A quick 1st look: GA-G33M-DS2R, mATX P35 mobo (pic heavy)

[nullface]

Found this, it should be the G35 version. But i cant find any infos about it.

[nullface]

1) X3100 IS a DX10 part. Please check your sources. Here. It can't get more official than that. X3100, X3500 and the future X4500 (on the G45 chipset) are all DX10-capable. Problem is, their drivers only let them work on DX9 mode (and not fully, for that matter...) for now.

2) Gigabyte naming convention for Intel chipsets is as follows:
GA - Gigabyte
G35 - indicates the chipset, and sometimes also the socket, in this case the G35 chipset
M - ALWAYS indicates a mATX part
D - indicates that is part of the "Ultra Durable" series
S - has SATA ports (this has become redundant since the mid-478 era; or it's the only symbol I don't know what means)
2~6 - indicates the level of "OC-friendly" features (and sometimes other features as well, like a more advanced IHS or improved sound codec) present on the BIOS
R - indicates the presence of a ICHxR Southbridge

So, though in fact the GA-G35M-DS3R does NOT exist (Gigabyte doesn't have G35 boards yet), and I don't know if it will ever exist, if it does come out, I'm sure it will be a mATX OC-friendly board.

Cheers.

Miguel

Jsut to scratch it up again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G35_%28...2_Duo_Chipsets

If its accurat the G33 owns the G35 exept form the interated GFX.

BTW: What does BSEL stand for?

[__Miguel_]

Jsut to scratch it up again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G35_%28...2_Duo_Chipsets

If its accurat the G33 owns the G35 exept form the interated GFX.

BTW: What does BSEL stand for?

The major differences between the G33 and the G35 are the IGP and the southbridge, along with DDR3 support from the G33. Also, besides the differences on IGP hardware, they both have similar HD-content.

The thing is, DDR3 support for G33 is a moot point for now. No manufacturer will build a DDR3-ready board based on G33, they will use P35 instead. And of course NO mATX DDR3 board will appear for now.

As for the southbridges, they both have the same core abilities, and their performances are actually not that far apart.

So, while tecnically the G33/ICH9 combo is a better performer on paper (except for the IGP), in real life that might just not be the case.

For a more reliable source of info on those chipsets, check here and here, please. Wikipedia is not that good...

As for BSEL, I think it means "Bus Select", but I'm not 100% sure. You could try a Intel hardware manual design guide or something (available online), those will probably have it...

Cheers.

Miguel

[nullface]

The major differences between the G33 and the G35 are the IGP and the southbridge, along with DDR3 support from the G33. Also, besides the differences on IGP hardware, they both have similar HD-content.

The thing is, DDR3 support for G33 is a moot point for now. No manufacturer will build a DDR3-ready board based on G33, they will use P35 instead. And of course NO mATX DDR3 board will appear for now.

As for the southbridges, they both have the same core abilities, and their performances are actually not that far apart.

So, while tecnically the G33/ICH9 combo is a better performer on paper (except for the IGP), in real life that might just not be the case.

For a more reliable source of info on those chipsets, check here and here, please. Wikipedia is not that good...

As for BSEL, I think it means "Bus Select", but I'm not 100% sure. You could try a Intel hardware manual design guide or something (available online), those will probably have it...

Cheers.

Miguel

That is a golden link to me, bookmarked.

And i still dont get it, how can the mobo know the difference between a moddet and not moddet CPU.
Is the BIOS so to say, locked at a special FSB speed when the mobo recognizes a certain CPU

Why does G35 have ICH8? Isent that an old version or dit i get it all wrong.

[tam2]

BTW: What does BSEL stand for?

Boot SELector, cmiiw

[__Miguel_]

That is a golden link to me, bookmarked.

Hehe. The Intel website is very good, actually. It has all sorts of information about just about everything on the Intel portfolio. Unfortunately, it is difficult to navigate. Most of the times I need to use the search function so I can get somewhere. Also, it takes a very long time for new information to become available. For instance, there is no page for the GMA X3100 yet, and, though the G35 page is already up, there is also no page for the GMA X3500... Same thing for Penryn.

