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    Brief R700 Slides





    http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2.../kaigai404.htm
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    Translation- (Thanks to Wesker776)

    Pic 1- Title: Estimated Trend of High End GPU's

    Single GPU Card
    R600 Generation
    (top to bottom):
    First box: Because die is large it has a wider memory interface
    Second box: Huge (monolithic) GPU unit
    Third Box: The link supports multi video cards for better performance

    Dual GPU Card
    R680 Generation
    (top to bottom):
    First Box: The memory is seperated (independant), and now a memory duplicate overhead now occurs.
    Second Box: Between the GPU's, there is no connection
    Third box (bottom left): Both GPU's perform independant tasks, and there is a possibility of execution overhead
    Fourth box (bottom right): GPU die size is half of the previous high end

    Dual Die GPU
    R700 Generation?
    (top to bottom):
    First Box: Shared memory has minimum latency, and both can be accessed
    Second Box (left): GPU die is half the size of previous high end die
    Third Box (right): GPU's are connected to eachother via high bandwidth, low latency interconnect
    Fourth Box (right): It is an Multi Chip Module design (multiple dies on the same substrate), and this allows high bandwidth connection
    Fifth Box (left): The GPU's are connected very closely and perform together in tandem to minimise overhead.

    Second Picture
    Dual Die GPU Power Saving Schemes

    Left Hand:
    High Voltage

    Right Hand:
    Low Voltage
    Last edited by LordEC911; 12-05-2007 at 01:05 AM.

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    Interesting. Looks like its a speculation slide though. But an internal MCM with a shared memory popol and other things is quite different. Could be interesting to see if ATI found some new way for GPUs to work

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    I like how when i see these pictures alot of time they have questions marks next to important things....

    R700 Generation?

    Makes it slightly less believable...

    Alot of people could have guessed ATi wanted to go multicore with shared memory, although it doesn't look shared at all after looking at the graphs.

    Too bad there isn't any news on it's release date, with NVIDIAs gpu coming out supposedly in February, question is, "Is ATi going to be late for the show? Again?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcY18 View Post
    I like how when i see these pictures alot of time they have questions marks next to important things....

    R700 Generation?

    Makes it slightly less believable...

    Alot of people could have guessed ATi wanted to go multicore with shared memory, although it doesn't look shared at all after looking at the graphs.

    Too bad there isn't any news on it's release date, with NVIDIAs gpu coming out supposedly in February, question is, "Is ATi going to be late for the show? Again?"
    AMD is still shooting for late Q2.

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    Looks about right from what ATi has been talking about. I hope they can deliver. They should given that they delivered greatly with RV670
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    Can we predict a 4-slot 18-inch long monster? It'll come need a diesel generator with industrial DC service panel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock&Roll View Post
    Can we predict a 4-slot 18-inch long monster? It'll come need a diesel generator with industrial DC service panel!
    AMD said nothing about PCB or cooler size nor heat but power consumption is suppose to be decrease.
    They can't go much past 10inches, there just won't be room in people's rigs.

    I have a feeling we will see AMD's new cooling design with the launch of R700.

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    once again, crossfire @ package level

    4-core high-end R700 ?

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    supposedly better than crossfire....higher bandwidth interconnect?

    r700 is not supposed to be another r680.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    once again, crossfire @ package level

    4-core high-end R700 ?
    Translation states that they will be on the same substrate with a high bandwidth low latency interconnect, so its more than just CF @ package level it seems.

    Hmm, basically splitting up existing massive GPU's into smaller partitions that can be combined together to form a massive GPU or smaller into lower range GPU's is the feeliing I'm getting

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    I hope this is not just made up, because change is good in this case for AMD/ATI. The more changes the more hope I have for them right now and this setup looks quite a bit different to HD 3800 and Geforce 8 series for example.

