Refrigerator unit for liquid cooling systems!

[polar bear]

Check this out:



Fount it here: http://www.aquatuning.de/product_inf...leistung-.html. It's an external (obviously) cooling unit that can handle up to 790W!

A quick estimate of power output by some common components:
QX9650 @ 4.0GHz/1.4V: 217W
8800GTX 3-SLI: 3x170W=510W
MB: 3*20W (NB, SB, mosfets): 60W
Total: 787W

So what about one of these to cool your system? It also comes in two smaller versions, rated to cool 265 and 395W respectively. Power consumption of the biggest unit is 375W.

Some other specs (google translate from german beware!):

"The smallest unit of the series, the Ultra 300 produced just 20 dB and is quieter than a household refrigerator"

"There are temperatures of up to 4 ° C is possible"

"Alternatively, can the Chiller at a value just below ambient temperature to the problem of condensation is to be avoided"

"Due to the low water temperatures are unprecedented opportunities for overclocking"

"We recommend the Chiller as an additional source in a refrigeration system in addition to an existing radiator"

"Recommended water run: 1200-3000l / h"

Oh, yeah and price listed on this site is €400=$608

[Xilikon]

Try the Chilled water forum, not here

[polar bear]

Try the Chilled water forum, not here

Sorry, was quick to post when I saw this unit, got excited!

[evil-98]

someone is using that exact unit over there too

[Xilikon]

someone is using that exact unit over there too

camouflage ? I just saw his worklog and it use the same unit.

[Polizei]

How does one move 790w of heat while only drawing 375w from the wall? Shens?

[zLynk]

How does one move 790w of heat while only drawing 375w from the wall? Shens?

How can a triple-fan ThermoChill dissapate ~500W of heat with roughly 20W going to fans? The 375W specification on that chiller will be to run the compressor. If the chiller drew 800W, yet could only dissapate 790W of radiated heat, the darned thing would overheat itself!

[NaeKuh]

How can a triple-fan ThermoChill dissapate ~500W of heat with roughly 20W going to fans? The 375W specification on that chiller will be to run the compressor. If the chiller drew 800W, yet could only dissapate 790W of radiated heat, the darned thing would overheat itself!

Dude... you need to rethink what you just said.

The guy is correct. There is no way a something that consumes 375W can disapate 790W of heat. If that was the case, then you would have created energy. Using 375W to burn off 790W of heat.

Were also talking about compressors here. Compressors superchill a liquid to below freezing. This liquid is then transfered to a heat exchanger where the liquid is cooled. If you look at REAL chillers, you'll see that this is a TOY.

This reminds me of a Salt water tank chiller. These units ARE VERY BAD in the computer world. Why? because when you have over 1.5gl/m flow, it takes roughly 350W of heat to raise or lower the water temp by 1C.

Now how these units work in salt water tanks is this way. Large masss of water, with evap conditions going on, and also adding a chiller, you can bring your tank serveral C's below ambient and actually keep it there for a while.

On a PC system however thats completely changed. There is no evap, and in a sealed loop without a radiator, the water temp has no direction but to climb.

Now if that chiller cant keep up with your heat load, and im sorry, but if you ever seen a real unit that can do 790W, and THERE NOT SMALL, You'll laugh and say nice one.

In short, you'd have to be almost an idiot to pick this unit over a custom builders, and even more stupider to hook it up to a quadcore with tri sli.

[polar bear]

In short, you'd have to be almost an idiot to pick this unit over a custom builders, and even more stupider to hook it up to a quadcore with tri sli.

Ok ok point taken no need to rub it in dude

So it probably IS too good to be true. Well darn. Thanks for the advice though, that's what these forums are for.

[NaeKuh]

Ok ok point taken no need to rub it in dude

So it probably IS too good to be true. Well darn. Thanks for the advice though, that's what these forums are for.

hey... im only here to help you out.

i wasnt directing the comment at you. I was more directing at future comments from trolls an idiots who will say good things about it.

