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    Dragon F1

    This is my latest project....Dragon F1 CPU ln2 unit. I posted some early pics in the 3d team forum with tons of quad performance numbers in 3dmark2006 here for those that didn’t see them:
    QUADZILLA This forum is prolly more proper for post like this.

    Here are some of my best results from that thread and some other results using both INTEL QX6700 B3, QX6850 GO quad cpus on the F1, and INTEL X6800XE B2 at nearly 2v 5400mhz 3d. This unit was 90% designed and tested with quads in 3dmark2006, and I have been working on it since last fall doing tons of benching on it. First few revs were overkill and it took awhile to get a nice feel/tune with the quad at 5.2ghz+ pushing 4 cores in 06. I wanted the perfect balance between ability to remove heat rapidly and swing control. This isn't the kind of unit that you run full of LN2 and sit there and watch as it warms up in cpu tests at high load with quad, then you pour more and more ln2 in the unit only to have it cold bug after cpu tests are done .
    F1 unit is just the opposite, and this is where the unit really shines. You run it by pouring much smaller amounts of LN2 into the unit more frequently, letting it go nearly empty between pours. It has ALOT of power for temperature pull down under load due to the massive base and surface design that is always there if you need it...hint cpu tests . The more you pour, the more pull down power the container has, but it is never too much as the internal base design causes really rapid boil off.

    All these test run with default card clocks as just emphasizing cpu overclock/power.
    QX6850 GO @5346mhz for full 3dmark2006 4 cores...sometimes you see guys posting high mhz with quad on 4 cores but they have throttling causing poor cpu scores due to cpu instability, not here 8500+ cpu score. Again these are real deal quad clocks, no disabling cores BS:


    QX6700 B3 @ 5145mhz for full 3dmark2006 4 cores:


    X6800XE B2 @5386/1.98v 3dmark 01:


    and the F1 pron:


    Next to new Evo2.4 unit for scale. It's massive and is cut from a huge copper block:


    F1 kit. Also comes with all necessary insulation both round and sheet to mount the unit:



    Pot mounted on a striker bare and fully insulated perfect fit even with heatpipe assembly:






    A ton of copper :


    Up to this point most of my units have been very limited run, but I am investing much more of my time and efforts into this now and I am really committed to trying to develop the best possible containers for benching. It is much easier to imitate then innovate I guess ....not what I am about.

    New evo2.4 revision pictured above comes with same kit as before incuding all mounting hardware and insulation. Didn’t bother with a lot of pics as the changes are mostly unseen and minor. Still a great and easy to use DI/ln2 unit and kit for entry-mid benching levels. Got some new tek9 gpu units coming that will be a nice step from current ones out there including my own. New gpu units will address some issues that need to be corrected with current gpu designs making them much more suitable for benching. Also some other cool items in the works for Xtreme benching ….soon.
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    u finally got to make thread
    looks good vince

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    I'm suprised you need a hold down kit for those pots Vince as they look so heavy

    Again these are real deal quad clocks, no disabling cores BS
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    that is a freaking beautiful pot.. it kinda reminds me of those pots that few members in team japan uses.. looks very cool
    how expensive are those pots ??
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    Looking great! How much does it weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiborrr View Post
    Looking great! How much does it weight?
    approx 6LB's...the block it is cut from is roughly 2-3 times that weight.

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    Does F1 mean Fatal1ty? That's a beautiful design.

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    Great looking pots, love the hold down design.

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    Nice to see a thread for these pots. Keep up the great work with your design and innovation.

    It is much easier to imitate then innovate I guess ....not what I am about.
    Great way to be, new ideas for cooling concepts are the way to make big advances and jumps in hw clocking.


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    Tnx King, appreciate the info. I am sure extra weight - mass will help with temperature fluctuation under heavy quadcore load and keeping the temperatures more steady.