And i still dont get it, how can the mobo know the difference between a moddet and not moddet CPU.
Is the BIOS so to say, locked at a special FSB speed when the mobo recognizes a certain CPU

Well, though I don't know why that happens, I can make kind of an educated guess. You see, every CPU belongs to a family within a CPU architecture. The BIOS reads that information at every boot to know what kind of microcode updates to implement. That information can also be used to know what FSB strap to select, since it is easy enough to know which families require what FSB.

My "educated guess" is that Gigabyte BIOSes may see a 800MHz CPU asking for a higher FSB and say something like "oh, that's not right, this CPU is asking for the wrong FSB strap, there must be something wrong with it", consequently preventing the Boot process.

I'm not sure about this, but it makes sense (at least for me... hehe)

Why does G35 have ICH8? Isent that an old version or dit i get it all wrong.

Well, the ICH8/DH/R is in fact an older chipset than the ICH9/DH/R. I do think, however, the G35 was being planned way before the release of the ICH9 generation. I recall reading news about the G35 - which is a completely new core, and the fundation (sp?) for the future X4500 - having problems in the development (something about voltage regulators, if I recall correctly), right after the G33 launch.

Why do I say this? Well, the G965/X3000 was a complete fiasco, having the same problems the 945G had/has on the scaling side of things, not even being able to hit 333MHz FSB. My gut feeling tells me Intel jumped right back to the drawing board to correct those flaws. Hence the ICH8, which was the latest southbridge available at the time, the ICH9 being only on the planning fase. It also explains why there is only DDR2 support on the G35.

For the most part, however, ICH8 and ICH9 aren't all that different in performance. And I think probably the ICH9 could work with the G35, because of just that. You won't be missing new features. My favourite southbridge is still the ICH7R, though there are bigger performance gaps between it and the ICH8/9.

Remember: I'm speculating about the ICH8 and the design fase. It's what makes most sense to me, I have no proof of it.

Cheers.

Miguel

[G-Man]

Has anyone had a problem with this board double booting and loosing bios settings?

When ever I cold boot it posts with overclocked settings in place, then reboots again and swithes the CPU clock control back to Default / auto so deactivating the overclock. Every time i turn the PC on I have to switch it back to manual which obviously is exceptionally annoying!

Anyone know how to solve this?

[Clint]

Has anyone had a problem with this board double booting and loosing bios settings?

When ever I cold boot it posts with overclocked settings in place, then reboots again and swithes the CPU clock control back to Default / auto so deactivating the overclock. Every time i turn the PC on I have to switch it back to manual which obviously is exceptionally annoying!

Anyone know how to solve this?

That is happening when I have OC'ed the memories to much and it will reset the bios to default settings, a good thing though...would be hard to reach bios otherwise.

You need to apply "optimized defaults" in bios after it happens though, so the CPU gets detected properly.

Oh, on a side note...I have managed to remove the IHS on a E6600 AND lapped the core
I have allways wanted to try it and everyone said it's a no-go...but it sure did
work!
It now sits under a minininja and with Collaboratory Liquid between

[G-Man]

Yeah, but my memory is not OC'd too much. it is 100% stable. Even if i just change it from 333 to 334, then cold boot it still reverts to default.

Tried every bios available and all do the same.

[Clint]

Yeah, but my memory is not OC'd too much. it is 100% stable. Even if i just change it from 333 to 334, then cold boot it still reverts to default.

Tried every bios available and all do the same.

I had a wall on my E4400 CPU at exactly 328MHz, a single MHz over that and reboot as well....that was with only 1.4volts on it, and didn't matter how much voltage I gave....still not a single MHz more.

Is your CPU a 800Mhz one?

[G-Man]

Yeah, but it's not overclocked too much. I Know these settings are stable.

It's an E6750 and I have had it running 24 hours orthos stable running 430fsb 1:1 at 3440mhz

Clearly the CPU has no problems running at this speed, so it makes no sense why it keeps loosing the settings.

