Are new G0 chips really too good OCers? - No!

[Pete@X]

Not bad at all, i would say:

4GHz under Water @ 1,48

[LyP0]

How is it every time that the better "B" chips go to Europe and Asia and we get the lesser "A" chips here in the USA? This is the e6600 story all over again...

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

[LagunaX]

Not bad at all, i would say:

4GHz under Water @ 1,48

Another European "B" chip probably...

[adamsleath]

i havent seen anyone post a "b" chip ; any examples?

[dogsx2]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

How much of that is tax?

[Pete@X]

i havent seen anyone post a "b" chip ; any examples?

E6750 L719B174 @4GHz :

[Lu(ky]

What should the max temps be? Nothing over 60c on both cores?

[adamsleath]

lol
ny others?
mine does much the same as that....and its an A...but not an e6750.

[Blauhung]

I think I can explain what we are seeing here:


The G0 stepping is a great improvement for Intel. It runs cooler and with less voltage. The side effect that this community is seeing is that poor quality (i'm speaking in terms of manufacturing quality) chips can now operate within the same thermal/energy envelope at speed bins that their earlier brethren were hitting.

You must always keep in mind that Intel is trying to do the exact same thing we are. Squeeze every last bit of clock speed they can out of the chips they make; only Intel has MUCH more stringent terms of what they consider 24/7 stable then this community does. the G0 stepping was huge because it means that the chips that might have been cache fused and marked as low end because they required too much energy or put off too much heat due to some oddities in their manufacturing. can now be used on the much more profitable middle of the road to performance market. I'm going to guess that this is why the price of the new 6*50 chips is much lower then those of similar speed in the 6*00 lineup.

Boils down to mean that the lower end chips are going to have a much higher chance to be just that, lower end. The large amount of scaling is still there at the high end chips cause they didn't get a bump for their speed by much. There still are going to be some chips on the low end that do well, but your chances are probably much smaller.

[scwam]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

Our minimum wage here in the US is $6.25 per hour. With rent costing typically $700 per month it's probably all relative when compared to your wages. Not many people (average people) make more than $11 per hour.

[palese]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

And you should

[LogAn'sRun]

man, this is so OT:
the Cost Of Living is all relative. No, people in Germany are not making more money than you. On a whole, EU is in the same boat as the US, perhaps our wages might be a tad higher but that's in reflection to the weak dollar.
Look at the big mac index. Or try the Latte index, you'll see that it's extremely comparable. So, why should we pay more for the same product? It's not like EU cars are any cheaper in the states right? So paying 299euros is like one big sharp stick in the eye. .. .
BTW, tax here is 25%, can't speak for Germany, but I would guess that it's similiar.

[michaLcoughliN]

im making $16.38 as an apprentice. been there for 8 months.. getting another raise upto $18 something / hour. I pull in right now over $2800/month :P

being 22 yrs old its not so bad end of my apparenticeship ill be making $25-30 an hour

[zsamz_]

the thing is in europe the retailers are gouging the buyers not only in cpus but almost everything
all retailers paying the same but some makin more $$$

[OBR]

Here is my Retail E6850 ...





It seem our theory about Great Ocers E6850 and worst cheapest E6x5x chips should be right ...

My First look at this Retail is impressive ... 3600MHz Orthos stable at 1.44V (in bios AUTO) ... with great temps (in room i have 28 degrees) ...



Now is a two hours stable at 3914MHz@1.55V

[XtremeTiramisu]

excellent work so far QBR, I'd love to see if you can do 3.8ghz+ under 1.5v loaded.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=151936

[pvhk]

very promising!
can't stand to have mine....

[OBR]

Little Progress now .. 3.914MHz Orthos stable at 1.55V in BIOS, 4GHz benchable but not Orthos stable with lower oltage then 1.65V ... (need more testing and tweaking)

[MikalCarbine]

Is 1.55v safe for 24/7 under WC on these chips?

[OBR]

1.55 is pretty good for me, under my watercooling is Orthos temp max 64 in this hot days ... and in normal work about max 50 ... important is not a voltage, but temps - look at Vapochilled cpus ...

[XtremeTiramisu]

3.825ghz needs about 1.55v in BIOS to get Orthos stable so in other words it's roughly about 1.5v under load in windows??

If I get a E6850, my goal for absolute max 24/7 is ~1.5v loaded (Not in BIOS becouse every mobo is different) and at that voltage I'm aiming at least 3.8ghz and higher on air.

Do you think it's possible OBR?

[OBR]

Now i am finding max stable frequency at 1.55V in BIOS (real 1.53-1.54V). I am at 3.914MHz now and seems to be Orthos stable for first hour ... test will run to morning, then i can to say it is stable ...

But 3900MHz at 1.55V in bios is very satisfactory for me ...

When i find max stable at 1.55V, i will decrease voltage for 3800MHz max stability, it will be my 24/7 power. I think this cpu will be fully stable at 1.50V on 3800MHz ...

[JB87]

Cause here in europe we pay more for the same stuff. Your 266 dollar q6600 is aubout 299 euro's over here. Wich is 412 dollar and 74 cents instead of the 192.81 euro it SHOULD be. So why shouldent we get stuff that clocks higher. For the money we pay for a e6750 you can get a e6850 and you'll probably save some money as well.

You can get a Q6600 for 240 in holland right now, even before the price drops

http://www.sww.nl/index.cfm?fuseacti...TOKEN=32068547
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/15035...SB-Boxed).html

[mursaat]

Wow Hardware Discount is €831,81 in that list :O

If you click its €498, not better either

[JB87]

Wow Hardware Discount is €831,81 in that list :O

If you click its €498, not better either

I'm not surprised looking at that shops crappy rating on the left
(Having cpu's in stock is a bad thing when none want to buy your stuff).