http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/0...rs-server.html
http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_155...l?redir=45nm01
No mention of speeds, but suffice it to say they have operational 45nm CPUs.
http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/0...rs-server.html
http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_155...l?redir=45nm01
No mention of speeds, but suffice it to say they have operational 45nm CPUs.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
I clicked the amd link and wanted to read the q&a on 45nm but got a 404, same for the press release link.
The links works perfect for me.Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian
Edit: I take that back. Not working for the Q&A.
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As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
It's up now, they must be reading XSThe links works perfect for me.
Edit: I take that back. Not working for the Q&A.
Pics look nice, q&a dissapointing though as no performance indications can be found. Or did I look in the wrong place?
404 -- processor not found!I clicked the amd link and wanted to read the q&a on 45nm but got a 404, same for the press release link.
So these are first pictures of Shanghai:
That big yellow surface would be 6MB L3...
Comparison with Barcelona:
Last edited by Nedjo; 03-04-2008 at 08:11 AM.
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Is it just me, or do these chips look like they have more cache than the Phenoms? I'd love to see the L3 operating at full chip speed as well.So these are first pictures of Shanghai:
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
So other than a process shrink positive stuff, what new features can we expect from it?
The L3 array is in the NB clock domain, so I don't expect to be in sync with the cores in this 45nm spin off. And above this, K10 has to maintain a specific (async) clock rate for the NB so to avoid weird DDR2 speeds, as it was the case in K8 architecture.
Damn. I'd take the weird DDR2 clock speeds just to have the L3 run at full core speed. I believe the trade off would be worth it.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
Then it might as well be L2 cache, the whole point of cache hierarchies is that the lower levels of cache can be slower and therefore have higher capacities without jacking up the cost.
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DDR2 clocks speed isn't reason for async speed of L3 in comparison to the cores.
As you aware K10 can independently clock all four cores, but since they must continue to communicate despite different clocks, clock of L3 must stay unchanged…
It would be excellent if L3 would run in sync with cores, but 'cos of thermal budget you must make tradeoff there, and it's proven that gain from core clocking is always bigger then from L3 clocking.
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Doesn't look like they have everything working quite yet.• Ultra-low-k Dielectrics. In some later 45nm products, AMD plans on using ultralow-k dielectrics to reduce wire delays by as much as 15 percent and enable greater overall processor performance.
• High-k/metal Gates. As part of AMD’s Continuous Transistor Improvement (CTI) approach, AMD has the option to introduce high-k/metal gates into 45nm production to further enhance transistor performance. The “gate first” approach, developed with IBM, is designed to provide a simpler, less time consuming way to migrate to high-k metal gate technology and secure benefits that include improved performance and reduced power consumption.
Edit, but I must say, the chips do look a little more gracefully put together then barcy, and the extra cache could be very cool.
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lol...
AMD Q&A PDFA common misconception is that being first to a new process technology generation is
the fundamental determinant of performance and energy efficiency leadership. AMD has
proven this to be false.
Rather than the more costly and higher-risk method of making a full technology
transition every two years, AMD uses a unique and highly efficient method called
Continuous Technology Improvement (CTI).
CTI allows us to maximize the benefits and increase the return on investment of a single
process technology generation for as long as possible by evolving and improving the
transistor designs within that generation. This is why at many points in our history our
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Well if you don't factor in any overclocking at all, the statement is probably true.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
...so it means end of the summer we will see some power point presentation without any real benches,then late winter next year(maybe next CeBit!?) a "running" PC with the new cpu inside will be secretly demoed in a dark room under full nda ofcourse and nobody will be allowed closer than 5steps from it
great stuff,im really excited,promise i wont be buying any Intel Quads runnin 4GHZ at 1.35v in the meantime.All Hail AMD
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If you want to troll about Intel do it somewhere else not here. You're the first, I'm also bad for responding to it but keep the thread on topic please...so it means end of the summer we will see some power point presentation without any real benches
great stuff,im really excited,promise i wont be buying any Intel Quads runnin 4GHZ at 1.35v in the meantime.All Hail AMD
...so it means end of the summer we will see some power point presentation without any real benches
great stuff,im really excited,promise i wont be buying any Intel Quads runnin 4GHZ at 1.35v in the meantime.All Hail AMD
Don't turn this into a bashing thread. Everyone here and their grandmother knows about AMD's previous problems. Let's hope they can go forward with good success so we can all benefit from better prices and performance.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
This is exciting. Deep down a small part of me wants to play with a Phenom and K10.5 might give me the option to do it without the performance part of me disowning the rest of me.
It is a very good thing my name isn't in a darker color or you'd have a temporary vacation. Rawr...so it means end of the summer we will see some power point presentation without any real benches
LOL, thats kind of how i feel after getting this phenom rig, but if 45nm is really as good as they say it is then i guess it was worth it.
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Architecure > clockspeeds?
K8 vs netburst?
True, both off them but they do not have any bearing on that snip. Snip is about an excuse on how they can not keep up with intel's design teams and fabrication plants simply because their r&d is way way to low which they offcourse don't want to admit to so they want you to believe it's intentional.
Where is the demo? All I see here is a press release and some die photos.
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