Dx10.1 Doesnt work on current direct 10 hardware

[cozwin]

http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=41577

Looks like everyone whos bought a dx10 video card just got screwed over pretty badly.

[SADS]

"Dx10.1 Doesnt work on current direct 10 hardware"

i'd have thought that would have been pretty obvious really, when you think that the manufacturers make the cards to the standards that are already and currently being implemented then when the next version of DX comes out the hardware in question will be outdated.

its not screwing over consumers in my eyes, its just the progress of the product continuing as usuall.

old hardware cannot support the new format so we'll have to wait for new hardware that can

[ginnz]

yea, well, thats just friggin rediculous.....next thing you know, you'll need to buy a new gfx card for 800+ bucks for every new game/ directx update..... wouldnt that be cool? ;-)

[Levish]

pretty sure most of us knew about it (i did) personally the card i bought was still the best choice for the price given its dx9 performance, dx10 was a afterthought

[stevecs]

Pretty darn obvious as SADS mentioned, but frankly, as an owner of 2 8800GTX's couldn't care less. never bought the cards for DX10* at all as had no intention of going to vista at all. Bought them for DX9 performance which they do VERY well at.

[cozwin]

i knew of dx 10.1 but i didnt expect new hardware the 9 series didnt need new hardware 9.0a,b,c etc. and then there is needing pci-e 2.0 its gonna start getting mad because microsoft can make a new dx10 every couple of months and youll need new hardware lol

[Jacky]

this is NO surprise

[cozwin]

Pretty darn obvious as SADS mentioned, but frankly, as an owner of 2 8800GTX's couldn't care less. never bought the cards for DX10* at all as had no intention of going to vista at all. Bought them for DX9 performance which they do VERY well at.

haha agreed same here im never going vista, peice of crap drm spying crap anyone on it should be slapped for being stupid imo, as dx10 is just around to get people to go to vista.

[naokaji]

i just bought a 8800 GTS 640 MB a few days ago....

do i feel screwed? no, why?

well... by the time the first games come out that will require one to have a dx10.1 compatible card, the cards performance will be "bad" anyway to what one can buy then... so it doesnt really matter...

[3NZ0]

http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=41577

Looks like everyone whos bought a dx10 video card just got screwed over pretty badly.

Not really and anyone who was able to afford a DX10 card should be able to sell it off and get a .1 card for a small loss.

Besides, most users with an 8 series or HD 2xxx use xp so the 'you bought this card for use with dx10' is mute, not that any dx10 games run well anyway.

[cozwin]

Not really and anyone who was able to afford a DX10 card should be able to sell it off and get a .1 card for a small loss.

Besides, most users with an 8 series or HD 2xxx use xp so the 'you bought this card for use with dx10' is mute, not that any dx10 games run well anyway.

lol yep

[oohms]

I thought the 2900xt was supposed to support dx10.1?

Anyway the people getting most screwed over by this are game developers. They havent really got the hang of making good/fast dx10 games, and now dx10.1?

Id rather they focus on dx9 and bring us some decent games instead.

[Shintai]

Most stupid article ever. And people who bought DX10 HW aitn screwed. Its small GFX changes, more audio changes. Its like saying all who bought DX9 HW 1-2 years before the Vista release was screwed.

The stupidity goes up day for day.

Next thing is 65nm CPU buyers got screwed because we got SSE4 now with 45nm!!!

[Lane-k]

If each time i will buy a new powerful card, i m affraid of lost money when better come out, or when something like this happend, i will certainly got only a Xbox or
PS...

Anyway: In old preview of DX10.1, the ATI was describe like be designed with the compability for it, i don't know yet if it's again of actuality or not.. ( like HDMI onboard/GPU sound is one part of DX10.1, and absolute necessity for got the, label " DX10.1 compatible", and if it was only for that..)

I will report with the bexond 3D review of the AMD Tech days 2007 if it's question of this, like they talk a lot about DX10 and DX10.1 (if i don't make a mistake)

The times games begin be developped right now for DX10.1 come out.. good luck, for see that in six month.

[Syn.]

haha agreed same here im never going vista, peice of crap drm spying crap anyone on it should be slapped for being stupid imo, as dx10 is just around to get people to go to vista.

you know i keep hearing people moan about DRM yet i have been using Vista since January and i am yet to find any DRM. Its windows for every security feature there is a bypass DRM will never stop anyone, just couse problems for less fortunate users. DX10 came with Vista only because MS wanted to make a fresh start with DX and Vista was the perfect OS to do it from its only because insecure users such as yourselves we are stuck in between two generations. You may not know this but DX10 is actually a pretty good API, the only people you saw talking against it are console lovers or John Carmack the biggest anti-DX developer ever who has been with OpenGL forever.