[BulldogPO]

God damn, seems like my HTPC get broken last night.
No image on screen and Gefroce 8800GTS fan blows 100%, I have tried with other memory modules and I have cleared cmos several times.

Edit:
I removed mobo form Antec Fusion case and discovered this:


Is this error of mobo or PSU?
If it is PSU´s fault the who will pay for my burned mobo?

[Chosen.]

Which PSU do you have? Was the system running at 100% (folding, Boinc, etc.)?

[BulldogPO]

Yes, all four cores at 100% 24/7 use with QMC(Boinc):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...play.php?f=211

PSU is Antec Fuisons own NeoHE 430W.
I might chance it to 480W Tagan or 430W Seasonic S12 II.

[Clint]

Yes, all four cores at 100% 24/7 use with QMC(Boinc):
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...play.php?f=211

PSU is Antec Fuisons own NeoHE 430W.
I might chance it to 480W Tagan or 430W Seasonic S12 II.

I've seen quite a few remarks about that PSU dying after a few months or so.

The Tagan or better yet the Seasonic is a good bet for a new PSU.

[BulldogPO]

Seasonic is almost silent, I´ll put it in when I get new board from warranty.

[Breogan]

Corsair VX450 is an interesting choice too.

[BulldogPO]

Yes, but I allready have those two PSU´s.

[Clint]

Good call

I hope you'll get a good board, mine is really sick...I'm doing 515MHz FSB
benches with IGP and a 2x2Gb Mushkin kit...really strong!

As soon as I can source me a cheapo gfx card I'll se what it can do without the IGP enabled...should give some more

My newly arrived RMA'd 2x2GB kit is OC's extremely good on this board, on stock 1.8-1.9 volts it gives me 1120Mhz 5-6-6-18..
Backed down to 1070MHz and 5-5-5-18 ...doesn't even get hot, sick sticks!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146694

This setup might just take me through penryn era with a Q9550 and 470MHz FSB giving that magical 4GHz quad setup

[BulldogPO]

I was doing 8x450MHz with my old E6600 but I dumped it cos i did get that Quadcore on cheap.

[Clint]

I was doing 8x450MHz with my old E6600 but I dumped it cos i did get that Quadcore on cheap.

I see in your sig you have a minininja as well, nice cooler yes?

I recently popped the IHS and then after lapping the core itself put some collaboratory liquid between that lapped core and my lapped minininja....the perfect match for a tight HTPC!
I have two Yate Loons 92x92x15mm fans in push pull config, works like a dream...will for sure handle a quad penryn

[BulldogPO]

Good you mentioned, It was pretty good coolers but I have upgraded it to Zalman Reserator 1+ about a month ago.
And I forgot to modify my signature.

[BulldogPO]

P4 connector on that PSU:

[stncttr908]

I guess we're not going to see 2.00x on 800MHz FSB processors. I wish I had seen this thread before I went ahead and ordered my HTPC stuff since I only have the E2140. I have been able to get my RAM (Corsair XMS DDR2-800 5-5-5-12 1.9V) to run @ 1000MHz, 5-5-5-15 2.1V on the 3:5 divider for a 2.4GHz clock on the stock fan, which isn't too shabby. I know I can get more out of it if I had that damned divider. I emailed Gigabyte about it, but I'm not terribly hopeful. FWIW I'm running the F6 BIOS. I might just end up selling the E2140 and picking up an E6300 or E6400 just have to some ratios available.

[__Miguel_]

I might just end up selling the E2140 and picking up an E6300 or E6400 just have to some ratios available.

Then do keep in mind that the only ratios available for 1066MHz FSB CPUs is 4:5 with the F6 BIOS. 4:5 is better than 3:5, but it is still pretty bad if you want to OC.

For 1:1 ratios, you need either a 1333MHz FSB CPU or a 1066MHz CPU and the F4a beta BIOS, which has 1:1 on any non-800MHz FSB CPU.

Cheers.

Miguel