AMD Phenom Logo is a fake?

[saaya]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40227



that pic looks fake to me...
the size of the logo doesnt fit to the design at all, neither does the color.
and ferrari always used amd in red black or white letters, whatever fits their design and ignored amds original logo and name colors.

maybe amd or ferrari didnt manage to get the new phenom logo onto the helmet for that gp as they promised.
since they hinted at it they faked these 2 pics to be able to show the logo anyways?
after all this is the amd logo guys who should be able to fake pics easily.
id expect a better fake from a logo designer actually

or maybe that site faked the 2 pics to get attention?

[saaya]

look at the other pics on that site showing the helmet.
there are pics of diferent cars and helmets.
car and helmet with all ads, and car and helmet with almost no ads and barcode like space keepers. there are 3 diferent versions of the helmet with the barcode space keepers.

1. black triangle on the sides of the helmet going up to the top.
plane amd logo on black background






2. white band on the side of the helmet
amd phenom logo on white background






3. white band on the side of the helmet
plain amd logo on white background






is it normal that there are so many different versions of the helmet?
is it normal to switch between 3 different helmets?

[saaya]

why i think its a fake:

1. position, the logo doesnt fit on the space of the helmet its put on at all, it doesnt merge with the design.
it looks like a sticker put on top of the design or something painted on top.

2. color, ferrari always used their own colors and whatever color fits the design, they rarely used amd colors.
they usually used red and black, white and red, white and black, black and red.
so basically ferrari colors, to draw the amd logo or the three letters amd. there is a blue comet thing in the phenom logo.
there is no blue paint anywhere on the helmet, everything else is in red black and white.

3. size, the new logo is 1 third the size of the old amd logo and wont be seen from far away.

4. amd never used a product logo on a ferrari before as far as i know.

5. what kind of a product logo is this anyways? it wont fit on cases or websites since the shape is completely off.
the comet like thing is too stretched from left to right to fit properly on the usual pc sticker. it will leave a lot of space below it.

[GMX]

Yes race drivers have a few helmets for sure!

It looks like a sticker if anything that logo. The added drag to the Schuberth helmet ain't good


Raikkonen always has awesome helmets

[Neon Biker]

I don't think it's anything fake. In qualifying I saw a close-up of Massa's helmet with the AMD Phenom logo while he was waiting in his car in the pits.

[saaya]

I don't think it's anything fake. In qualifying I saw a close-up of Massa's helmet with the AMD Phenom logo while he was waiting in his car in the pits.

really?
did it look like it was a thin sticker or did it look like a paintjob?

dunno, maybe i just dont want to believe its real because it looks crappy imo

[Soulburner]

Looks like a sticker.

[Neon Biker]

Well, sticker or not, I saw it whith my own eyes on live TV. Even if it was just a sticker, what's the big deal? Maybe they didn't have the time to make new helmets or something.

[spainis]

I expected much more. But got just a sticker.

[Colossous]

After all, it would be unusual for AMD/ATI to not be on time with there releases !!

[Starscream]

it doesnt have to be fake.
F1 drivers like said usualy only have some 2 or 3 helmets.

these helmets have all the grafix and sponsorship (the deals that are for a year or longer) deals airbrushed on and then the helmet gets a coating.
Short sponsorship deals that only go for a race or 2 and special things (like when a sponsor wants to advertise a new product for a race or 2) usualy gets added onto the helmet with a sticker so that it later can be removed again.
This to avoid that the driver has to go out and have a new helmet made just for those few races.

the same thing can also be seen sometimes with the cars.
Sometimes u see mid weekend that a few men of a team are adding a new temporary sticker to a car for a short sponsership deal (usually only seen witht he small teams that need the money).

the main reason why this is likely a sticker like i described above is cause the rest of the helmet has this nice shinny look and the sticker doesnt wich means that the AMD logo isnt part of the art work.

@Saaya

1: Sponser logos rarely are adjusted to the design of the helmet.
this cause the logo must stay recognisable. If AMD wants the logo to stay on the helmet for a longer period of time im shure hel have a new helmet made where the logo is airbrushed on etc (i once saw the dude in F1 that takes care of the driver helmets its already a few years back but back then it was 1 guy who took care of all drivers so therefor this could very well be a temporary sticker).

