Vista DRM is F***in Killin Me....

[thecoldanddark]

For some reason they decided to lock out s/pdif audio and component video Component is the only way i can run my computer to my projector (long cable). Besides, component video was always the winner in quality too. No s/pdif? Their is no other half decent audio output that exists, for hifi anyway.

Vista SP1 is already out, vista has more holes than XP did that this stage. Not to mention being bloated and buggy.

But on the other hand there is many improvements. We just have to rely on m$ to fix bugs and hackers to fix drm.

Umm no, Vista has way less holes at this stage, I don't know how you came up with that. Vista sp1 has not released yet either.

[DreamWalkerLT]

About the monitor not supporting Hi-Def content, this has been known about for quite a while. It's not Vista, it's HDCP. The MPAA and Intel came up with HDCP and MS included it in Vista because if they didn't make Vista HDCP compliant, then no one would be able to watch HDCP protected content at all. Basically, all the parts (HD-DVD, Video Card, OS, DVI cable and Monitor) have to be HDCP compliant. If any of those are not compliant, no Hi-Def. The MPAA is to blame here. They think you are going to plug your DVI cable into some non-existant device to record their precious movies and distribute them in their HD glory.

Shortly before HDDVD's and Blu-Ray's came out they said they weren't going to enable HDCP for years until many people had compliant devices, but they lied. Anyways, try using a VGA instead of DVI, I haven't really heard if it works, but HDCP is supposed to be ignored over an analog connection, you might be able to get 1080i.. Not sure though.

I have also heard something about Vista's default CD-burning mode is some Vista-only format, so discs burned from Vista, by default can only be read by Vista. I think I read it over at Hardocp's 30 days with Vista..

[irev210]

Kunaak,

I think you are singing the wrong tune here.


Microsoft doesnt force DRM solutions onto consumers. If you are trying to play copyright material that you do not have proper rights to play, it wont play.

Example is your lack of HDCP. That is not a Vista problem, or a Microsoft problem. Vista just supports the usage of such DRM solutions.

Try to play your HD-DVD on a windows XP or linux OS and you will end up with the same problem. No HDCP compliance (requires HDCP video card and monitor) = no playback of encrypted high-def movies.



While I share in your frustration, shout your concerns about DRM to the movie studios and record labels, not vista.


About your media problems - Myself and dozens of others have absolutely no problem playing back all media formats that are not secured by some form of DRM. Your media probably wont read because of other reasons, not because of copyright protection schemes.

[Kunaak]

it is forced on me...

I bought my HD DVD Drive.
I bought my HD DVD Movies.
I bought my Vista.
I bought my Dell 2005FPW.

I have the right to play it... its mine, it should play.
thats all there is to it.
I dont care about record lables or pirates or anything else.
its mine, it should work.

[justin_c]

did you find a fix? IMHO, i bet its some stupid default feature that has been ticked in vista that causes this trouble.

some ideas:

eliminated udf compatibility
hidden files and such
some random crap about joliet formatting mt. rainer?
did some quick googling and couldn't find anything.

best of luck.

and i agree. vista. screw those who designed vista. screw those who wrote the code.

[leoftw]

I have no idea what the problem is...
I've spent a hour on google, searching for any form of "disable vista CD content check", mixing up the words... trying to look into hackers sites, delving deep into pirating sites... anywhere.
I dont care anymore about whats legal with vista.
if I have to crack things in vista, that microsoft doesnt want me to do... to get a functional OS... from now on, I am gonna.
I just dont care any more.
vista is so damn bad, that I will take any solution I can find, no matter where it comes from, even if that means hacking the OS to do it.

my last major blow out with vista, was, when I tried to get HDDVD's to play... only to find that vista will not allow you to play a HDDVD on a screen thats not HDCP... which for me, means they expect me to buy a new screen just to be able to watch movies... that I paid for.
I just bought this LCD last summer... a dell 2005 FPW... and now vista says its not good enough?
oh hell no.
hacking is becoming my new hobby, cause vistas so damn bad, that often the solutions are not exactly something MS wants you to do.
did I get HDDVD's to play on my OS, without having to buy a whole new LCD?
yep sure did.
was it legal?
probably not.
do I care?
hell no.
if this is the kinda thing I have to resort to, to get a functional OS... then thats what I am gonna do.
I am tired of trying to find solutions with MS, on how to fix various problems.
thier solutions always seem to either require me reinstalling XP... or buying some new hardware that I dont need.

with the media problem... I havent found a solution yet.
but I do have a few good leads now...

what I can say, is when media is blocked, you can easily see it.
what happens is... you can check the properties of the disc, and see that say 4 gigs of data is burned to that disc... but you cannot access the disc at all. vista says nothing is there.
upon putting the discs in my friends laptop yesterday... all discs are fine.

then do something like put in my copy of fear... which also is a DVD.. and explore the disc... and then everything shows up just fine....

also, download some movie trailers... burned them in vista, with nero 7.6... explore the disc.... they work just fine.

so the drive... and discs are all fine.