Well there isnt any. We told you in the world of compressors, and TEC's which is sub ambient cooling, there is no way you could move more heat then power required.

As i said if this was the case, AC units wouldnt be power hogs, and could be modified to provide unlimited energy then by pulling heat out of the enviornment.

[zLynk]

edit:

i rechecked the specs.

ummm 400 UK lbs. Which is rougly 600-700 dollars.

...

Wrong. The price is in Euros, which is currently at a record level of (checking xe.com...) 1.517 USD; GBP (British Pounds) are 1.989 USD.

Dude... you need to rethink what you just said.

The guy is correct. There is no way a something that consumes 375W can disapate 790W of heat. If that was the case, then you would have created energy. Using 375W to burn off 790W of heat.

...

... only if there is a requirement to cool below ambient temperatures. The article is likely using a value for total saturation of the heater core. After all, a higher figure looks better on paper, right?

[NaeKuh]

Wrong. The price is in Euros, which is currently at a record level of (checking xe.com...) 1.517 USD; GBP (British Pounds) are 1.989 USD.



... only if there is a requirement to cool below ambient temperatures. The article is likely using a value for total saturation of the heater core. After all, a higher figure looks better on paper, right?

Didnt check recient exchange rates, either way this unit is still too expensive.

uhh... seriously do you know what your talking about? Did you also miss my calculation where i said it would require AT LEAST 5.2gl/m Do you have an IWAKI RD-30? or a little Giant Aquarium pump?

Now lets think about it.

IF this unit uses 375W, it would need some form of compressor or TECs. Do you even know how a phase or TEC unit works? Zlynk, you sound like you know half of what you should know. Your concept is all wrong from your first post to this.

And what medium would you use to keep the unit right near ambient? Also, once again FLOW RATE, how do you intend to keep that?

No this unit uses a significant amount of energy which leads me to think its either compressor or TEC. Unless you can think of another way to cool down.

Now, Lets add some numbers because i think you need see where im getting at.

Q6600 G0 @ 1.45Vcore ~ 180-190W of heat
G80 GTX @ LOAD ~ 180-210W x 3

no... it wont work no matter how hard i think.

[Tortel]

Dude... you need to rethink what you just said.

The guy is correct. There is no way a something that consumes 375W can disapate 790W of heat. If that was the case, then you would have created energy. Using 375W to burn off 790W of heat.

Were also talking about compressors here. Compressors superchill a liquid to below freezing. This liquid is then transfered to a heat exchanger where the liquid is cooled. If you look at REAL chillers, you'll see that this is a TOY.

This reminds me of a Salt water tank chiller. These units ARE VERY BAD in the computer world. Why? because when you have over 1.5gl/m flow, it takes roughly 350W of heat to raise or lower the water temp by 1C.

Now how these units work in salt water tanks is this way. Large masss of water, with evap conditions going on, and also adding a chiller, you can bring your tank serveral C's below ambient and actually keep it there for a while.

On a PC system however thats completely changed. There is no evap, and in a sealed loop without a radiator, the water temp has no direction but to climb.

Now if that chiller cant keep up with your heat load, and im sorry, but if you ever seen a real unit that can do 790W, and THERE NOT SMALL, You'll laugh and say nice one.

In short, you'd have to be almost an idiot to pick this unit over a custom builders, and even more stupider to hook it up to a quadcore with tri sli.

Buy a huge powerful one, and run some pipes though the walls. Central water cooling!

[funkflix]

I use a Laing Ultra and a 1250 in my loop, and believe me, the Laing alone have a better flow in that restrictive system then the Eheim!

Think the best way to go is a dual setup of Laings. I use the chiller in a other room and have to go threw about 10 meters of tube. No problem for my one Laing.

Here is my system prepared for the chiller:



Under the PSU i can add the chillerloop outside of the system, close the tap on the radiator and i will not loose any coolingpower on the radiator. If i wish to use my system portable i can close the two taps under the PSU and open the one on the radiator, the system runs like it ever did with just the triple radiator.

