Barcelona Opteron 2350(B1) arrived

[kyosen]

Kysoen: Are you sure there is almost no difference with different DDR2 clocks in CB10? It should be around 100 CB between 667 and 800.

Sure...yeah it's strange, I feel too.
I got different time for SuperPI4M with different memory clock, as usually expected.

[mAJORD]

Hope you don't mind me quoting one of your tests Kyson, but I just happend to spot an almost identical 3dmark run on OCAU with a Q6600 @ 2.4:

8800GT+ Q6600@ 2.4 : http://imagestore.ugbox.net/aview/3D...3db6c787b03544

11174 3dmarks

SM2:4651
SM3:4764
CPU: 3473


8800GT+ 2350@ 2.4: http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3..._HTx4_88GT.png

10926 3dmarks

SM2:4439
SM3:4672
CPU: 3553

[mad_skills]

that's a nice one by 2350
looks like Opty is going to be a good one..

[savantu]

Hope you don't mind me quoting one of your tests Kyson, but I just happend to spot an almost identical 3dmark run on OCAU with a Q6600 @ 2.4:

8800GT+ Q6600@ 2.4 : http://imagestore.ugbox.net/aview/3D...3db6c787b03544

10926 3dmarks

SM2:4651
SM3:4764
CPU: 3473


8800GT+ 2350@ 2.4: http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3..._HTx4_88GT.png

11174 3dmarks

SM2:4439
SM3:4672
CPU: 3553

You've mixed up the global score ; the Intel system scores 11174.

[informal]

You've mixed up the global score ; the Intel system scores 11174.

That's because(the higher intel score) the intel system was benched on Vista while AMD was on win 2003.The driver was obviously better on Vista(2003 is kinda old) and don't forget the HT speed the Barcelona was running with, along with regged mem. with cas 5.
The important thing here is that K10 scored better in CPU score dept.

[mAJORD]

oops, Cheers Savantu.

I had all the intel SM scores in the wrong spot before first ninja edit too :/ I'm a bit tired (exuses)

[hipro5]

Hope you don't mind me quoting one of your tests Kyson, but I just happend to spot an almost identical 3dmark run on OCAU with a Q6600 @ 2.4:

8800GT+ Q6600@ 2.4 : http://imagestore.ugbox.net/aview/3D...3db6c787b03544

10926 3dmarks

SM2:4651
SM3:4764
CPU: 3473


8800GT+ 2350@ 2.4: http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3..._HTx4_88GT.png

11174 3dmarks

SM2:4439
SM3:4672
CPU: 3553

This doesn't count because user with Q6600 uses Windows VISTA.........So.......ADD another 1000marks or so on it for Windows XP and you're ready....

[BeardyMan]

This doesn't count because user with Q6600 uses Windows VISTA.........So.......ADD another 1000marks or so on it for Windows XP and you're ready....

Bench windows 2003 please and see teh difference, windows vista ai'nt that shabby.

[hipro5]

Bench windows 2003 please and see teh difference, windows vista ai'nt that shabby.

IF so, so HOW can ANYONE compare?.....

[savantu]

That's because(the higher intel score) the intel system was benched on Vista while AMD was on win 2003.The driver was obviously better on Vista(2003 is kinda old) and don't forget the HT speed the Barcelona was running with, along with regged mem. with cas 5.

Well , what's obviously for you isn't for others.
The 2003 driver is basically the XP one.I'm pretty sure the XP driver is better than the new Vista ones.They had 6 years to perfect it after all.

Secondly , HT speed won't improve scores.

Thirdly , we don't know the RAM settings for the Intel system.Kyosen said : * DDR2-667 or 800 makes almost no difference.
I'm pretty sure that will also happen on desktops.The large latency of the L3 pretty much negates the few ns won or lost by using 667/800/1066RAM plus you have better prefetchers , in other words K10 will be less sensitive to memory latency than K8.

The important thing here is that K10 scored better in CPU score dept.

True.
Did it use 1 or 2 CPUs ? It is a DP board anyway.

More importantly , this post pretty much makes all the above useless :

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=181

CPU clock: 3DMark Score / CPU Score

K10(BA) 2.0G=222x9: 9482 / 2999
K10(B1) 2.0G=200x10: 9353 / 2979
K10(B1) 2.2G=220x10: 10148 / 3267
K10(B1) 2.4G=240x10: 10796 / 3560
K10(B1, 3core) 2.4G=240x10: 10420 / 2830
K10(B1, 2core) 2.4G=240x10; 9423 / 1888

Kentsfield 2.4G=267x9: 11901 / 3845
Kentsfield 3.0G=334x9: 12965 / 4792

Quick conclusion from above:
*K10(BA) looks a bit faster than K10(B1), though multiplier aren't same.
*K10 score seems about 10% lower than Kentsfield at same clock.

So, K10 needs more clock!!!

BA is B1 for mass production , the differences are none => BA=B1 in performance.

