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    Post Refrigerator unit for liquid cooling systems!

    Check this out:



    Fount it here: http://www.aquatuning.de/product_inf...leistung-.html. It's an external (obviously) cooling unit that can handle up to 790W!

    A quick estimate of power output by some common components:
    QX9650 @ 4.0GHz/1.4V: 217W
    8800GTX 3-SLI: 3x170W=510W
    MB: 3*20W (NB, SB, mosfets): 60W
    Total: 787W

    So what about one of these to cool your system? It also comes in two smaller versions, rated to cool 265 and 395W respectively. Power consumption of the biggest unit is 375W.

    Some other specs (google translate from german beware!):

    "The smallest unit of the series, the Ultra 300 produced just 20 dB and is quieter than a household refrigerator"

    "There are temperatures of up to 4 ° C is possible"

    "Alternatively, can the Chiller at a value just below ambient temperature to the problem of condensation is to be avoided"

    "Due to the low water temperatures are unprecedented opportunities for overclocking"

    "We recommend the Chiller as an additional source in a refrigeration system in addition to an existing radiator"

    "Recommended water run: 1200-3000l / h"

    Oh, yeah and price listed on this site is €400=$608

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    Try the Chilled water forum, not here

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    someone is using that exact unit over there too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilikon View Post
    Try the Chilled water forum, not here
    Sorry, was quick to post when I saw this unit, got excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by evil-98 View Post
    someone is using that exact unit over there too
    camouflage ? I just saw his worklog and it use the same unit.

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    How does one move 790w of heat while only drawing 375w from the wall? Shens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polizei View Post
    How does one move 790w of heat while only drawing 375w from the wall? Shens?
    How can a triple-fan ThermoChill dissapate ~500W of heat with roughly 20W going to fans? The 375W specification on that chiller will be to run the compressor. If the chiller drew 800W, yet could only dissapate 790W of radiated heat, the darned thing would overheat itself!

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    Ah, the possibility of ONE unit to cool the whole system... water temp of 4C... no more triple 3.120 radiators... ...less case modding... all in one circuit... low noise + high overclock combined... QX9650 @ 5.0... *dreaming* ...3x Laing D5 pumps in series

    I might just be willing to splurge €400 on a unit like this

    on a side note...

    Dictionary: splurge (splûrj)

    v., splurged, splurg·ing, splurg·es.

    v.intr.
    1. To indulge in an extravagant expense or luxury.
    2. To be showy or ostentatious.


    v.tr.
    To spend extravagantly or wastefully.

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    how big is this thing? can't tell by the pic
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    Quote Originally Posted by disruptfam View Post
    how big is this thing? can't tell by the pic
    I'm interested too, I may have to save up for one of these things....
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    Quote Originally Posted by disruptfam View Post
    how big is this thing? can't tell by the pic
    475x360x490mm (LxBxH)

    This unit has made me completely rethink my setup... I'm in chilled liquid-cooling heaven

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    edit:

    i rechecked the specs.

    ummm 400 UK lbs. Which is rougly 600-700 dollars.

    Umm.. no Nol, Jinu, and almost any other custom builder could probably supply you with a cheaper and better solutions for that kind of cash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zLynk View Post
    How can a triple-fan ThermoChill dissapate ~500W of heat with roughly 20W going to fans? The 375W specification on that chiller will be to run the compressor. If the chiller drew 800W, yet could only dissapate 790W of radiated heat, the darned thing would overheat itself!
    Dude... you need to rethink what you just said.

    The guy is correct. There is no way a something that consumes 375W can disapate 790W of heat. If that was the case, then you would have created energy. Using 375W to burn off 790W of heat.

    Were also talking about compressors here. Compressors superchill a liquid to below freezing. This liquid is then transfered to a heat exchanger where the liquid is cooled. If you look at REAL chillers, you'll see that this is a TOY.

    This reminds me of a Salt water tank chiller. These units ARE VERY BAD in the computer world. Why? because when you have over 1.5gl/m flow, it takes roughly 350W of heat to raise or lower the water temp by 1C.

    Now how these units work in salt water tanks is this way. Large masss of water, with evap conditions going on, and also adding a chiller, you can bring your tank serveral C's below ambient and actually keep it there for a while.

    On a PC system however thats completely changed. There is no evap, and in a sealed loop without a radiator, the water temp has no direction but to climb.

    Now if that chiller cant keep up with your heat load, and im sorry, but if you ever seen a real unit that can do 790W, and THERE NOT SMALL, You'll laugh and say nice one.

    In short, you'd have to be almost an idiot to pick this unit over a custom builders, and even more stupider to hook it up to a quadcore with tri sli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
    edit:

    i rechecked the specs.

    ummm 400 UK lbs. Which is rougly 600-700 dollars.

