    Cannot comment on the noctua, but I do recall someone posting that it works but not sure if it was this board or not..
    thank you for reply, i probably go for extreme spitir so it's compatible without mods..i think oi can set 60% of speed from bios if it will be noisy, it's active dissipation so it's sufficent i'll post the mod as soon as i do the shop near home sells extreme spirit so it's easyer than ever
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    Quote Originally Posted by dctokyo View Post
    Eh, the E8600 will not be the highest clocking Wolfdale ever binned?

    heard the E8600 was the last
    Shops in Europe are taking orders for E8700 now.
    As far as I know there going to be released as Intel has not stated when 775 will be EOL
    i7 is still in its infancy and i5 has not seen retail yet, so I cant see Intel dropping 775 yet.


    Quote Originally Posted by 529th View Post
    That all seems to be working except for my memory sub timings are on auto and I have to use PL 10 with the DDR2 1000 I am running 1:1 btw

    I am testing currently using Prime95 blend, then I'm going to test with IBT - I've never seen what you have for results with your IBT screenie, what did you do? btw, my system will not pass the "max stress" test under IBT

    EDIT: ah poop, failed both Prime blend & OCCT - upping vcore to 1.38 vtt to 1.37
    select no to "turn on error dection" and you will get the same output

    What test are you failing in Prime?

    Quote Originally Posted by edo View Post
    thank you for reply, i probably go for extreme spitir so it's compatible without mods..i think oi can set 60% of speed from bios if it will be noisy, it's active dissipation so it's sufficent i'll post the mod as soon as i do the shop near home sells extreme spirit so it's easyer than ever
    Please post back with your results
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    Quote Originally Posted by dctokyo View Post
    Eh, the E8600 will not be the highest clocking Wolfdale ever binned?

    heard the E8600 was the last
    That's old news m8.

    The I7 is not selling as well as they would like and I5 is belated and the World Wide Recession does not help.

    Even before this they said I7 would not be mainstream even for high end segment till late 2009/early 2010.

    There is a E8700 due and their is a few new socket 775 Mobos with DDR2 1333mhz support out/due out soon.

    I also say there will be a new 45nm Quad out faster than the Q6950 but that's IMO.

    I did foresee the new "S Model" 65watt 45nm Quads.

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