Temperature Problems

[MuffinFlavored]

Hello.
I have spent 300 dollars on water cooling parts.
I have assembled 4 water cooling systems.

My current build, the one giving me problems is:
Swiftech MCR-320 Triple 120mm radiator with 3 Yate Loons intake.
Swiftech MCP-655 Pump on 5.
EK-FC8800 on eVGA 8800GTS at stock speeds and stock voltages.
D-Tek Fuzion on Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 at stock (1.275v VID) speeds and voltages.

I WCG Bonic Windows Vista 32-bit all at stock Core Temp 0.95.4 59-59-58-62.
I idle WCG Bonic pasued Windows Vista 32-bit all stock Core Temp 0.95.4 42-40-40-42.

My ambient temperatures are, I am cold.
Outside temperature is 31f.
Inside is probably 68f.
20c ambient.

For the D-Tek block mount, my procedure goes:
Screw, washer, motherboard, washer, nut, block, plate, spring limiter, spring, thumb screw.

The thumb screw is tightened all the way to the spring limiter on all 4 sides.
I have ran the system without the spring limiters, and saw no difference.

For thermal paste, I use Arctic Silver 5.
I put a grain of rice sized dab n the middle, and moved the block in 1 inch diameter circles.

here are some pictures.
I will take any other pictures needed, or provide any other info.

I just don't want to have 300 dollars worth of watercooling being outperformed by air cooling.

http://universal-chess.com/muffinfla...omputer/temps/

Bottom line:
WCG Bonic load 59 59 58 61 stock Q6700 D-Tek Fuzion on water cooling?
Too high for me.

Thank you!

[Jedda]

Got a back plate on that cpu mount?
How bowed is it with the Fuzion screwed down that much?
Could be why your idle temps are so high.

[disruptfam]

man make sure u don't overtighten your barbs on that fuzion from the pic's you provided looks like the o-ring it cracking....

Also your fuzion block BASE... looks in bad shape... don't think it hinder's thermal transfer but you might want to clean it..

Ketchup and toothbrush will help you... there

as for your temps problem sounds like a bad mount try a re-mount

[Gios]

did you fix it?

what was the problem?

[Glorfindel]

Yes it seems high. i have the exact same setup and i'm at about 35-36 idle and about 61 load with cpu at 1.55v idle and 1.62v load at 3.6ghz, i have the quad nozzle kit in my fuzion.

[Waterlogged]

Yes, replace those O-Rings ASAP! Why aren't you using the D-Tek barbs that came with the FuZioN?

If your using a inverted ATX case, you have the FuZioN on upside down, which may be allowing an air bubble to get caught in the block.

Your also using the wrong method to apply the AS5. http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._quad_wcap.pdf

[MuffinFlavored]

Yes, replace those O-Rings ASAP! Why aren't you using the D-Tek barbs that came with the FuZioN?

If your using a inverted ATX case, you have the FuZioN on upside down, which may be allowing an air bubble to get caught in the block.

Your also using the wrong method to apply the AS5. http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appi..._quad_wcap.pdf

i agree with disruptfam replace them 0-rings (use a smaller dia) if leave them asking for disaster. the thumb nuts turn them around or use flat washers on spring. can you take a pic of the complete loop of water system also what are using for fluid in sysyem? for i see tubing is stained

man make sure u don't overtighten your barbs on that fuzion from the pic's you provided looks like the o-ring it cracking....

Also your fuzion block BASE... looks in bad shape... don't think it hinder's thermal transfer but you might want to clean it..

Ketchup and toothbrush will help you... there

as for your temps problem sounds like a bad mount try a re-mount

I purchased the Fuzion from Jab-Tech and used the supplied barbs.
I need to LOOSEN the barbs on the Fuzion?
I only hand tightened them.

I have my D-Tek Fuzion upside down because the tubing didn't reach, and I was going to kill myself since this was my like 5th and a half re-do of the setup.

I will go clean the block right now, bleeding my system.
I will reapply the AS5.

I will post the fixings.

Got a back plate on that cpu mount?
How bowed is it with the Fuzion screwed down that much?
Could be why your idle temps are so high.

No back plate.

[MuffinFlavored]

Cleaned the block with an alcohol pad, then really scrubbed in the ketchup, then another alcohol pad.
Took off the fittings and O-Rings, let it dry for a few minutes.
Put the fittings on with my fingers.
Placed the block the right way (got a longer tube).
Put the thermal paste like I was linked. (Major difference in how much I put)
Put the block WITH the spring limiters on.
Tightened all the way.

And now I am idling 35 33 33 35 stock with alot of air still in my system.
WCG Bonic load 44 43 43 45.

Thank you guys for everything!
If there is a way to improve my temps even more, please tell me!
44 43 43 45 load at stock, could be better?
But that's better than 60+!

