2009 Nissan GT-R

[trance565]

And then watch what Nismo do with the Nissan

yes, the nismo? well i dont think i've ever actually seen a nismo on US roads. but if they happen to do something, it might be enough to keep up with the 2nd year zr1's(which will be more powerful)

[Stewie007]

In the Skyline, with is bloody clever 4-wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, Yaw control etc etc. It's an awful lot faster in real world conditions on real roads. Plus the gizmos of the Skyline would give you a lot more confidence (I can personally vouch for this, I drove a very fast TVR and then a Subaru STi, the TVR on paper is much quicker but in real life I could go much faster in the Scooby because I wasn't so afraid of launching myself into a tree).

Well, it sounds good on paper. But we'll have to actually see how it does on real roads. Cause a Z06 can take on Ferrari's, and Porsche's and beat them too. In the end, its not gonna be a blow out.

[trance565]

Well, it sounds good on paper. But we'll have to actually see how it does on real roads. Cause a Z06 can take on Ferrari's, and Porsche's and beat them too. In the end, its not gonna be a blow out.

lol, shouldnt even mention the z06 lol, the zr1 comes out the same year, im sure it will be close to the same price.

[Stewie007]

Essentially, the GT-R and Corvette will share the same mission from different sides of the Ocean. To show that Germans and Italians aren't the only ones that can build performance machines. However, when it comes to class... I think the Italians take the cake.

We'll see some GT-r vs Corvette stuff.. But I think that we'll see alot more GT-r vs Porsche/Ferrari stuff.

In the performance class, both can take em. But Corvette has already built up good reputation in Europe now. The Nissan will take some time for the others to bother looking, because most of its history is in Asia.

[Stewie007]

lol, shouldnt even mention the z06 lol, the zr1 comes out the same year, im sure it will be close to the same price.

The Z06 is out now and has been highly tested against the Euro exotics. So it has proven numbers. Besides, it is much more evenly matched, and currently available.

[trance565]

The Z06 is out now and has been highly tested against the Euro exotics. So it has proven numbers. Besides, it is much more evenly matched, and currently available.

yes, but comparing a car that's out now, to a car thats GOING to be out in the FUTURE, doesnt seem right. besides, the zr1 is basically a z06+150-200hp, so it's just as proven as the z06, with a little extra grunt.

[arisythila]

hopfully it has the ATESSA-ETS in it. like the skylines before it.

[Stewie007]

It makes perfect sense. Heck, everybody already does that when they compare new car to old car, and hopped up car to stock car.

[IanY]

Asian guys could say the same thing about the Corvette, the Skyline has just as much history as the Corvette (it's oooolllllddd).

Personally I love the whole massive-performance-and-practicality thing. In this machine you can whip a Ferrari or 2... while coming back from the school run/shopping.

Can't forget that this car is probably one of the fastest A to B cars ever.

This Asian guy rather take a bullet through the brain than drive that Skyline. I wouldn't mind taking the Corvette if I can't drive what I want.

I happen to like to eat rice, and I seem quite irritated when stupid looking Japanese/Korean cars are called rice cars lol

[IanY]

And Nissan say it can do the ring in 7:44 or something mentally fast.

I want one so bad, it's just brimming with speed and hopefully it will have bags of potential in the engine. Mmmmm. Nice work Nissan.

Walter Rohrl's time at the 'Ring was 7:28 in a Carrera GT, 7:32 in a 997 GT2 and 7:39 in a 997 GT3... and all three are *stock* cars without any modifications. I don't see Nissan with the guts to do a show down against either of these cars. They go pick on the ordinary 911 Turbo passenger car. BTW, the 997 Turbo stock car does the 'Ring at 7:40 (recorded and confirmed), and so its still faster than the Skyline rofl .

We know that the stock F430 does the 'Ring in 7:55 and the stock 599GTB does the 'Ring at 7:59. I bet the Scuderia will do the 'Ring at about 7:35 and the Enzo should do the 'Ring at sub-7:30, but times have not been recorded.

