ASUS P5K Deluxe - Intel P35 Bearlake + E6600 B1 / Q6600 B3

[sesdave]

Mates, I think I've found the problem...
My Batch num: L707A409

Some comments about this Batch:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...-11-2ghz-e6600
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=147041
http://forums.hexus.net/abit-care-he...gt-bugged.html

Yes, I'm unlucky! This batch gets poor OC's
I'm going to set the cpu @ 3.0Mhz and maybe after Xmas I'll order a newest CPU. What about a Q6600? xD

Well you win some - you lose some-lol!
If the CPU is running stable at 400x8 leave it - with FSB 400 you get to run the memory at its specified speed and the bandwith is okay. It wont die with 1.525v anytime soon and you temps look okay. If you check the P5W thread when everyone was running E6600 you will see plenty running on higher volts quite happily- even if you clock isnt as high as other as long as you are below 1.55 and prime temps below 60 it will be fine. Remember you dont hit prime temps during normal application and game play running.
Q6600 are now cheaper than when you bought your E6600.They are good for about 3.6 on air with a better cooler - 4 core =lots of heat!. later batches just seem to be getting better http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1446 Lower vids and higher initial clocks - fun.! For a cooler I would recommend the ultima-90 much smaller and nearly as good as the 120 extreme. well I would as I have one-lol! But they do work well especially with an sflex or panaflow fan - high CFM. I cant use a 120mm fan on it as I havent got the case width due to having a 250mm fan on the side panel but I will prbably buy a sythe kama 92mm to try soon

[timber715]

Mates, I think I've found the problem...
My Batch num: L707A409

Some comments about this Batch:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...-11-2ghz-e6600
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=147041
http://forums.hexus.net/abit-care-he...gt-bugged.html

Yes, I'm unlucky! This batch gets poor OC's
I'm going to set the cpu @ 3.0Mhz and maybe after Xmas I'll order a newest CPU. What about a Q6600? xD

In my opinion, stick with it for the moment, seems you still dont need an upgrade yet. why not wait for the incoming processors. it seems the incoming ones are very promising. though a Q6600 is a good buy at the moment.

[Sparx]

I didn't want to start a new thead =>ASUS P5K vs. P5W DH so I hope the question would get a reply or two here.

I have a P5W with e6600, and have ordered a Q6600 GO to upgrade my system.

I have been reading this thread and noted that the P5K is a very good board. Along the way I ready the 35 chipset OC's better than the 975 chipset. It would be great to get my OC to 3.4 or so. How much worse is the P5W for overclocking the quads? (I do realize there are variables and exceptions) My board is a 1.02G.

Thanks up front.
sparx

[sesdave]

I didn't want to start a new thead =>ASUS P5K vs. P5W DH so I hope the question would get a reply or two here.

I have a P5W with e6600, and have ordered a Q6600 GO to upgrade my system.

I have been reading this thread and noted that the P5K is a very good board. Along the way I ready the 35 chipset OC's better than the 975 chipset. It would be great to get my OC to 3.4 or so. How much worse is the P5W for overclocking the quads? (I do realize there are variables and exceptions) My board is a 1.02G.

Thanks up front.
sparx

The P5K is better with for overclocking the Quad as a rule. Later Chip with a higher FSB capability and a BIOS with more options (similar to P5B) voltage settings and memory subtimings that can assist the quad overclock. Check this thread out - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=152603
I personally have also found it more flexible with memory - especially 4x1GB than my P5W was. Q6600 should be able to reach 3.6 on air on P5K - latest Q6600 seem to be even better.
That said why not wait for the x48 which is coming out this month. Gygabyte seem to have a MB ready to go as soon as its launched. No point buying into 'old' technology-lol!

[Sparx]

dave
I read much of that thread, where I got some info on the 35 chipset being superior with quad cores.

Why are people using 4- 1 gig sticks vs. 2- 2 gig sticks of RAM? Back in the day 2 sticks overclocked better than 4, reason for the question.

Yeah, "old technology"! How to place a time line on what components are new and for how long?

I really like the ASUS boards, rather keep with that IF I even updgrade to the P5K. This P5W has really been a rock for me, best rig ever of the several I have built over the years.
sparx

[sesdave]

dave
I read much of that thread, where I got some info on the 35 chipset being superior with quad cores.

Why are people using 4- 1 gig sticks vs. 2- 2 gig sticks of RAM? Back in the day 2 sticks overclocked better than 4, reason for the question.

Yeah, "old technology"! How to place a time line on what components are new and for how long?

I really like the ASUS boards, rather keep with that IF I even updgrade to the P5K. This P5W has really been a rock for me, best rig ever of the several I have built over the years.
sparx

Only reason I have 4x1Gb is that they clock better than 2x2GB and they are dirt cheap considering they are micron D9's. I loved my P5W as well but when I bought a e6850 and the ballistix I decidid to get a P5K as it was getting good reviews on overclocking. and it seems more forgiving with the memory. I previously had some corsair XMS 6400 which jad promo chips - couldnt clock it past 800 on the P5W with the CPU at 400x9 - went straight in at 1000 on the P5K.
PS- dont use Asus update on these boards - can fail as I discovered which is why I now have a premium as an RMA replacement..