Should I purchase new fittings? New O-ring? New block?
I will upload the pictures of the clean block and a closeup on the O-Rings!

[Serpentarius]

it's hard to say bout temps .. coz i heard a few xtreme members saying bout the temps are relative and unrealistic .. the good temp sensor can have ± 3°C while the cheap can go as high as ± 7°C

the only thing which can compare is the highest of O/C it can go

[The Lone Wolf]

Also your fuzion block BASE... looks in bad shape... don't think it hinder's thermal transfer but you might want to clean it..

Ketchup and toothbrush will help you... there

ketchup and a toothbrush?! you serious?

[MuffinFlavored]

ketchup and a toothbrush?! you serious?

Sodium.

it's hard to say bout temps .. coz i heard a few xtreme members saying bout the temps are relative and unrealistic .. the good temp sensor can have ± 3°C while the cheap can go as high as ± 7°C

the only thing which can compare is the highest of O/C it can go

True that, I'll have a go at it tomorrow.
Thank you.

[Waterlogged]

Those fittings look like DD Hi Flows, they definitely are not D-Teks. With the D-Tek fittings, the O-Ring sit up in the nut portion a bit and is supported by a captive groove/ring. If the block came from Jab-tech without the stock D-Tek fittings, someone there is playing a really stupid game.

[Xilikon]

Those fittings look like DD Hi Flows, they definitely are not D-Teks. With the D-Tek fittings, the O-Ring sit up in the nut portion a bit and is supported by a captive groove/ring. If the block came from Jab-tech without the stock D-Tek fittings, someone there is playing a really stupid game.

Agreed. I have 10 D-Tek barbs and there is a groove to keep the o-ring in place. When I tighten it almost fully, I don't see the O-Ring at all.

[MuffinFlavored]

Agreed. I have 10 D-Tek barbs and there is a groove to keep the o-ring in place. When I tighten it almost fully, I don't see the O-Ring at all.

Those fittings look like DD Hi Flows, they definitely are not D-Teks. With the D-Tek fittings, the O-Ring sit up in the nut portion a bit and is supported by a captive groove/ring. If the block came from Jab-tech without the stock D-Tek fittings, someone there is playing a really stupid game.

I have never purchased anything from DangerDen, so I guess someone at Jab-Tech messed up.

I would very much like to buy this "quad-nozzle" I hear about, and/or new barbs?

What is this "quad-nozzle"?
http://www.jab-tech.com/D-Tek-FuZion...t-pr-3956.html
Is that it?

As of right now, I can overclock my Q6700 G0 1.275v VID to 3800MHz 1.56875v stable.
I posted 4000MHz, but not stable.
I could not post 4050MHz at 1.6v.
All voltages are BIOs.
I am kind of disappointed. Q6600s can reach 4000mhz, and my more expensive processor can't?
Am I motherboard limited? (Gigabyte P35-DQ6 F7b).

As for temps, with these barbs, a 8800GTS 640MB at stock, Q6700 G0 1.275v VID @ 3800MHz 1.56875v I am WCG Bonic loading 70 69 65 65.

[MuffinFlavored]

Sorry to bring up and old thread,
but...

I got to overclocking.
I can boot 4000MHz, but I can not make it stable.
3800MHz is stable.

In BIOs, I set voltage to 1.5875v and CPUz reads 1.536v (V-Droop, lol?).
I am using F7d BIOs on the Gigabyte P35-DQ6.
Loading 69 67 71 67.
This isn't my ideal temperature range.

You guys already helped me solve one temperature problem, why not another?

Is there a more ideal TIM?
Should I order a new CPU block?
Barbs and O-Ring?

[Xilikon]

Try new barbs for sure. No need to change the block since it's already the best. Also, if you disassemble to add the nozzles kit, clean it very well to get rid of any possible gunk.

A area you could improve would be to put higher CFM fans on your MCR320 or replace it with a Thermochill PA120.3.

[MuffinFlavored]

Try new barbs for sure. No need to change the block since it's already the best. Also, if you disassemble to add the nozzles kit, clean it very well to get rid of any possible gunk.

A area you could improve would be to put higher CFM fans on your MCR320 or replace it with a Thermochill PA120.3.

LOL. I could put my 3 F122s back on, and possibly lose an eardrum. I'll see how much that does.

Could you suggest (link) me the best barbs I can get?

[MuffinFlavored]

Sorry to bring up a dead thread, but I thought it would be better than creating another thread.

I "think" I am having temperature problems again.
My system is in my signature, running at stock speeds and voltages.