I just cannot access any form of media, that I burned over the last few years... unless it was burned with Vista.

god I hate vista....

Damn dude you sound like one frustrated person in reality this is what drives people to go with the Pirate solution . I never had that choice I just went with the pirate solution . Turns up MP3 player :P

[irev210]

it is forced on me...

I bought my HD DVD Drive.
I bought my HD DVD Movies.
I bought my Vista.
I bought my Dell 2005FPW.

I have the right to play it... its mine, it should play.
thats all there is to it.
I dont care about record lables or pirates or anything else.
its mine, it should work.

Its not forced on you. I can release a movie format that requires you to call india and enter in a 20 digit key code for a new activation number every time you decide to watch my movie format. Will anyone buy it? NO, but in good ol USA, both the creators and consumers have a choice.

Nobody said you had to buy any of that, and Vista is not the reason why your HD-DVD movies wont play.


Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems

[mdzcpa]

Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems

If the shoe fits....

The reason "Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems" is because in many cases Vista is the problem. MS snuggling up with all the content providers to impose buggy DRM measures is not a good thing. Most pirates can work around the crappy DRM schemes anyway while the non-pirates are frustrated. Not smart business. And MS isn't helping.

When the content providers finally give up their outdated economic models and learn to deal with intellectual property in the digital age, then we will finally get somewhere. Current DRM schemes are a kludge only slowing the development of a better way. MS is just a henchman for outdated DRM advocates.

[irev210]

If the shoe fits....

The reason "Everyone always looks to Vista for the source of all of their DRM problems" is because in many cases Vista is the problem. MS snuggling up with all the content providers to impose buggy DRM measures is not a good thing. Most pirates can work around the crappy DRM schemes anyway while the non-pirates are frustrated. Not smart business. And MS isn't helping.

When the content providers finally give up their outdated economic models and learn to deal with intellectual property in the digital age, then we will finally get somewhere. Current DRM schemes are a kludge only slowing the development of a better way. MS is just a henchman for outdated DRM advocates.

I agree with your statement about content providers... but tell me, what does Vista do to prohibit the playback of any non-copyright protected media?

I think vista gets blamed because they see it as the end-all be-all for DRM. "Oh well, I upgraded to windows Vista so I could watch HD-DVD, but Vista doesnt let me!" When in fact, it isnt vista that is preventing him, but HDCP... which has nothing to do with Vista.

Plug your cable box into your Dell 2005FPW LCD via HDMI or DVI and you will be given an error "HDCP Auth failed"

I can guarantee you your cable box runs no form of Microsoft Vista OS on it.


Please dont confuse my position about DRM solutions, but dont blame the wrong people responsible for it. Focus your attention on Movie studies, content providers, record labels, etc. Donate $ to the EFF (electronic fronter foundation). Last year alone I donated over 300 dollars to EFF.

[Machinus]

The only real solution is to dual-boot or have one machine for real life, and the other for the games that require DX10 to work.

1998 - monopoly on business software
2007 - monopoly on gaming API
2012 - ???

[Knight]

Shouldn't there be cracks, patches, or hacks out in the wild so we can watch HD on a non certified monitor? What is stopping the use of these

[linflas]

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Umm no, Vista has way less holes at this stage, I don't know how you came up with that. Vista sp1 has not released yet either.

Lol I just remembered...the whole buffer overflow fiasco

[thecoldanddark]

Lol I just remembered...the whole buffer overflow fiasco

Do you mean the cursor bug where you had to turn off UAC and IE7 protected mode?

[i found nemo]

god I hate vista....

seems every goddamn time I have to do something with vista, it gets worse, and worse. theres never a solution... and its always bad.

now...

I cannot access any content on dozens of discs I have.

photos, video, raw footage, raw pics... music...

anything, thats a form of media, seems to be blocked.
after pissing around with a idiot at MS for 2o minutes... heres what I found out.

media, burned to a disc, that was not burned in Vista, cannot be played back in vista or accessed.

wheres the middle finger smiley? I need that right now...

if I could have reached through that phone, I would have strangled that guy the second he told me that, cause I knew it was something ridiculous like that.

man, every time I feel sorta ok with vista again...
something happens to elevate my hate of vista to uncontrollabable levels.
I cannot believe that I am expected to use this OS as my main OS for the next 5 years.
sure... I can stick with XP.
but I am a gamer... I want DX10.
no vista, no DX10.

but GODDAMN.... I wanna just find the MS parking lot, and just take a bat to every car there.....

I hate vista....
I hate vista....
I hate vista....
I hate vista....

dude, lol i'm so f n' sorry. is dx-10 really worth it? like better fps, have you used a dx-9 bench and dx-10 bench to test the difference in gain +%- ?

[Jimmer411]

I like vista on my laptop so far, but I have not migrated it over to my desktop yet. So I havent really had any issues with DRM, but then again I dont use any HD-DVD or Blue Ray disks.

So far every MP3, AVI, JPEG etc has worked flawlessly in vista for me. But then again I keep all my software/pics/movies backed up on HDDs on USB external enclosures, as opposed to DVD/CD...