2:
not true, the helmet is owned by the drivers and they have full freedom with its design etc. Just check the helmets of a few drivers whos helmet design hasnt changed in years and they used the same helmet with various teams.
For example Michael Schumacher had a helmet with alot of blue on its top. He Had this helmet with Benetton and in his first years in ferrari.
Alot of drivers adjust their helmet design to the colours of the car or the sponsors but not all usually they change the design cause it resembles the design of the other team driver to much and they want to be easier to recognize.

3: non of the sponsor logos on any of the helmets can usually be seen from far away and specialy not when their driving. The sponsors on the helmets are usualy seen when the divers are in the pits and when camera crews and the press take photos.
Raikonnen also has AMD on his helmet so checking pics of his helmet on the sunday should laos show the new logo.

4: dunno tbh, do know Intel has with BMW.
I agree however that if AMD wanted to show of the new logo they would have showed it of on the back wing of the car and not on the helmets wich can be hardly seen.

[GMX]

4: dunno tbh, do know Intel has with BMW.
I agree however that if AMD wanted to show of the new logo they would have showed it of on the back wing of the car and not on the helmets wich can be hardly seen.

Wrong. The rear wing, engine cover, front wing main profile, mirrors, some parts near the sidepods are all owned by Phil Collins - Marlboro. If AMD wanted to put something on that, they'd have to come to a deal with Mr Collins

[bug850-4300]

Wrong. The rear wing, engine cover, front wing main profile, mirrors, some parts near the sidepods are all owned by Phil Collins - Marlboro. If AMD wanted to put something on that, they'd have to come to a deal with Mr Collins

I think its Philip Morris actually. and most sponsorship logos are stickers, I have a rear wing endplate (Midland 2006) and its covered in the damned things!

[GMX]

I think its Philip Morris actually. and most sponsorship logos are stickers, I have a rear wing endplate (Midland 2006) and its covered in the damned things!

Ok, whoever is head of Marlboro.

But Stickers & Midland. It's because they dont have such a large flexible budget. Sponsors come and go, not worth it for them to paint. Also Paint job gives the car a bit less drag, extreme i know lol. Torro Rosso recently switched from stickers to full paint.

[STEvil]

Weight as well.

[Jakg]

look at the other pics on that site showing the helmet.
there are pics of diferent cars and helmets.
car and helmet with all ads, and car and helmet with almost no ads and barcode like space keepers. there are 3 diferent versions of the helmet with the barcode space keepers.

1. black triangle on the sides of the helmet going up to the top.
plane amd logo on black background






2. white band on the side of the helmet
amd phenom logo on white background






3. white band on the side of the helmet
plain amd logo on white background






is it normal that there are so many different versions of the helmet?
is it normal to switch between 3 different helmets?

Helmets are vital - one nock and their dead - you walk up to your table and hit it with your hand and it falls on the floor - a flashback of Kubica's accident happens in your head and you reach for the safety of Helmet #2

[Starscream]

Wrong. The rear wing, engine cover, front wing main profile, mirrors, some parts near the sidepods are all owned by Phil Collins - Marlboro. If AMD wanted to put something on that, they'd have to come to a deal with Mr Collins

wrong
a: coming to a deal with mr morris could be pretty easy as several of the countrys were f1 races are held dont allow for tobacco advertising in sports on those races the tobacoo company names are removed from the cars.
ferrari usualy removes the name and replaces it with black stripes others usualy replace them with the driver name or a slogan or soemthing like that.
So if AMD rly wanted to use the top of the wing wich is sponsored by Marlboro im shure it would be doable in some races unless ofc they have some stupid rule that prevents such thing.

b: not the entire wing is covered with Marlboro the side is covered with AMD and that is what i meant with that if AMD rly wanted to show the new logo of they would have put it on the wing.

btw the sidepods are Shell and a few small parts near the rear tires are small companys non of em tobacco ferari would be stupid to cover the entire team with tobacco stuff since more and more countrys are banning them.

agree on Midland.
around the end of Midland they had problems finding sponsors that wanted to sign a deal that lasted a year or longer. they could only find sponsors that wanted to sponsor them for 1 or 2 races at a time. So to cut down on costs they simply put the sponsor logos on the car with stickers.

When teams start changing sponsors every few races and start using stickers to put the logos on is usualy a sign of financial trouble and them having real problems.
when they start using big black stickers to cover up sponsors that arent sponsoring them anymore is the biggest sign of money problems cause that usualy means nobody wants to sponsor them.