CPU (Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 1.275v VID 2666 MHz)

• Voltage
  • 1.275v in BIOS
  • 1.248v CPU-Z

• Clocks
  • 266 FSB x 10 multiplier = 2666.6 MHz

• Temperatures
  • 38/38/35/35 idle
  • 50/50/47/47 Prime95 running 4 instances for 30 seconds load

RAM (2x1GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2-1066 5-5-5-15)

• Voltage
  • 1.95v in BIOS

• Clocks
  • 1:2 FSB:RAM Ratio
  • 266 FSB x 2 ratio = 532MHz
  • DDR2-1066 5-5-5-15

Cooling Gear

• Swiftech MCR-320 radiator
• 3 120mm Yate Loon fans
• Swiftech MCP-655 pump
• D-Tek Fuzion CPU block
• EK FC-8800 GPU block

My D-Tek Fuzion seems to have "rust" stains on the bottom, but ketchup scrubbing and alcohol rubbing does not clean it.

I am using Artic Silver 5 thermal paste.

If I left any details out, please ask me for them.

The reason I think I have a problem is, when I want to overclock my processor, I see all these amazing overclocks on Q6600s, a less expensive chip.

When I try to overclock my processor to 3800MHz, I push 1.5875v into it.
I then idle ~60c and load 80c+.

[Big_Daddy]

Have you cleaned your blocks and replaced your fluids since your last posts? Could be gunk built up in your blocks. Also check your rad for dust. Did you ever get the quad nozzle? (yes, that is the correct link you provided)

The rust stains on the d-tek, is it a stain, or is something eating the copper? (A close inspection can tell) If all else fails, you can lap your block. Do a search, there are several posts on how to lap CPU's and cooling blocks.

Also, the q6600 e0 is one of the better overclocking proc's there are. The qx6700 (I have one as well) doesn't overclock as much. It is a better chip mind you, just doesn't increase as much.

[MuffinFlavored]

Have you cleaned your blocks and replaced your fluids since your last posts? Could be gunk built up in your blocks. Also check your rad for dust. Did you ever get the quad nozzle? (yes, that is the correct link you provided)

The rust stains on the d-tek, is it a stain, or is something eating the copper? (A close inspection can tell) If all else fails, you can lap your block. Do a search, there are several posts on how to lap CPU's and cooling blocks.

Also, the q6600 e0 is one of the better overclocking proc's there are. The qx6700 (I have one as well) doesn't overclock as much. It is a better chip mind you, just doesn't increase as much.

I have not cleaned my block since. The thought of emptying my entire system, taking everything apart, and then re-doing everything, kills me.

My radiator has a ton of dust.

I did not ever get the quad-nozzle kit, nor new barbs.
I do not know if it is a stain or something eating the copper.

I might go take everything apart.

[Big_Daddy]

Ok, first and for most, clean your rad, get your trusty can of air, and go to town. If it's REALLY bad, disassamble your system, and take your rad and wash it out with water.

The waterblocks, take them off, take them apart, and clean with a toothbrush/distilled water. Put them back together (don't forget the o-rings)

What fluid do you put into your system? Premix? distilled water/biocide? tapwater??!?!?

[Kilyin]

Too late now I guess, but I woulda made the place that sold you the Fuzion give me the barbs that were supposed to come with it in the first place.

[MuffinFlavored]

Ok, first and for most, clean your rad, get your trusty can of air, and go to town. If it's REALLY bad, disassamble your system, and take your rad and wash it out with water.

The waterblocks, take them off, take them apart, and clean with a toothbrush/distilled water. Put them back together (don't forget the o-rings)

What fluid do you put into your system? Premix? distilled water/biocide? tapwater??!?!?

I took a 1 gallon bottle of distilled water, and put an entire thing of Pentosin inside, and then I poored it in my loop.

I will go take my PC apart now.

[Big_Daddy]

I took a 1 gallon bottle of distilled water, and put an entire thing of Pentosin inside, and then I poored it in my loop.

I will go take my PC apart now.

From Petra's

That's a corrosion inhibitor and a uv colorant, not an algaecide. You don't need it without any Aluminum in your setup. You will still need to add some kind of algaecide.

[MuffinFlavored]

From Petra's

That's a corrosion inhibitor and a uv colorant, not an algaecide. You don't need it without any Aluminum in your setup. You will still need to add some kind of algaecide.

What are you saying, if I use all copper, I do not need Pentosin, and I need something elsE?

I just took apart my entire system.

My D-Tek Fuzion had hair, and what looked like, boogers in the block.
I scrubbed the inside of the block with a tooth brush, and 2 pins broke off.
I used a tooth pick to get some hair out.

I am now idling 28/28/26/26.
I now wPrime 1.55 1024m load 39/39/34/34. (2 minutes later, 42/43/37/37)

I put my radiator under a sink, it had hair and boogers too, and I think my fans were facing the wrong way.

I took tons of pictures.
http://flickr.com/photos/25160408@N02/

Ignore the blackmail.