Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

[KTE]

Your chip looked 2.7G doable pretty easily to me as I stated once before. You looked limited by Vista on the MSI.

The DS5 doesn't clock better than the MSI IME, it doesn't have the BIOS options to, not if you use all we have made clear regarding VID/FID/DID or the 1.13 BETA. The DQ6 will. You can't oc the NB/RAM with the DS5 much. Try plus 600 on RAM and plus 2.4G on NB for instance.

So you're telling me that you tried to do some fraud?

[karbonkid]

I have a 9600std and a 9600be, when my K9A2 died I thought I'd be shady and go buy another one switch them out, return it, then I'd have 2 boards right?
Well, the board I bought actually WAS bad!! When I went back to the store they were out of K9A2's and all they had were DS5/DQ6 and the Asus boards, so it wound up costing me an extra $45!!

What goes around comes around

[jesteronyer6]

I got my new ASUS board and couldnt get video so I installed a 5000 and she fired right up so my Phenom is dead as well RMA-ing it tommorow

[Daveburt714]

So you're telling me that you tried to do some fraud?

Fraud is a pretty harsh word, I NEVER do that kind of stuff. But I had bought both chips from there plus the board and a cheapo CoolerMaster PSU which I thought had caused the problem (apparently not). Plus the fact that the board was only a couple weeks past thier normal return policy and I bought another board, a decent PSU and another set of RAM...
Oh well, just trying to justify it in my own mind, guess I got what I deserved.

As far as the DS5 goes, I think the BIOS may have gotten alot better since you tested it. I'm running the F4f version and they seem very solid. Here are the pros & Cons so far:

PROS: TLB disable works across all 4 cores (fully disables)
Temps report much more accurately than the MSI
HTT/HTR voltage settings (although it doesn't seem to offer much)
SB Voltage control
Voltages seem alot more stable (Less fluctuation)

CONS: No voltage option for the IMC (NB Vid)
Looks like max HTT Ref is around 235 (250 was stable on the MSI)
Voltage options are a little more limited (idiot proof), which may be a good thing in my case...
If you want to see some BIOS pics let me know.

I got my new ASUS board and couldnt get video so I installed a 5000 and she fired right up so my Phenom is dead as well RMA-ing it tommorow

Sorry to hear about your Phenom Jest... My CPU is fine, guess it was just some weird coincidence...

[Mathos]

oh yeah, my phenom's batch number is:
CAAWB AA 0747MPMW

Decided to reseat my HSF since when I had originally installed it, the thumb push down latch was right up against the sercupipe on my board, so I switched the mounting latch around to the opposite direction.

[madfaze]

Guys, the BIOS file P0H aGeoM attached is fine, checksum is also perfect. I've flashed it without even setting defaults although I did follow the safe known procedure and did use the flash parameters.

what parameters did you used during update of bios?what does this do?

[KTE]

Fraud is a pretty harsh word, I NEVER do that kind of stuff. But I had bought both chips from there plus the board and a cheapo CoolerMaster PSU which I thought had caused the problem (apparently not). Plus the fact that the board was only a couple weeks past thier normal return policy and I bought another board, a decent PSU and another set of RAM...
Oh well, just trying to justify it in my own mind, guess I got what I deserved.

As far as the DS5 goes, I think the BIOS may have gotten alot better since you tested it. I'm running the F4f version and they seem very solid. Here are the pros & Cons so far:

PROS: TLB disable works across all 4 cores (fully disables)
Temps report much more accurately than the MSI
HTT/HTR voltage settings (although it doesn't seem to offer much)
SB Voltage control
Voltages seem alot more stable (Less fluctuation)

The first thing is awesome! Nope that wasn't in the earlier BIOS I tried. The rest of the volts aren't important as we know, only NB VID/Volts is the main importance after CPU. What are your idle/load temps now, any test ss?

CONS: No voltage option for the IMC (NB Vid)
Voltage options are a little more limited (idiot proof), which may be a good thing in my case...

This is what made me stay away from it frankly. NB is central to control for a good oc here.

If you want to see some BIOS pics let me know.

Yes please (just don't make them huge)

what parameters did you used during update of bios?what does this do?

Example for Flash Utility 418 with P0H:

afud418.exe a7376ams.p0h /p /b /n /c

Some type /pbnc instead, it's best to clear everything properly when flashing.

[madfaze]

basically what it does with those parameters?

i mean even without those parameters can you still update the bios normally like i do...

[KTE]

Parameters flash over the boot-strap of your BIOS.

As I've said before, I would never flash without those using a BETA, you are going to end up with random problems many times and even unbootable systems.

[madfaze]

geez... now i have second thoughts on flashing BETA bios ... dont wanna end up a brick mobo...

but when the bios is official release is it still good to run it without those parameters?right?

[KTE]

It's always best to do that, always... always.

Well that is what BETA is about, you know.

[madfaze]

how about the command "/reboot" will it work too?

[Daveburt714]

KTE: Here some Bios/Temp shots from the DS5.



As you can see those temps look much more realistic than what I was getting from the K9A2. Alot of times the MSI board would show temps below ambient, and never went over 32c. One thing I never noticed on the MSI board was the somewhat broad Voltage swing when you put the CPU under load. CPU V's are set at 1.3v's but when I load the processor it jumps to 1.36 as shown in the ss, as soon as I turn off Prime4 it drops back down to 1.296v. Seems a little odd but it does seem to help stability...
(BTW, Ambient is around 71f right now)



We don't need no stinking TLB Patch! Sweet...



Haven't had a chance to play with the AutoExpress thing yet, but it looks interesting. I'm just looking for stability right now...