    Great job! You have again given me some ideas what to do with 15kg copper tube we have left :P

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    It seems your all just getting to the point where you have so much copper that the thermal gradient at a given load = right below coldbug temperature!
    Hahaha great job tho Vince.


    If you have a cooling question or concern feel free to contact me.

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    The top mount is really convenient, and its really easy to just plop that single sleeve of insulation and go. Mounting takes a matter of seconds.

    The control is just perfect though, can change temps on a dime. You really can just barely dodge the cold bug and truly maximize CPU speeds with this design...love it to death. Everyone I've let hold it is immediately shocked by how heavy it is--it's even more massive than it looks.

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    I share some pics. It is so easy to control temp between -120~-125 C.








    Last edited by AndreYang; 09-16-2007 at 12:52 PM.

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    Spectacular pics of a spectacular pot there Andre! Good job Vince
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    Such a beautiful piece of work Vince, I'd like to see what TJ could do with one of these babies.

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    what about dry ice how does Dragon F1 perform with it ????
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    Looks very sweet
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreYang View Post
    I share some pics. It is so easy to control temp between -120~-125 C.
    Beautiful pics! Yours and Kevin's pics blow mine away
    Watch out for this guy, he's gonna be a wrecking ball on that unit once he gets in the groove. Doing some major FSB damage here:
    http://valid.x86-secret.com/records.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solarfall View Post
    what about dry ice how does Dragon F1 perform with it ????
    DI was never the focus of this project, always LN2... but I have heard from other experienced guys that have been playing with it that it does well on DI.
    Last edited by k|ngp|n; 09-17-2007 at 07:07 AM.

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    Any pics of the setup all iced up?
    Interested to see how the mounting and uninsulated areas go

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_M View Post
    Any pics of the setup all iced up?
    Interested to see how the mounting and uninsulated areas go
    with this sort off mounting u will have less frost and condens , than with any other mounting .
    its easyer to mount its cleaner and hell u can put more preseur on the core

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    Quote Originally Posted by blind_ripper View Post
    with this sort off mounting u will have less frost and condens , than with any other mounting .
    its easyer to mount its cleaner and hell u can put more preseur on the core
    Please explain this further.
    In the photos i see a pot being held down by a hold-down plate and bolts.
    No different to most other pots around including the two that i've used.

    Further to that i see a completely uninsulated hold-down mechanism and also some exposed surfaces of the pot, which in my neck of the woods is suicide for condensation issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_M View Post
    Please explain this further.
    In the photos i see a pot being held down by a hold-down plate and bolts.
    No different to most other pots around including the two that i've used.

    Further to that i see a completely uninsulated hold-down mechanism and also some exposed surfaces of the pot, which in my neck of the woods is suicide for condensation issues.
    This is an LN2 run, NO condensation no ice
    http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90...1/DSC00436.jpg
    However when dryicing a fan is requiered though, but blind is right this method of mounting is easier and better, not much but it is.

    Ontopic,
    Sick pot vince, equiped with you and a sick cpu makes sick results,

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_M View Post
    Please explain this further.
    In the photos i see a pot being held down by a hold-down plate and bolts.
    No different to most other pots around including the two that i've used.

    Further to that i see a completely uninsulated hold-down mechanism and also some exposed surfaces of the pot, which in my neck of the woods is suicide for condensation issues.
    Actually top mount is somewhat better with condensation issues as there are only two gaps for air to get it in below the unit at bottom of vertical insualtion and just under the holdown. The F1 unit pics are just showing off the container, I never bench with it like that.
    Don't try that at home kids ...always use your paper towel wraps around the unit holdown and your GOLD. Never have to take the main insulation off of the container with the type of mount the F1 uses, fastest and easiest mount I have used yet. I dont even use any sort of polish or anything in the socket area anymore at all.

    You can do something like OPB did if you really want to dig in and make the stack tight:
    Last edited by k|ngp|n; 09-20-2007 at 04:17 AM.

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    that's one clean insulation... and nice pic...

    OPB + F1 Pot = that one is worth watching

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