[kyosen]

I have own Kentsfield 3DMark06 results...
...haven't you seen my old post in this thread!?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=181

I pick up them and list along with revised K10 results:

CPU clock: 3DMark Score / CPU Score

K10(B1) 2.4G=240x10: 10796 / 3560 -> 10926 / 3553 (with HT multiplier x4)
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3....4G-240x10.png
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3..._HTx4_88GT.png

Kentsfield 2.4G=267x9: 11901 / 3845
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3...2.4G_267x9.png

So, Kentsfield is ~10% faster than K10, for both Total and CPU score...


Edit: Ah, savantu is faster than me

[informal]

Hmm strange,i went by HKEPC numbers here for yorkfield:
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=171&page=3#view
It seems your kentsfield is ~10% faster than Penryn quad used in HKEPC with 3% higher clock(2.4Ghz for your Kentsf. vs 2.33Ghz HKEPC Yorkf.)

[BeardyMan]

I have own Kentsfield 3DMark06 results...
...haven't you seen my old post in this thread!?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=181

I pick up them and list along with revised K10 results:

CPU clock: 3DMark Score / CPU Score

K10(B1) 2.4G=240x10: 10796 / 3560 -> 10926 / 3553 (with HT multiplier x4)
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3....4G-240x10.png
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3..._HTx4_88GT.png

Kentsfield 2.4G=267x9: 11901 / 3845
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3...2.4G_267x9.png

So, Kentsfield is ~10% faster than K10, for both Total and CPU score...


Edit: Ah, savantu is faster than me

You haven't got a RD790 board...

[nemrod]

On one side (kentsfield) this is ddr3, on the other (K10) it is ddr2 Is 3Dmark and cpu score dependent of memory?

[hipro5]

Hmm strange,i went by HKEPC numbers here for yorkfield:
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=171&page=3#view
It seems your kentsfield is ~10% faster than Penryn quad used in HKEPC with 3% higher clock(2.4Ghz for your Kentsf. vs 2.33Ghz HKEPC Yorkf.)

What VGA HKEPC used?....

I have own Kentsfield 3DMark06 results...
...haven't you seen my old post in this thread!?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=181

I pick up them and list along with revised K10 results:

CPU clock: 3DMark Score / CPU Score

K10(B1) 2.4G=240x10: 10796 / 3560 -> 10926 / 3553 (with HT multiplier x4)
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3....4G-240x10.png
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3..._HTx4_88GT.png

Kentsfield 2.4G=267x9: 11901 / 3845
http://www.oohashi.jp/c-board/file/3...2.4G_267x9.png

So, Kentsfield is ~10% faster than K10, for both Total and CPU score...


Edit: Ah, savantu is faster than me

Ahhhhh.....kyosen-san, you're cheating........

WHY did you run the Barchie with HIGHER fsb than it's default (200MHz)...?...

Now to be equal, run Kendsfield ASLO at higher fsb (for example at 333MHz fsb)......

[accord99]

On one side (kentsfield) this is ddr3, on the other (K10) it is ddr2 Is 3Dmark and cpu score dependent of memory?

Memory bandwidth/latency has virtually no impact on the 3DMark06 CPU score:

A single 3GHz Clovertown scores higher than a QX6800 despite being paired with FB-DIMMs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/i...8/3dmark-2.png

A few other reviews with dual-cores.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/memor...I/3dmark-2.png
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/memor...z/3dmark-2.png
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/a...d/3dmark-2.png

[hipro5]

Memory bandwidth/latency has virtually no impact on the 3DMark06 CPU score:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/cpu/i...8/3dmark-2.png

A single 3GHz Clovertown scores higher than a QX6800 despite being paired with FB-DIMMs.

High fsb and high rams frequency helps a bit CPU score in 2k6....

[kyosen]

Ahhhhh.....kyosen-san, you're cheating........

You should choose proper word

[savantu]

On one side (kentsfield) this is ddr3, on the other (K10) it is ddr2 Is 3Dmark and cpu score dependent of memory?

No , but Core based CPUs perform better with DDR3 even if clocked at a miserable 1333@CL8.

Either way , you compare what is going to be mainstream next year.

[savantu]

Hmm strange,i went by HKEPC numbers here for yorkfield:
http://www.hkepc.com/?id=171&page=3#view
It seems your kentsfield is ~10% faster than Penryn quad used in HKEPC with 3% higher clock(2.4Ghz for your Kentsf. vs 2.33Ghz HKEPC Yorkf.)

It's all about the chipset and RAM used. ( DDR3 > DDR2 )
What's the config on Hkepc ?

[hipro5]

You should choose proper word

Ahhh.......Yes, Sorry.......

[indiana_74]

Hi there,

i have two questions.

1. Where can i get the Bios Version 1004 for my KFSN4-DRE?
2. What is the version of clockgen you use?

I try to overclock my Opteron 2344 and the system freeze when i apply the settings in clockgen.

Greetings from germany

indiana_74

[kyosen]

Ahhh.......Yes, Sorry.......

You are welcome


And indiana_74, I've just read your private mail...give a moment

[LowRun]

Hi there,

i have two questions.

1. Where can i get the Bios Version 1004 for my KFSN4-DRE?
2. What is the version of clockgen you use?

I try to overclock my Opteron 2344 and the system freeze when i apply the settings in clockgen.

Greetings from germany

indiana_74

Welcome aboard dude

[Morais]

Welcome indiana_74, we are grateful to have you here (and your chips too )