What to get? 2500 or 1700?

[demonized]

Hi I was gonna buy a 2500 since alot of people seem to be get atleast 2.2ghz from it. But now the jiuhb dlt3c 1700's are available again in my area. should i still get the barton 2500 wich at 2.2 with get me up to 3200 or get the 1700 which would only me at 2800 at 2.3ghz.? im not ssure about the ratings so pls correct me if im wrong.

[saaya]

1700@2300mhz(11.5x200) would be a 3100+ i mean a real 3100+, it would beat a P4 @ 3.1ghz! the barton pr rating is extremely exagerated.

[antipop]

You don't have to look at the pr rating cause it's
However the barton with the added cache can beat a higher clocked Tbred, it'll then depend on your luck and on your cash.

[gobbo]

I'd say 1700+ defo.
At same clock speeds, Barton only has an exrta 2-3% speed advantage over the Tbred core.

[CCW]

Id say 1700+ too, Barton doe shave extra cache but wont give a big enough performance gain atm.

Craig

[Volcom]

GO the 1700

[saaya]

unless you want to fold that is... i think barton really score on apps like that.

[BrainStorm]

People who have tried both say that allegedly there is only about 100 mhz difference between them. That is to say a Barton running at 2.2ghz is about equivalent to a t-bred b running at 2.3 ghz. Don't know whether it's true or not. And I think it might vary a bit depending on the application you are running, like saaya says.

[Lube]

I would go with the Barton if only I could get one with good stepping (I already have a 1700+ DLT3C).

Right now I'm egerly waiting for someone to go "Weeeee! I got me a super barton steping that does XXXXXMhz @ default voltage, and I'm on air too!!", but it doesnt seem to happen.
Question is if it's ever going to happen or if Athlon64 simply will replace socketA CPUs before barton fully matures?

[felix88]

i'd go with the XP1700 merely because it's cheaper and it will most likely overclock better.

[CCW]

Originally posted by Lube

Question is if it's ever going to happen or if Athlon64 simply will replace socketA CPUs before barton fully matures?

No ne knows, there arent currently betetr steppings because they havent revised the chip.

Craig

[antipop]

Originally posted by Lube

Question is if it's ever going to happen or if Athlon64 simply will replace socketA CPUs before barton fully matures?

The barton is based on the same process than the Tbred's so i think it's already fully mature, and we won't see anything amazing coming from them

[Lube]

Originally posted by antipop
The barton is based on the same process than the Tbred's so i think it's already fully mature, and we won't see anything amazing coming from them

Well maybe not. But one could always hope for some kind of change, like the one going from Tbread A to Tbread B. Maybe AMD will be forced into changing layout or structure of layers or something too make the Barton more competitive against Intels latest CPUs. Specially since the Athlon64 isnt here just yet.

[antipop]

I think they'll spend most of their money and time to get the athlon64 out early with great performance

[Lube]

Ya, that would be even better

[saaya]

yeaht he barton core is really weird, when barton was released they were the cpus with the latest stepping so by getting a barton youd get the best ocing amd cpu.

and if you check the ocing world record list, barton cpus seem to oc higher, at least on ln2 and dry ice. but just recently i heard that a lot of people have problems ocing their barton cpus... weird.

[danbfree]

Whoa... Hols on a second... The Barton core is simply amazing for the money... You can get a RETAIL (usually newer stepping, 3 yr warranty, copper base cooler to play with on an old system). All for under $100 even at retail without mailorder. I am REALLY NOT flaming anyone at all, but it seems like everyone that said T-Bred, HAS a T-Bred and their could be a little Barton envy going on.. I'm telling you, MHz to MHz, the Barton simply "feels" much "snappier" in Win XP. I went from Palomino at 1.75Ghz and the Barton at 1.83 really felt MUCH snappier in Windows. For $20 more, don't buy an older-outdated chip! PLUS, SERIOUSLY, the Barton core is MUCH wider that a T-Bred and you WILL get much better heat x-fer to your HSF. Just my $.02. Good Luck!

[antipop]

Originally posted by danbfree
PLUS, SERIOUSLY, the Barton core is MUCH wider that a T-Bred and you WILL get much better heat x-fer to your HSF.

That's not true because it's heating more so you'll have more heat transfer but you'll also have more heat to transfer!
The barton are good but what the other wanted to point it's that you can oc a Tbred 1700+ higher so that it'll beat the Barton. And with 1700+ selling for $42 you can afford to try it

[danbfree]

Originally posted by antipop
That's not true because it's heating more

Uh... How so?? Same voltage, same core just more cache DOESN'T make it run any hotter! Dude, I'm running my Barton at OVER 3000+ speeds with a bump in voltage and I still can't break 45 degrees on a hot summer day with a freakin Volcano 9 at medium speed. Same core, same voltage, Larger surface area= better heat x-fer, less chance of breaking the core... ONLY get a T-Bred if you can't afford a Barton. $42 is pretty good though for the same core w/less cache.

[Bushboy]

Originally posted by danbfree
Uh... How so?? Same voltage, same core just more cache DOESN'T make it run any hotter!

Extra L2 Cache added (Which is why the dye is bigger!) It supposedly makes the core run hotter, which makes sense, though I haven't had the chance to buy one yet so I wouldn't know from personal experience.

[Calcu]

Actually my 2500+ runs cooler than my 1700+ even with more voltage,

Calcu

[shray]

mine is too! I had a Tbred A 1800 at like 2 Ghz and it was hotter than my barton 2500 at 2400 mhz..

[Bushboy]

Well in theory it works I guess the benefit of having more surface area overrides the extra heat produced by the added cache.

[demonized]

Alright i think thats about all the information i need to decide which one to purchase. Im gonna try my luck on a barton chip.
thx, again. btw, im gonna doing the oclking all on air since im a cheap bastard who cant afford a watercooling setup

[danbfree]

Excellent choice my man... I suggest a Volcano 11 cooler... They are like $30 with a sweet-a$$ adjustable fan and work 98% as good as the expensive Thermalright's or whatever the SLK series is.... Good Luck!