    Interesting. But I guess it won't be released until early Q3 or so at the earliest, anything sooner would be a suprise to me.
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    nothing new at all and could be completely made up
    but thx for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by saaya View Post
    nothing new at all and could be completely made up
    but thx for sharing
    Oh, so everyone saying the GPUs are just CF in the last R700 thread knew this?
    Could this be fake, yes. So could almost anything else posted here...
    There are quite a few people that think, and reading this thread still think, that it is simply CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordEC911 View Post
    Oh, so everyone saying the GPUs are just CF in the last R700 thread knew this?
    Could this be fake, yes. So could almost anything else posted here...
    There are quite a few people that think, and reading this thread still think, that it is simply CF.
    Lets just say, that looking on the current track record for ATI/AMD. Plus taking alot of technical factors into account. This is fantasy made up stuff. Most likely to just start another hype...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    Lets just say, that looking on the current track record for ATI/AMD. Plus taking alot of technical factors into account. This is fantasy made up stuff. Most likely to just start another hype...
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    R600 - 2x card (CF @ card level) external interconnect
    R680 - 2x gpu (CF @ pcb level) onboard interconnect
    R700 - 2x core (CF @ package level) die interconnect

    CF, CF, CF

    if u guys dont like 'crossfire' lol name it and ill call it that

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordEC911 View Post
    AMD said nothing about PCB or cooler size nor heat but power consumption is suppose to be decrease.
    They can't go much past 10inches, there just won't be room in people's rigs.

    I have a feeling we will see AMD's new cooling design with the launch of R700.
    Perhaps, but don't forget, the r700 dies are supposed to be manufactured using a 45nm process node, so the dies should be very small (which helps with power consumption and heat output)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    R600 - 2x card (CF @ card level) external interconnect
    R680 - 2x gpu (CF @ pcb level) onboard interconnect
    R700 - 2x core (CF @ package level) die interconnect

    CF, CF, CF

    if u guys dont like 'crossfire' lol name it and ill call it that
    apart from the 'fact' that it is 2 gpu's rendering the same screen ()
    it would be interesting to know what improvements differentiate r700 from r680.

    a 512 bit bus would be nice seeing as nvidia d9e is supposedly doing this.
    45nm.../higher clock potential?
    die interconnect to increase "cf" scaling.......

    more shaders/processing units????
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    Quote Originally Posted by NapalmV5 View Post
    R600 - 2x card (CF @ card level) external interconnect
    R680 - 2x gpu (CF @ pcb level) onboard interconnect
    R700 - 2x core (CF @ package level) die interconnect

    CF, CF, CF

    if u guys dont like 'crossfire' lol name it and ill call it that
    You mean-
    CF, CF, MCM.
    To even hint that this is simply CF means you don't understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
    Perhaps, but don't forget, the r700 dies are supposed to be manufactured using a 45nm process node, so the dies should be very small (which helps with power consumption and heat output)
    Yes, 45nm, ~330mil trannies, ~70mm2 per core.
    If R700 really is a quadcore then it should have a die size roughly the same as the G92 but with ~75% more transistors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordEC911 View Post
    You mean-
    CF, CF, MCM.
    To even hint that this is simply CF means you don't understand.


    Yes, 45nm, ~330mil trannies, ~70mm2 per core.
    If R700 really is a quadcore then it should have a die size roughly the same as the G92 but with ~75% more transistors.
    Wrong, R700 is still "CF" because the games will see both cores independently and it's still running in "CF" mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKPolice View Post
    Wrong, R700 is still "CF" because the games will see both cores independently and it's still running in "CF" mode.
    How do you know this?
    Oh wait you don't...

    Like I said before, to even think that R700 is simply CF 4 cores together is just wrong.

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    i didnt mean 4 cores together, 4 cores total, by the info going around youd have to be loco to think that the high-end R700 is anything less than 4 cores

    whats wrong with CF 4 cores?

    4 core CF on one card makes more sense than 4x card CF/2x dual-gpu CF

    i think thats what ati is aiming @ high-end R700 - dual-die x 2 CF

    if its not CF? than what is it?

    MCM? how does it actually work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKPolice View Post
    Wrong, R700 is still "CF" because the games will see both cores independently and it's still running in "CF" mode.
    ?
    thats like saying a c2d is just another pentium with hypterthreading
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    gpu aint cpu

    thats why we have sli/cf

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    If this is CF, then you couldn't CF R700, memory couldn't be shared, cores would be working independently, scaling would be ~3.2-3.4x the lowend, plus all the driver problems.

    It just wouldn't work...

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