This DX10.1 update mainly introduces an improvement in something that most game developers ignore these days, that is off course sound. Sure it has few nice shade updates but introduces new XAduio2 and stricter DX compliance which means better games.

So slap me all you want but i am still going to be enjoying Vista and all the new features that come out.

[trainee]

so what hardware will be the first to support it? Im guessing niether g92 or r700 since they are already pretty far along.

[lowfat]

pretty sure most of us knew about it (i did) personally the card i bought was still the best choice for the price given its dx9 performance, dx10 was a afterthought

exactly. But the time and full fledged DX10 games are out there, a lot of use will have upgraded to new videocards.

[3NZ0]

Who cares, by the time DX 10.1 is common in games your current DX10 card will be obsolete.

By the the time dx10.1 is common in games your current dx10.1 card will be obsolete.

dx10.1.1 is where it's at

[deathman20]

haha agreed same here im never going vista, peice of crap drm spying crap anyone on it should be slapped for being stupid imo, as dx10 is just around to get people to go to vista.

Well better start with me then. Vista is a fine OS, yes it does have some things in it that are annoying but one thing is for sure DRM is not hindering the performance of the OS from what XP Pro can do. Sure new things like HD-DVD and Blu-Ray theres DRM there but with the rest of the stuff, well I can do everything I did back in XP as I can do in Vista. Yes its more of a resource hog but then again why are you using XP compared to Win2k or 98 then? Since XP is bloated compared to those. So its a moot point everything will grow in size over time and add more features that we like or dislike and a huge one for me is ease of installation, because it makes my life easier installing the OS on friends, family and eventually work computers than XP ever was.


As well yup knew the DX10.1 was around the corner and thought the 2900XT was actually part of that standard myself but eh what ever. I bought it for more DX9 performance as well to see when DX10 stuff came out that I could at least try it and see if it will be worth an upgrade for the DXte 10 aspect on the next gen cards coming out between 6 and 12 months from now.

[[XC] gomeler]

I think the world's average IQ just dropped 5 points with the release of this article.

[Sparky]

the INQ

'nuff said

[Cybercat]

God forbid the Inq should be run by people who know something about hardware. When was the last time Microsoft released a new version of DX that ran on previous generation hardware?

i knew of dx 10.1 but i didnt expect new hardware the 9 series didnt need new hardware 9.0a,b,c etc. and then there is needing pci-e 2.0 its gonna start getting mad because microsoft can make a new dx10 every couple of months and youll need new hardware lol

Yes, they did. You couldn't run floating point HDR on a Radeon X800XT, because it supported DX9b, not DX9c. And PCIe 2.0 will be back-compatible.

I feel sorry for all those that bought i486's. Vista won't even run on them! What a ripoff!

[Major_A]

This is why early adopters get the shaft with no KY. I've said it before and I'll say it again, never buy something of it's first generation. I wouldn't buy a car the first year it was introduced nor a computer part. Things take time to mature and progressively get better.

[cozwin]

you know i keep hearing people moan about DRM yet i have been using Vista since January and i am yet to find any DRM. Its windows for every security feature there is a bypass DRM will never stop anyone, just couse problems for less fortunate users. DX10 came with Vista only because MS wanted to make a fresh start with DX and Vista was the perfect OS to do it from its only because insecure users such as yourselves we are stuck in between two generations. You may not know this but DX10 is actually a pretty good API, the only people you saw talking against it are console lovers or John Carmack the biggest anti-DX developer ever who has been with OpenGL forever.

This DX10.1 update mainly introduces an improvement in something that most game developers ignore these days, that is off course sound. Sure it has few nice shade updates but introduces new XAduio2 and stricter DX compliance which means better games.

So slap me all you want but i am still going to be enjoying Vista and all the new features that come out.

wow good rant lol, btw mate you dont see drm stuff its there and there is no way around it,read all the articles on reviewing sites its a peice of junk to make the movie producers and other people who hate piracy happy, and just look at vista sales figures and how people made dell start selling pcs with xp again it just shows people dont want vista, yes there are some nice features in vista i agree but there is too much crap in, the loss to gain ratio just doesnt cut it for me.

[h@RRy]

Personally I see a problem with this...
Thats like saying that people should *expect* to pay a premium every time M$ releases a DX revision...If anyone can give me an example of a mainstream card that was DX9.0b compatible BUT NOT 9.0c(compatible) I am all ears to hear your counter. I see this as shafting the consumer big time, so in effect if this *is* true(INQ...)then people got duped into buying a card that could only support ONE revision of DX10 and in the lifetime of any API there will always be more than 1 revision by default, so in essence, NONE OF THESE CARDS TRULY SUPPORT DX10 in its entirety...so in my mind this a roundabout admission that DX10 is FUBAR, always was, joke's on you jack, buy a new card(s) because we sold you something that was inherently broken...I don't think this will sit well with ANYBODY; from consumer to manufacturer.

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