Here is my chiller-area in the other room:

[Polizei]

How can a triple-fan ThermoChill dissapate ~500W of heat with roughly 20W going to fans? The 375W specification on that chiller will be to run the compressor. If the chiller drew 800W, yet could only dissapate 790W of radiated heat, the darned thing would overheat itself!

Find me a single stage phase unit anywhere on any forum that draws less power from the wall than heat it moves.

They move about 250-300w of heat, and draw 500-600 from the wall.

Not to mention, cascades trip 30A breakers @ 120v, which is 3600w, all used to move the same 300w of heat output by a quadcore processor.

[polar bear]

Ah, the possibility of ONE unit to cool the whole system... water temp of 4C... no more triple 3.120 radiators... ...less case modding... all in one circuit... low noise + high overclock combined... QX9650 @ 5.0... *dreaming* ...3x Laing D5 pumps in series

I might just be willing to splurge €400 on a unit like this

on a side note...

Dictionary: splurge (splûrj)

v., splurged, splurg·ing, splurg·es.

v.intr.

1. To indulge in an extravagant expense or luxury.
2. To be showy or ostentatious.

v.tr.
To spend extravagantly or wastefully.

[003]

low noise

Umm... sure you might not need triple rad with powerful fans, but do you think a compressor is quiet? I know my window air conditioner isn't.

How much does the thing cost?

[disruptfam]

how big is this thing? can't tell by the pic

[smee]

how big is this thing? can't tell by the pic

I'm interested too, I may have to save up for one of these things....

[polar bear]

how big is this thing? can't tell by the pic

475x360x490mm (LxBxH)

This unit has made me completely rethink my setup... I'm in chilled liquid-cooling heaven

[NaeKuh]

edit:

i rechecked the specs.

ummm 400 UK lbs. Which is rougly 600-700 dollars.

Umm.. no Nol, Jinu, and almost any other custom builder could probably supply you with a cheaper and better solutions for that kind of cash.

[polar bear]

edit:

i rechecked the specs.

ummm 400 UK lbs. Which is rougly 600-700 dollars.

Umm.. no Nol, Jinu, and almost any other custom builder could probably supply you with a cheaper and better solutions for that kind of cash.

Price listed on german site is 399,99 €, which is not bad, if it really can deliver what it promises. And what if it's originally meant for fish tank cooling? The original pumps used in computer WC setups came from the aquarium business (read: eheim). Not to mention i DO have a 220L fish tank (although it doesnt actually require cooling as I live in northern Europe )

It's an interesting idea. I will spend some time in the chilled water section reading up on the concept though, before I go ahead and splurge...

[NaeKuh]

polar bear, yes i implore you to do some research.

The dumbest thing you can do is buy something without any knowledge on what it is, and how its suposed to work.

Well if your britney spears, thats another story...

But once you grasp how chillers work, you'll seriously laugh. I have a 1/3HP salt water tank inline chiller, and it about 3 time this size on a 90 gallon reef. I took the system down, but i still have the chiller. I wouldnt ever think about dropping it, because

1. the unit is too masive and would look ugly
2. the temp probe can only take coolant down to 55C the lowest, not bad.
3. id need to wear ear muff's to bed because its loud.

Here is what i have:
http://www.desertcoralaquatics.com/a.../prod_956.html

Dimensions: 15.7" x 13.7" x 17.7"


So i ask you guys, think and do some research on things like this b4 you press the gun. Dont ever underestimate the stupidity of a company when its desperate for revenue.


Also you guys see the minimum flow requirements. 1200L/H -3000L/H ~ 20L/M ~ 5.2 gal/M ROFL~! who here even has a system with 1.5g/m+ ?? i know i do, but do you? Let see you pull that off with a MCP655 with 3 ek blocks + 2 chipset + 1 CPU.


As i said, you'd have to be pretty stupid.

[disruptfam]

vodka is my fav alko

[polar bear]

vodka is my fav alko

hey, anyone know the coolant properties of vodka?

(sorry, might have forgotten to take my anti-mania drugs again)