6:55* - 178.699 km/h - Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05)
7:12* - 173.600 km/h - Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:28 - 166.652 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, Walther Roehrl, (Autobild 07/04)
7:32* - 164.071 km/h – Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/ 1230 kg, (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:34 - 163.586 km/h - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1418 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), oct,17-18 05
7:36 - 162.631 km/h - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (02)
7.39* - 161.575 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1395 kg, *mfr. (quote sport auto 05/06)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h – Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, 1001 PS/1980 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:40 - 161.217 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/ ??? kg, Michelin Cup Sport tyres (Motortrend)
7:42* - 160.519 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (*as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h - Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05), http://www.supercars.net/Pics?vpf2=y...ID=1384471&l=d
7:43 - 160.173 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:45* - 159.484 km/h - McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at www.pistonheads.tv
7:46 - 159.142 km/h - Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:48 - 158.463 km/h - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=91836
7.49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004), http://www.autobild.de/tuning/testbe...rtikel_seite=4
7:49 - 158.124 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:50 - 157.787 km/h - BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:50 - 157.787 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:52 - 157.119 km/h – Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=71646
7:52 - 157.119 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=92447
7:52 - 157.119 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 - 156.456 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3 (sport auto 06/03)
7:55 - 156.126 km/h - Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 - 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=67305
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 - 155.798 km/h - Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:58 - 156.652 km/h - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...=16841&t=16841
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting “Performance”, (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* - 154.822 km/h - Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:59 - 154.822 km/h - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, Dirk Schoymans (Autocar magazine 97)
7:59.41 154.690 km/h - Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec.C “prototype” (2004), www.subaru.com.hk/pdf/SNW0404.pdf
8:01.72 153.984 km/h - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, (Best Motoring video “Carrera Invasion”)

[GMX]

Wow I never knew the porsche road cars were faaster on the circuit compared to the F430s!

Totally different to the GT2 championship this year. Porsche drivers been moaning "Ferrari too fast"

[HungryForHertz]

Wow I never knew the porsche road cars were faaster on the circuit compared to the F430s!

Exactly what I was talking about.

Nissan are going to release at least one faster verson of the Skyline and I expect this version to match the z06. Guess we'll see.

[HungryForHertz]

Oh hang on...

http://www.egmcartech.com/2007/10/17...s-slr-mclaren/

[Stewie007]

Well, if its an 09 car, the Z06 won't be a production model anymore. It'll be the C7, Z07, ZR-1. It'll take more than the GT-R to steal Vette sales. The Vette's got it where it counts and it can prove it. So it'll be a tough competition for Euro Exotic ousters, since the Vette now can handle it well, and the next version will be a sincere improvement across the trim levels.

So it'll definately be a hard one for Nissan, I hope they have their marketing caps on. They are going to need it.

And that's not a blow to them from me. Its just an observation based on the fact that the Corvette has gained a world wide reputation now in the world community of performance cars. Because of that, they have inspired a lot of anticipation for the next Vette that it will be difficult for Nissan to outshine that in the eyes of a great deal of people in such an immediate sense as I think they want. And that's not to say that they don't intend on heavy marketing. I bet they do.

[HungryForHertz]

Well, if its an 09 car, the Z06 won't be a production model anymore. It'll be the C7, Z07, ZR-1. It'll take more than the GT-R to steal Vette sales. The Vette's got it where it counts and it can prove it. So it'll be a tough competition for Euro Exotic ousters, since the Vette now can handle it well, and the next version will be a sincere improvement across the trim levels.

So it'll definately be a hard one for Nissan, I hope they have their marketing caps on. They are going to need it.

And that's not a blow to them from me. Its just an observation based on the fact that the Corvette has gained a world wide reputation now in the world community of performance cars. Because of that, they have inspired a lot of anticipation for the next Vette that it will be difficult for Nissan to outshine that in the eyes of a great deal of people in such an immediate sense as I think they want. And that's not to say that they don't intend on heavy marketing. I bet they do.

No offense friend, but you obviously have no idea of the reputation of the Skyline. The Skyline has a worldwide reputation too, for being an absolute grip and performance monster for it's price, just like the Vette, except the Nissan is practical too.

The thing is is that there are Jap motor people and there are american domestic people. Doesn't matter how good the Vette may be to the Skyline or how good the Skyline may be compared to the Vette, very VERY few people will switch sides.

The way I see it, if the GT-R did run 7:35 like the link I posted says and this isn't the highest performance version to be released then the Blue Devil has a lot of work to do. IF the GTR ran 7:35.

[trance565]

No offense friend, but you obviously have no idea of the reputation of the Skyline. The Skyline has a worldwide reputation too, for being an absolute grip and performance monster for it's price, just like the Vette, except the Nissan is practical too.

The thing is is that there are Jap motor people and there are american domestic people. Doesn't matter how good the Vette may be to the Skyline or how good the Skyline may be compared to the Vette, very VERY few people will switch sides.

The way I see it, if the GT-R did run 7:35 like the link I posted says and this isn't the highest performance version to be released then the Blue Devil has a lot of work to do. IF the GTR ran 7:35.

the only ppl i hear ever talk about skylines are the asians, none of my american buddies, or european buddies ever mention it.

[HungryForHertz]

the only ppl i hear ever talk about skylines are the asians, none of my american buddies, or european buddies ever mention it.

Well performance car wise, Americans are EXTREMELY faithful to the US but anyone on the tuning scene knows of the Skyline. And everyone I know who knows anything about cars knows about the Skyline.

[Stewie007]

No offense friend, but you obviously have no idea of the reputation of the Skyline. The Skyline has a worldwide reputation too, for being an absolute grip and performance monster for it's price, just like the Vette, except the Nissan is practical too.