[Leeghoofd]

4 x 1 are most of the times cheaper then 2 x 2, and the 2gig dimms aren't that overclockable...

With ya P5W and a quad it will be around 3 - 3.2ghz, P35 or even X38 will give ya much more FSB freedom... but do those 300mhz or 400mhz will make a difference ? I would settle with 9 x 333Fsb you already got nice quad OC there (QX6850 level)

[Sparx]

Only reason I have 4x1Gb is that they clock better than 2x2GB and they are dirt cheap considering they are micron D9's. I loved my P5W as well but when I bought a e6850 and the ballistix I decidid to get a P5K as it was getting good reviews on overclocking. and it seems more forgiving with the memory. I previously had some corsair XMS 6400 which jad promo chips - couldnt clock it past 800 on the P5W with the CPU at 400x9 - went straight in at 1000 on the P5K.
PS- dont use Asus update on these boards - can fail as I discovered which is why I now have a premium as an RMA replacement..

No, I still flash from the floppy! OK give me crap!

Is the P5K E just a good as the "Deluxe" verison, I don't need WIFI? I am looking at overclocking variations along with slots variations.
Thank you all again.
sparx

[sesdave]

4 x 1 are most of the times cheaper then 2 x 2, and the 2gig dimms aren't that overclockable...

With ya P5W and a quad it will be around 3 - 3.2ghz, P35 or even X38 will give ya much more FSB freedom... but do those 300mhz or 400mhz will make a difference ? I would settle with 9 x 333Fsb you already got nice quad OC there (QX6850 level)

Thats a fair point - I just played the crysis demo and if you want to invest in somesthing it looks like it should be the best GPU or 2 for future games. Ran okay on mine but not maxed out - when I switched on AA it was like an old 8mm movie-lol!. Pity - I thought my setup would hack it but here we go again. So if you are a gamer thast probably means a MB with 2x16 PCI-E capability is going to be the future path. hello x38,x48 etc. or one extremely powerful GPU as the 8800 GTX are struggling on the demo. I feel I may be pushed down a crossfire path that I dont want. I have my fingers crossed that this wont be true for the game release but I wont be suprised if it is.!

[sesdave]

No, I still flash from the floppy! OK give me crap!

Is the P5K E just a good as the "Deluxe" verison, I don't need WIFI? I am looking at overclocking variations along with slots variations.
Thank you all again.
sparx

Fair enough - better than using asus update but you will need to buy a USB stick cos the latest BIOS's are getting or are already too big for a floppy.
If I were you I would stick with what you have till after xmas. and see whats on the market. The X48 chips are cherrypicked x38 chips with greater overclocking potential. These MB should exceed the capabilities of the P5K re overclockability but that remains to be seen - x48 launches this month according to reports.

[Sparx]

I just finished reading the thread on the X38 (P5E) boards here to add more confuison to my decision.
These newer chipsets seem to have more variations in MB's than ever>>
Maximus has 2 or 3 different models alone for example. Then of couse add in the DDR3 models.
It can be confusing when you are 12 months away from the last build!
sparx

[nFo]

Is there no option to disable 2 cores, with a quad core ?

[Dooglas]

I am completely stuck at 3.6 with my Q6600 G0. My load temps were around 65C with all 4 cores stressed at 3.6ghz and 1.55vcore. I have all my voltages except for vdimm in hopes that I would be able to hit anything above 3.6. Nothing above 400x9 or 450x8 is stable even though the board can hit 490 with a 6 multiplier. Am I missing something, is it my temps, or am just limited to 3.6?

[safan80]

I am completely stuck at 3.6 with my Q6600 G0. My load temps were around 65C with all 4 cores stressed at 3.6ghz and 1.55vcore. I have all my voltages except for vdimm in hopes that I would be able to hit anything above 3.6. Nothing above 400x9 or 450x8 is stable even though the board can hit 490 with a 6 multiplier. Am I missing something, is it my temps, or am just limited to 3.6?

I had the same problem with this board and my qx6700. nothing beyond 3.6Ghz was stable for me. I was using water on the cpu and NB.

[Dooglas]

I had the same problem with this board and my qx6700. nothing beyond 3.6Ghz was stable for me. I was using water on the cpu and NB.

Did it go higher on another board?

[RLM]

I am completely stuck at 3.6 with my Q6600 G0. My load temps were around 65C with all 4 cores stressed at 3.6ghz and 1.55vcore. I have all my voltages except for vdimm in hopes that I would be able to hit anything above 3.6. Nothing above 400x9 or 450x8 is stable even though the board can hit 490 with a 6 multiplier. Am I missing something, is it my temps, or am just limited to 3.6?