@Jakg
true.
Saw it a while ago on TV. them helmets got so many shock absorbing things in them,
So that if uve had a crash with ur car and even if the helmet hasnt got a scratch the inside can stil be damaged (dmged as in it has doen its absorbing job) so they just throw or give the helmet away and take another one cause that helmet has been compromised.

on the bits of so many diffrent helmets:
you got no idea when those pictures were made and when the new logo was added.
some pics could be from before it got added etc.

im not saying the logo is real but im also not saying its fake.
Cause theres no way of knowing for shure unless you could have a word with the guy that works with the helmets.

[GMX]

wrong
a: coming to a deal with mr morris could be pretty easy as several of the countrys were f1 races are held dont allow for tobacco advertising in sports on those races the tobacoo company names are removed from the cars.
ferrari usualy removes the name and replaces it with black stripes others usualy replace them with the driver name or a slogan or soemthing like that.
So if AMD rly wanted to use the top of the wing wich is sponsored by Marlboro im shure it would be doable in some races unless ofc they have some stupid rule that prevents such thing.

b: not the entire wing is covered with Marlboro the side is covered with AMD and that is what i meant with that if AMD rly wanted to show the new logo of they would have put it on the wing.

btw the sidepods are Shell and a few small parts near the rear tires are small companys non of em tobacco ferari would be stupid to cover the entire team with tobacco stuff since more and more countrys are banning them.

agree on Midland.
around the end of Midland they had problems finding sponsors that wanted to sign a deal that lasted a year or longer. they could only find sponsors that wanted to sponsor them for 1 or 2 races at a time. So to cut down on costs they simply put the sponsor logos on the car with stickers.

When teams start changing sponsors every few races and start using stickers to put the logos on is usualy a sign of financial trouble and them having real problems.
when they start using big black stickers to cover up sponsors that arent sponsoring them anymore is the biggest sign of money problems cause that usualy means nobody wants to sponsor them.


@Jakg
true.
Saw it a while ago on TV. them helmets got so many shock absorbing things in them,
So that if uve had a crash with ur car and even if the helmet hasnt got a scratch the inside can stil be damaged (dmged as in it has doen its absorbing job) so they just throw or give the helmet away and take another one cause that helmet has been compromised.

on the bits of so many diffrent helmets:
you got no idea when those pictures were made and when the new logo was added.
some pics could be from before it got added etc.

im not saying the logo is real but im also not saying its fake.
Cause theres no way of knowing for shure unless you could have a word with the guy that works with the helmets.

The barcode on the mirrors, engine cover, rear wing, front wing main profile are all marlboro replacements (for tobacco banning). Do you have any idea how much Ferrari gets in sponsorship from Marlboro? Knowing that, it is extremely dumb to remove their logo on tobacco banned races. That barcode is another Marlboro label.

Remember BAR Honda? Full Tobacco title sponsorship . What was written on their car when it was banned?

Stickers are also signs of new deals. I recall Silverstone 1993. Mclaren signed a deal with the some wine organization. They wanted to place the stickers (no time for paint in this case, was more than issue of come and go) on the mirrors and parts of the front wing. This part again (surprise surprise) although unlabeled at the time was "owned" by Mr Morris. They just got the deal done in time and permission from Morris to put them on for the Silverstone GP Weekend in 1993.

[Starscream]

The barcode on the mirrors, engine cover, rear wing, front wing main profile are all marlboro replacements (for tobacco banning). Do you have any idea how much Ferrari gets in sponsorship from Marlboro? Knowing that, it is extremely dumb to remove their logo on tobacco banned races. That barcode is another Marlboro label.

in a few years Tobacco will b fully banned in formula 1 wich is the main reason why no team is fully sponsored by tobacco. further that bar code isnt an official label but it is so widly used in motor sports that its recognised by everyone as meaning Marlboro wich is one of the reasons why Marlboro keeps sponsoring Ferrari even tho at alot of races they cant put the brand name Marlboro on the car. Ecclestone doesnt ban such unofficla logos cause then the tobacco company wouldnt want to be main sponsor of an F1 team but that wont matter for longer as more and more countrys start banning such sponsoring.