I don't think you're getting my point. I am not saying that the GT-R and skyline are garbage, no-body cares about, worthless no reputation cars. I think its well established that this car will be an impressive performer. However, I bet if you had the time, you could go do a little experiment.

Ask 100 random people what a Corvette is. Then ask 100 different random people what a Nissan Skyline is. You would note that you'd have to say Nissan, just so they don't start talking about cities. Most of the people that find the GT-R on the showroom floor will have seen it just then, as they wandered in. However, they wouldn't have had to walk into a Chevy dealership to know what a Corvette is. Skyline's have been around before, but not as many people know anything about them.

What I am saying is cold hard truth. That in America, it will take a sincere advertising effort. I challenge anyone to prove to me that it won't. Because any new model will require such an effort. You see all those 08 CTS commercials don't you. It was the same thing in 04. It doesn't mean that Nissan is weak. Calm down.

Its a fact, the Corvette is a household name as far as cars go over here in the States. Nissan Skyline is not. If we could truly poll the population, you would see what I mean. There is no question that a great deal of people are anticipating the arrival of the GT-R.

I am saying, that I think Nissan is gonna have some work ahead of them to push it through to success, and I wouldn't be against them succeeding. They haven't sold a Skyline over here for a while. There are reasons for that. But I doubt they will overturn alot of Vette faithfuls.

[trance565]

Well performance car wise, Americans are EXTREMELY faithful to the US but anyone on the tuning scene knows of the Skyline. And everyone I know who knows anything about cars knows about the Skyline.

oh, they know what the skyline is, they just dont care. they would rather have a supra, cobra, or ls1.

the only ... "tuners" around here who hail the skyline as a god, are the ricers.

[HungryForHertz]

oh, they know what the skyline is, they just dont care. they would rather have a supra, cobra, or ls1.

the only ... "tuners" around here who hail the skyline as a god, are the ricers.

I do not remember saying these people believed it to be a god.

[HungryForHertz]

I don't think you're getting my point. I am not saying that the GT-R and skyline are garbage, no-body cares about, worthless no reputation cars. I think its well established that this car will be an impressive performer. However, I bet if you had the time, you could go do a little experiment.

Ask 100 random people what a Corvette is. Then ask 100 different random people what a Nissan Skyline is. You would note that you'd have to say Nissan, just so they don't start talking about cities. Most of the people that find the GT-R on the showroom floor will have seen it just then, as they wandered in. However, they wouldn't have had to walk into a Chevy dealership to know what a Corvette is. Skyline's have been around before, but not as many people know anything about them.

What I am saying is cold hard truth. That in America, it will take a sincere advertising effort. I challenge anyone to prove to me that it won't. Because any new model will require such an effort. You see all those 08 CTS commercials don't you. It was the same thing in 04. It doesn't mean that Nissan is weak. Calm down.

Its a fact, the Corvette is a household name as far as cars go over here in the States. Nissan Skyline is not. If we could truly poll the population, you would see what I mean. There is no question that a great deal of people are anticipating the arrival of the GT-R.

I am saying, that I think Nissan is gonna have some work ahead of them to push it through to success, and I wouldn't be against them succeeding. They haven't sold a Skyline over here for a while. There are reasons for that. But I doubt they will overturn alot of Vette faithfuls.

Agreed... as you said, in the states.

But in any case, it doesn't matter if the general population know of the Vette, or Skyline because the general population won't be buying the car. A car enthusiast will be buying such a car. In the states, that buyer would know of both and even if the Skyline is a bit faster would still buy the Vette. Cause the population is faithful and they would know more about the car, but vice versa in Japan and a few european countries.

Not a lot of Skylines were sold in the US because they weren't legal there for ages and they have to be imported anyway. Just like the Vette to here.

[Stewie007]

Yikes, come on guys. Lets calm down... hehe.

[Stewie007]

But in any case, it doesn't matter if the general population know of the Vette, or Skyline because the general population won't be buying the car. A car enthusiast will be buying such a car.

And in the states, there are more Vette enthusiasts than Skyline enthusiasts.

[trance565]

I do not remember saying these people believed it to be a god.

yes but they are also the only ones who care around here. but that may just be the tx car enthusiasts attitude. either they dont care, or it's hailed as a god. those are the only two opinions i get. the ls1,cobra,supra,etc. guys will say it's a good car, but they dont care since you cant get a hold of it. might change, but that is the basic verdict about skylines around here.

[HungryForHertz]

Not it becomes clear that you are both talking about how the car will do in the US. If it isn't at dealerships then ofcourse sales of the Vette will destroy it.

If Skylines are going to be sold at dealerships (which I think they are going to be), It won't outsell the vette or get particularly close but I think it would make significant inroads for a Jap performance car in the states.