The only thing I really miss in this Bios is the ability to adjust NB v's. I wonder if they just didn't feel the need to include it, or if they cheaped out on the power section of the board (I doubt that)...

KTE, If you and Achim can figure out a way to adjust that setting through registers let me know. If it's not too scary I might try it...

[KTE]

how about the command "/reboot" will it work too?

I don't recall what that's for or if it works. Load the flash utility and type /? or /help and you should get a list of parameters which do work and what they do.

KTE: Here some Bios/Temp shots from the DS5.

Thank you!

As you can see those temps look much more realistic than what I was getting from the K9A2. Alot of times the MSI board would show temps below ambient, and never went over 32c.

I'm working through this but the temperatures reported by all software including the BIOS are TCONTROL, and TCONTROL is not a temperature value but an arbitrary value in decimals to allow better control of thermal management. It is designed to read sub-ambient values and even negative values whilst ambient is plus 10C as it does not literally show temperature values in degrees but shows a TCONTROL value that is set to always stay below TCONTROL max; which is calibrated to be consistent with the actual processors TCASE max.

The TCONTROL correlating to the TCASE can be found in the thermal management guide.

My 9500 and last 9600BE didn't read this value as this but once or twice. They were reading the same temp as the TCASE with software and a thermocouple. My current one and 9600s reacted different though and often read sub-ambient. This is by design.

The values for temps you have above are also not real temp values (they are very low for real values, lower than my 9600BE is at stock).

Here's the pertinent explanation of AMD K10h temperature workings:

One thing I never noticed on the MSI board was the somewhat broad Voltage swing when you put the CPU under load. CPU V's are set at 1.3v's but when I load the processor it jumps to 1.36 as shown in the ss, as soon as I turn off Prime4 it drops back down to 1.296v. Seems a little odd but it does seem to help stability...
(BTW, Ambient is around 71f right now)

That's good and bad actually.

Good, as in no Vdroop as on MSI which causes mass instability many times, especially if more than 0.02V.
Bad as in you'll have higher load power/temps and current going to your chip, which is not healthy for it. The Vdroop is actually by design a feature for the CPU safety.

Very good options in BIOS though, just a trimmed version of the DQ6 one.

The only thing I really miss in this Bios is the ability to adjust NB v's. I wonder if they just didn't feel the need to include it, or if they cheaped out on the power section of the board (I doubt that)...

KTE, If you and Achim can figure out a way to adjust that setting through registers let me know. If it's not too scary I might try it...

You can do it on the fly in Windows, yup. But it will revert after restart.

Check mine and Achim's posts out towards the end of the DFI RD790 thread, they'll help. The register that controls the current processor state is this following and you need to change and write the following value to whatever you want using Crystal CPUID:



The 48h control NB VID.
The 340h controls CPU VID.

48h = 1.100V
340h = 1.225V

i.e.



I had to put load on it to show you the specs because I'm running CnQ. Check what we're idling with CnQ in the DFI thread.

[KTE]

Just posting some K10h related roadmaps I was about to a day ago but was delayed. Don't mind me...

BTW, Phenom FX maybe mentioned there you know.

[ragnarok95]

Hmm....2 version of 9750 with diff TBD?

[spicypixel]

I wonder if the availability of the FX82 will lead to a FX70/72/74 style dual CPU socked motherboard. If there is a chance AMD will get a dual socket motherboard for the Phenom FX series before September I'll put off my computer build.

[Debello]

Hmm....2 version of 9750 with diff TBD?

Probably one with L3 cahce and one with out the L3 cache.

[KTE]

Hmm....2 version of 9750 with diff TBD?

Different TDP's (2.4GHz).

I wonder if the availability of the FX82 will lead to a FX70/72/74 style dual CPU socked motherboard.

Don't count on it, believe me, there won't be. Not until after Deneb 2009 anyway. 1P you will get though.

[KTE]

http://www.lavalys.com:8081/beta/eve...l9xdsv2crt.zip

Just gets better and better.

Any of you miss Barcelona benchmarked with Xeon (Core 2 and Penryn)?

Independent world famous professional research found a while ago, that due to FBDIMMs Intel uses, Barcelona servers beat similarly configured Xeons based on Core 2 and Penryn in power usage and performance efficiency: http://www.worlds-fastest.com/wfz986.html

Test were conducted far better than SPEC_CPU 2006 or TPC can, these saturate each RAM module, network, disk and core far more. These are also not configured by separate entities, flags or components, but are purely apple to apple comparisons.

Full details of the testing:
Power Usage at various transaction levels: http://www.worlds-fastest.com/wf3400.html
Throughput: http://www.worlds-fastest.com/wf2400.html

That's basically why Penryn was rushed and released as Intel knew, and as any market analyst would tell you. In the major server market with strong loads, Woodcrest would get trumped for power/cost/efficiency/performance by Barcelona. Let alone that, even 2.33GHz Harpertown vs. 2.0GHz Barcelona get beat overall when you weight the overall cost:performance down. That's also why someone would take Barcelona over them for supercomputers.

[Oc-Ghost]

Never would have thought that was the case, Barcelona on par with Penryn.

I´d like to say that I have seen that before somewhere, but I´m not sure where.... maybe in the news section..

[madfaze]

which of those phenoms are tri-core?

[KTE]

Toliman.

Yes, test data is obvious as to why firms jump on products.. but for lunatics. Obviously that doesn't account for all work-types, just a major few.

[madfaze]

are they schedule to be out on 2Q?

[ragnarok95]

Just got my 9600 on my K9A2 plat. Happy with it. Zero problems so far.