I still think this whole HDCP thing is bull. There is no reason why anyone should have to buy a new monitor/tv and video card just to watch the movie that they dont even own (you own the disc, but have no rights) just to make up for the short comings of the record and movie industry. Music and movies just arent what they used to be, entertaining.

[mezcal]

While I don't have the particular issues that Kunaak mentions I must say that Vista is underwhelming for me.
I ran it from rtm to Jan before giving up in disgust with the driver issues back then. After a recent overhaul of my garage box I decided to try again and see how things were progressing.

Driver situation is better though hardly great-particularly with less than new hardware. Power management is the major issure atm for me. Cool and quiet does not work at all and my nvidia gpu fan runs full bore at all times. MSI's crack motherboard tech support team continually informs me that I must download and install the latest cool and quiet drivers for that to work properly. (I'll leave you all to determine the validity of that response-I don't want to go off on a rant like my Alaskan brother ) The gpu issue is well discussed around the web also.

Bottom line is that this box, while it DOES work just fine, is probably drawing 3-4 times the amount of electricity as it would if I dumped Vista and installed XP or Ubuntu. This is hardly ideal since it's on most all the time-and almost exclusively web surfing and/or playing music. Nothing cpu or graphics intensive at all.

I do not own any protected media to play on the box and have no intention of acquiring any.
I also have no interest in the DRM-fest that is HD-DVD and/or Blue Ray except perhaps as a better portable backup medium in the future-not likely unfortunately.

Direct 3D 10 may develop into something-sometime-or not
Superfetch seems like a very good idea. I'd like it for XP.

Other than that (with regard to Vista) there's really nothing to see here.

I don't believe it is a coincidence that both Allchin and Gates decided that now seemed like a good time to walk away.

[Chocolate Pi]

Something is obviously wrong here, since countless people including myself have zero problems playing back any sort of content on Vista that they could on XP or any other OS. I can't think of a single reason case where Vista would restrict content that can play on an unprotected platform, and I know my Vista has played every media file I've thrown at it fine, no matter where they came from, for over half a year since RC2.

Kunaak is obviously not an incompetent PC user, but I very much doubt that whatever is causing these issues is the "big bad buggy bloaty DRM monster". Everyone talks about how horrible this beast is, but I haven't seen him in my copy of Vista at all, not even a RAM footprint or a blurry photograph of an error message. Do my media files smell funny, does he not like bothering them? Or was Microsoft just kind enough to give me a special version of Vista without it?

[zsamz_]

only and best solution is dual boot not worth the agravation

[Lome]

OMG an os that knows what to do with more than 256 megs of ram and doesnt swap everything to disc

linus save us!

[shmaa]

Something is obviously wrong here, since countless people including myself have zero problems playing back any sort of content on Vista that they could on XP or any other OS. I can't think of a single reason case where Vista would restrict content that can play on an unprotected platform, and I know my Vista has played every media file I've thrown at it fine, no matter where they came from, for over half a year since RC2.

I'm not having any problems either... this is a DivX movie I burned on a CD in 2002..... reads and plays just fine on my girlfriend's Vista box....




The same goes for all my other burned content.

[apexracing]

What's the big deal with Vista anyway? No-one is forcing any of you to use it, if it's as bad as you claim OEM XP Home is what, maybe $85 now. Run a dual-boot or just get rid of Vista completely if you hate it that much.

All this whining is pathetic, if you don't like Vista, then don't bloody use it. The choices are there.

[Tortel]

it is forced on me...

I bought my HD DVD Drive.
I bought my HD DVD Movies.
I bought my Vista.
I bought my Dell 2005FPW.

I have the right to play it... its mine, it should play.
thats all there is to it.
I dont care about record lables or pirates or anything else.
its mine, it should work.

You just stated most everyone's greatest hatred of DRM. I mean, it should just always work.

If you payed for it, why should you be limited?
If you didnt, why the hell would you keep the DRM?

[Greenberg]

What about hardware developers that are forcing you to use Vista by not releasing XP drivers for there Notebooks!

Vista is way to fresh *caugh*SP1*cough*, let the Underground use it for a bit make programs that will let you disable all the new rubish it offers and tweak it so it will work the way you wont it to work...

[Mudkips]

I know you are fustrated but the real enemy for the HD-DVD/Blueray is the movie studios. In order to build support for these formats Microsoft needs to follow a set of standards/licences set by the movie studios, HDMI™ group, HDCP group, CSS, etc in order to have a right to sell it legaly to consumers. Not only that but you need to have compatable hardware to use these standards too. Its not that Microsoft wanted to do it but it was the only way to legaly support HD content on their os.

This whole era of HD has been a mess, its confusing to consumers since they need to know what is compatable with what. As far as other media I havent have a problem, there are pleny of HD movies on the net stripped of DRM and some programs that will rip HD formats just like dvd. But I am staying away from any "media" that has DRM in it.

But you have a right to rant but just know who the real bastards are.