Need to see your bios settings.

Here's one of my previous bios settings for 3.8 ghz on the Quad. One of the key settings here is CPU PLL. Before upping this to 1.6, I had stability problems at 3.7+. Now it will run up to 4.1ghz. Note north bridge and fsb voltages can be kept pretty much at their lowest values through out.

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclocking: Manual
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
FSB Strap to Northbridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 422
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2 844
DRAM Command Rate: 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency: 4
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
RAS# Precharge: 4
RAS# Activate to Precharge: 12
TWR: AUTO
TRFC: 42
TWTR: AUTO
TRRD: AUTO
TRTP: 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled

Transaction Booster: Disabled
Relax [0]
Clock Over-Charging Mode: AUTO

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

CPU Voltage: 1.475v (1.47 in OS vdroop to 1.46v) Pencil Modded
CPU Voltage Reference: x0.63
CPU Voltage Damper: Enabled
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.60
DRAM Voltage: 2.20
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.20
North Bridge Voltage: 1.25
North Bridge Voltage Reference: x0.67
South Bridge Voltage: 1.05

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Control: Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting: 9
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
PECI: Disabled

USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support: Disabled

RLM

[andressergio]

Hey RLM ?

Can you explain the reference voltajes for me plz ? What does it change to have CPU reference on x0.63 or the NB voltage to x0.67

Thank you very much
Regards

Sergio

[sesdave]

Hey RLM ?

Can you explain the reference voltajes for me plz ? What does it change to have CPU reference on x0.63 or the NB voltage to x0.67

Thank you very much
Regards

Sergio

This article on the asus blitz bios options gives a description of their function - Vtt means Voltage termination by the way. http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?...50aHVzaWFzdA==
This may be of interest http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/....php?p=2461613.
I leave mine on auto cos I cant get stable above 3.6 whatever cominations of BIOS settings I try.

[0rion]

Orion you tried to flash with an OC ? Was the rig stable before ?

Yes I did, Yes it was. I definitely should have put it back to stock first however. Lesson learned.

Bummer - I RMA'd my deluxe a few months back after using Asus update(serves me right for using it) but that failed verify which is why it corrupted.- my lesson learnt!. Is it totally corrupted e.g no post at all -stange if it verified okay. If not crashfree to an older version might do it.

It was totally corrupt, the system would power on but there was no post or video output at all.

[RLM]

Hey RLM ?

Can you explain the reference voltajes for me plz ? What does it change to have CPU reference on x0.63 or the NB voltage to x0.67

Thank you very much
Regards

Sergio

There's some detailed explanations of GTL refs floating about, a bit beyond my understanding unfortunately.

http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=87

The initial idea of working with the GTL refs is to allow for reaching higher FSBs, especially with Quads. The duo core for instance has a different optimum setting for the GTL ref to a quad.

The standard figure that is banded about for the quads is x0.67, but this is by no means set in stone.

The DFIs for instance will allow you fine tweak your GTL refs and the optimum settings certainly seem to vary from setup to setup.

Anyway this is why I chose these settings. For the CPU ref, the highest and closest option is x0.63.

The long and the short of it is that these settings have worked for me

RLM

[Dooglas]

I think its my temps that are holding me back, i lowered my voltages on everything and then put it up to 3.8. It runs everything fine except for prime 95. As long as the temp doesn't spike too much, I can play games and stuff with no problem, stuff that uses two cores and doesnt cause too much heat.

[andressergio]

Hey RLM

with your settings i could boot:

500x6 and 500x7 but loose 2 cores, cpuz reports 2 cores only and unstable...

I tried that same setting for 450x6 and same situation, needs like 1,5Vcore to be stable at 3,6

guess i have to accept that goes only till 3,5Ghz at vcore=1,45

Also i have a big hole between 470x7 and 490x7 can't even boot
but i can at 500x7 and beween 464x7 and 470x7 VERY unstable...

I tried various combinations but with no luck

Best regards
Sergio

[RLM]

That's interesting andressergio, I'm limited to 470, but haven't considered the fsb hole and trying 500.

As I say it really varies from setup to setup. I know recently NCSA and I had pretty much identical setups with the DFI, and settings that were good for me, didn't work for him at all.

A bit more experimentation maybe, or as you say accept 3.5.

RLM

[andressergio]

It's like that RLM

But soon as i receive the TR ultra extreme y will see how temps are to make it stable at 3,6, i will need 1,525 bios i think, the bad thing is that's summer here with 30 to 36 ambient, so in winter it'll be my time to OC like hell lol

Funny thing is that at 470x7 it very unstable, but at 500x7 is not that much but i loose 2 cores....

Regards
Sergio

[antari]

andressergio,

I can run Prime95 blend at 6x525FSB, but same as you - two cores are gone. I don't think there is a lot we can do about it. I usually only run 400-425FSB day to day so I am not really worried.