http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...022211442.htmlOriginally Posted by XbitLabs
STRICTLY AMD ONLY PLEASE , ty to Zornundo for finding this as well
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/d...022211442.htmlOriginally Posted by XbitLabs
STRICTLY AMD ONLY PLEASE , ty to Zornundo for finding this as well
Last edited by perkam; 10-25-2007 at 04:32 AM.
I'm not going to allow bashing of AMD of any kind or any sarcastic or tongue in cheek posts of anykind, or any fanboy comments for that matter.
Let's keep it clean.
I have a considerable amount of patience, but it has its limits, and considering that XS News is the second most updated and frequently visited section on XS, I would think people would like to keep their access to it.
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Whats interesting here is that AMD does have plans to come out with an octal core around 2009, with one on MCM and a native octo core as well.
I'll try to post a roadmap of this when I can, though I'm hoping 45nm will bring some architecture changes as well, perhaps to lose that 3ghz barrier X(
Perkam
Last edited by perkam; 10-24-2007 at 11:29 AM.
I don't understand a bit.
Does it mean they want to release first 45 nm CPUs on market in H1 2008 or they'll just start producing and release it in H2 2008/H1 2009?
Fabtechs take.
AMD 45nm ramp revisited
Oct 22, 2007 at 10:26 AM
News from last week’s AMD conference call that told us the company would start production of 45nm microprocessors in the first half of 2008 shouldn’t be looked at from the point of view of ‘volume production.’ The message that should be taken from the news is that at some time in the first six months of next year, AMD may well have a small amount of devices entering the supply-chain.
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AMD has one big advantage over Intel at the 45nm node, namely the ability to push out the adoption of high-k dielectrics and metal gates until the 32nm node due to the use of SOI wafers.
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The 45nm migration should start ‘mid-year,’ but with new immersion tools required, both qualified and ramped, we would still expect ‘volume production’ to be in 2009, not 2008, with a significant amount of Fab 36 production switched to 45nm by 2Q09.
AMD has not been able to bring their 65nm process to the same level as 90nm. AMD's high-end CPU are still manufactured on 90nm. The process shrink from 90 to 65nm has hindered clock speed. Why do you think the shrink from 65 to 45nm would help clock speed?
To date Barcelonas < 1.8GHz are rare; I have never seen a 2GHz for sell. I'm just wondering how you reason AMD going from, struggling to produce 2GHz(quad) @ 65nm to 3GHz(quad) @ 45nm is likely?
Last edited by Sup3rman; 10-24-2007 at 01:11 PM.
Well I can't say much as it is, but retail Phenom X4s coming this November/December will reach current k8 speeds with ease.
Salvadar, no one's expecting these before 2009 as it is, which is fine by me as long as they improve steppings and yields on Barcelona throughout 2008.
Perkam
Will they ever make a dual-core Barcelona that doesn't rely on having two cores disabled? That'd be the first step towards making money.
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what i really dont understand
i know the benifits of SOI,your Cs and Cd decreases drammaticly and Id is increased about 30%
=> so this should be good
But why is everyone having trouble with SOI then?
can someone please fill me in
It's starting to look up for AMD
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@Bobsama, I thought that dual core Barcelona/Phenom was a standard dual core (maybe with some quads with 2 bad/disabled cores).
@Sup3rman, the shrink from 90nm to 65nm was just a shrink and yeah isn't yielding as good apparently as 90nm (though it has gotten much better). But if AMD has been putting more focus on 45nm that might be the reason why 65nm suffered some, they devoted more time/resources to getting 45nm perfected. Just throwing that out there as a possibility.
Last edited by Cooper; 10-24-2007 at 04:08 PM.
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Positive and Negative about AMD are fine, as with other threads, lets just not invite the blue team over as this isn't about them
I have tried multiple times to ask Mr. Poncho, who happens to be an Intel employee, to mind his own business so as not to derail the thread with sarcastic and jeering posts but he doesn't seem to respond.
He is an intel employee after all and Fugger has such good relations with Intel, I can't forcefully throw him out, so there's little more I can do. Some people just can't respect the wishes of others.
@Bobsama, native dualcore k10 is codenamed Kuma and is coming end of q1 2008.
Perkam
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i cant wait , 2x3870's a Phemon(anom) in a sweeet new Am2+ mobo would be awesome.
even tho intel have top cpu's atm i'm diggin the cheap prices amd is sellin the 6000+ unlocked multi and such , it works out 80 euro cheaper than an e6600
gl amd , you'll need it
Q1 09 would fit in nicely for a scheduled hardware update (AMD (past) to Intel (present) & back to AMD (future)).
perkam, so it's almost certainly SOI still then? I think SOI is needed for any future integration of ZRAM (possibly in Fusion maybe?) otherwise that money they threw at it would be wasted.
Honest question and not jeering. Will Kuma or Phenom X2 really be Native Dual Core or Phenom X4 with two dead cores? Seems to me that pressing out two and four core packages are counter productive given the failure rates of even good yields. We know both AMD and that other company has a propensity to lie and try to turn failure into triumph Look at what AMD said about Tri-Core or X3? The truth would have easily been accepted.
I hope I'm wrong but AMD will have to show me this improved Process. After the last two years their word (and many others BTW) is worthless IMHO. I hope like hell they get it right. Without Competition we'll sooner or later go back to the Days of X2 across the board high @$$ed prices. Simple Supply and Demand dictates that.
Originally Posted by Movieman
qft!Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
I read the whole thread before it was changed by Perkam. He said nothing wrong. Poncho you are acting like an idiot. Time would prove whether what Perkam said is true or not. Your coming into the thread with a clear trolling attitude is pathetic...
Anyway, here's to hoping Amd can get 45nm going well, they certainly need it...
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No more useless posts or discussions of mod requests. This is a public forum - not kindergarten. If you don't have anything interesting to say - don't say anything
Last edited by Cooper; 10-24-2007 at 04:09 PM.
To be quite honest, I could give a rats az who is or is not someone who works for any company or if they are a standard member of this forum.
Post the wrong crap you will receive the appropriate 'reward'.
If someone has a problem with a member of the XS Staff, take it to an Admin or Fugger directly.
Do Not bash any moderator in the open forum, I don't care if the moderator was/is wrong, YOU will be the one to receive the first reaction.
it'll be the same as with K8 Dual core and single (E6 venice cores were manchesters with 1 core disabled and E3 native single cores )
no chance amd gets enough "faulty" cores to supply a whole DC product line.
getting more and more interesting, and one side note:
65nm has surpassed 90nm with the ne G2 revision brisbane chips (used in be and 5000 black edition)
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Last edited by Zytek_Fan; 10-24-2007 at 04:49 PM.
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Last edited by Donnie27; 10-24-2007 at 05:17 PM.
Originally Posted by Movieman
qft!Posted by duploxxx
I am sure JF is relaxed and smiling these days with there intended launch schedule. SNB Xeon servers on the other hand....
Posted by gallag
there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
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