[quote]
Remember BAR Honda? Full Tobacco title sponsorship . What was written on their car when it was banned?[quote/]

BAR was not fully sponsored by Tobacco. BAT was their main sponsor covering most of the car but not their only, not a single team is so stupid to have only 1 sponsor. and like said in my previous post when Tobacco sponsored cars race in countrys were such sponsoring is banned they replace the name with something else. BAR was one of the teams that replaced Lucky Strike with Lucky One and other things like that. Just like in the past Jorden replaced Benson and Hedges with: Bitten and Hisses or things like that. btw i already mentioned in my previous post that they replace the name with something else.


and one of the main reasons BAR had so much Tobacco names on them in the first year (2 Tobacco names) was cause BAR had the brilliant idea to give their 2 cars diffrent colours and sponsors 1 was Red and White and mostly covered with Lucky Strike stuff and the otehr was Blue and yellow and mostly covered with 555. This was illegal cause both cars of a team have to be mostly identical so they ended up by puttign 555 and Lucky strike on both cars.

Stickers are also signs of new deals. I recall Silverstone 1993. Mclaren signed a deal with the some wine organization. They wanted to place the stickers (no time for paint in this case, was more than issue of come and go) on the mirrors and parts of the front wing. This part again (surprise surprise) although unlabeled at the time was "owned" by Mr Morris. They just got the deal done in time and permission from Morris to put them on for the Silverstone GP Weekend in 1993.

and like i said in both my previous posts.
one of the many reasons why teams sometimes use stickers is cause they didnt have time to make new parts with painted logos.


and btw in the first part of ur post u saw Marlboro would be stupid to remove their logo in banned races and at the end you name a moment were Marlboro allowed Mclaren to remove the barcode marlboro logo and replace it with a temp sponsor? So marlboro would be stupid todo it even tho they have already done it?

[GMX]

and btw in the first part of ur post u saw Marlboro would be stupid to remove their logo in banned races and at the end you name a moment were Marlboro allowed Mclaren to remove the barcode marlboro logo and replace it with a temp sponsor? So marlboro would be stupid todo it even tho they have already done it?

Where did i say that

I said it was OWNED by him, but unlabelled. The barcode IS = Marlboro. It's just a loophole they found to get around anti tobacco rubbish.


I said BAT was a TITLE SPONSOR. You know what even means? Not 1 sponsor? What's ING then? What state of sponsor are they. What about Vodaphone. Mega rolling eyes at your pickyness and lack of understanding.

Now yes they replaced it, but it still advertised BH, BAT, Marlboro with a smart loophole. It meant the SAME bloody thing. I'm talking to a wall.

[Starscream]

Where did i say that

I said it was OWNED by him, but unlabelled. The barcode IS = Marlboro. It's just a loophole they found to get around anti tobacco rubbish.

like said a sponsor doesnt OWN anything he owns the right to a spot on a car and decides what comes onit within boundrys.
And like you said Mclaren put the name/label of the temp sponsor on that spot with the Ok of the company that like you said OWNED that spot.
So again at start you say Marlboro would be stupid to do it and then you say they have done it in the past.

and that barcode ISNT Marlboro as it isnt an official logo its just something that all the marlboro teams use and everyone knows it stands for Marlboro but it is not (as stupid as it may sound) an official logo all the tobacco companys have such non official logos simply to use them in such banned areas.
Lucky Strike has the big red dot with black ring around it. 555 has them yellow moon shaped bits, West has the lil red wingy thing.

Further it aint a real loophole, like i said before Ecclestone can easily ban those logos but wont cause he knows that then the tobacco companys will leave.
Ecclestone cant do jack about teams using the colours of the sponsor on banned races (cause they are colours) but could do alot against teams using symbols that are connected to the banned sponsor names.
Ecclestone is a nutjob but his word is law in F1 country as he owns the rights etc. and if he today says: next race no logos that are linked to tobacco companys then thats the law but like said he wont.


but were getting off-topic bigtime :P
hasanyone got pics of Massas helmet from the US GP? to check if it stil has the logo?

[[XC] leviathan18]

did you guys know that marlboro pays the salary of the drivers at ferrari (thats 45mm for kimi and it was 56mm for schumi) even if the marlboro name doesnt appear...

the red and white alone resembles the marlboro box enough for them... they wotn stop givin money to ferrari believe me