    Umm.. no Nol, Jinu, and almost any other custom builder could probably supply you with a cheaper and better solutions for that kind of cash.
    Price listed on german site is 399,99 €, which is not bad, if it really can deliver what it promises. And what if it's originally meant for fish tank cooling? The original pumps used in computer WC setups came from the aquarium business (read: eheim). Not to mention i DO have a 220L fish tank (although it doesnt actually require cooling as I live in northern Europe )

    It's an interesting idea. I will spend some time in the chilled water section reading up on the concept though, before I go ahead and splurge...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zLynk View Post
    How can a triple-fan ThermoChill dissapate ~500W of heat with roughly 20W going to fans? The 375W specification on that chiller will be to run the compressor. If the chiller drew 800W, yet could only dissapate 790W of radiated heat, the darned thing would overheat itself!
    Find me a single stage phase unit anywhere on any forum that draws less power from the wall than heat it moves.

    They move about 250-300w of heat, and draw 500-600 from the wall.

    Not to mention, cascades trip 30A breakers @ 120v, which is 3600w, all used to move the same 300w of heat output by a quadcore processor.

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    polar bear, yes i implore you to do some research.

    The dumbest thing you can do is buy something without any knowledge on what it is, and how its suposed to work.

    Well if your britney spears, thats another story...

    But once you grasp how chillers work, you'll seriously laugh. I have a 1/3HP salt water tank inline chiller, and it about 3 time this size on a 90 gallon reef. I took the system down, but i still have the chiller. I wouldnt ever think about dropping it, because

    1. the unit is too masive and would look ugly
    2. the temp probe can only take coolant down to 55C the lowest, not bad.
    3. id need to wear ear muff's to bed because its loud.

    Here is what i have:
    http://www.desertcoralaquatics.com/a.../prod_956.html

    Dimensions: 15.7" x 13.7" x 17.7"


    So i ask you guys, think and do some research on things like this b4 you press the gun. Dont ever underestimate the stupidity of a company when its desperate for revenue.


    Also you guys see the minimum flow requirements. 1200L/H -3000L/H ~ 20L/M ~ 5.2 gal/M ROFL~! who here even has a system with 1.5g/m+ ?? i know i do, but do you? Let see you pull that off with a MCP655 with 3 ek blocks + 2 chipset + 1 CPU.


    As i said, you'd have to be pretty stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
    In short, you'd have to be almost an idiot to pick this unit over a custom builders, and even more stupider to hook it up to a quadcore with tri sli.
    Ok ok point taken no need to rub it in dude

    So it probably IS too good to be true. Well darn. Thanks for the advice though, that's what these forums are for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polar bear View Post
    Ok ok point taken no need to rub it in dude

    So it probably IS too good to be true. Well darn. Thanks for the advice though, that's what these forums are for.
    hey... im only here to help you out.

    i wasnt directing the comment at you. I was more directing at future comments from trolls an idiots who will say good things about it.

    Well there isnt any. We told you in the world of compressors, and TEC's which is sub ambient cooling, there is no way you could move more heat then power required.

    As i said if this was the case, AC units wouldnt be power hogs, and could be modified to provide unlimited energy then by pulling heat out of the enviornment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
    hey... im only here to help you out.

    i wasnt directing the comment at you. I was more directing at future comments from trolls an idiots who will say good things about it.

    Well there isnt any. We told you in the world of compressors, and TEC's which is sub ambient cooling, there is no way you could move more heat then power required.

    As i said if this was the case, AC units wouldnt be power hogs, and could be modified to provide unlimited energy then by pulling heat out of the enviornment.
    No worries, no offense taken! Time spent in chilled water heaven was disappointingly short, but it felt good though for as long as it lasted . Now back to the REAL world of triple WC loop with triple 120.3 radiators and 6x 2400 rpm / 38 dBA fans. I think I'm going to need a drink...

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    If you look closely, you may notice the QUAD-ice cubes bathing in the CHILLED liquor in front of my TRI-sli setup...

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    vodka is my fav alko
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    Quote Originally Posted by disruptfam View Post
    vodka is my fav alko
    hey, anyone know the coolant properties of vodka?

    (sorry, might have forgotten to take my anti-mania drugs again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by polar bear View Post

    If you look closely, you may notice the QUAD-ice cubes bathing in the CHILLED liquor in front of my TRI-sli setup...


    oh and incase no one welcomed you

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    Quote Originally Posted by polar bear View Post
    hey, anyone know the coolant properties of vodka?

    (sorry, might have forgotten to take my anti-mania drugs again)
    heh, it would evaporate
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    Quote Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post


    oh and incase no one welcomed you

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    Thanx, NaeKuh!

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