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    AMD prepares its Phenom FX, Phenom X4 and Phenom X2 lineups for launch

    AMD is preparing the launch of its next-generation K10-derivedStars-family single, dual and quad-core processors. The next-generation Stars-family splits into three different brand names – Phenom, Athlon and Sempron. Ringing in the flagship is three Agena FX-based AMD Phenom FX processors. AMD has yet to confirm clock speeds for the three models; however, the latest roadmap reveals ballparks for the processors.

    The top-end AMD Phenom FX processor clocks in the 2.4-2.6 GHz speed range. Slotting below the top-end Phenom FX is a 2.2-2.4 GHz model. These two models occupy AMD’s upcoming Socket 1207+ and current Socket 1207 Quad FX platforms. AMD also has a Phenom FX for single-processor customers as well, clocked at 2.4-2.6 GHz.

    AMD further differentiates its Phenom FX processors with different Hyper Transport 3.0 clock speeds. The flagship 2.4-2.6 GHz model features a 3.6 GHz HT 3.0 clock speed while the two 2.2-2.4 GHz models have a lower 3.2 GHz HT 3.0 clock. All three models share the same 4x512KB L2 cache and 2MB L3 cache configuration. AMD has yet to determine the TDP of its Phenom FX processors yet.

    Catering towards high-end user are two Socket AM2+ AMD Phenom X4 processors. AMD remains undecided on its model numbers; however, clock speeds on the Agena-based Phenom X4 processors are set. The two AMD Phenom X4 processors clock in at 2.4 GHz and 2.2 GHz. These models share the same 4x512KB L2 cache and 2MB L3 cache configuration as the Phenom FX processors.

    HT 3.0 speeds differ on the two models, the 2.4 GHz features a 3.6 GHz HT 3.0 speed while the 2.2 GHz model features a 3.2 GHz HT 3.0 speed. AMD rates the Phenom X4 processors with 89W TDPs. AMD plans to start taking orders for its Phenom FX and Phenom X4 processors in Q3’2007.

    AMD’s dual-core Kuma processors will carry the Phenom X2 name and drop into Socket AM2+ and AM2 motherboards. There are three AMD Phenom X2 processors in the pipeline with 2.8 GHz, 2.6 GHz and 2.4 GHz clock speeds. HT 3.0 speeds vary on the AMD Phenom X2 processors. At the top with the AMD Phenom X2 2.8 GHz model, the HT 3.0 bus clocks in at 4.2 GHz – higher than the Phenom FX and Phenom X4 models. The two lower models have 3.8 GHz and 3.6 GHz HT 3.0 clock speeds, respectively.

    All three models feature a 2x512KB L2 cache and 2MB L3 cache configuration. The higher end 2.8 GHz has an 89W TDP, similar to the Phenom X4 models while the 2.6 GHz and 2.4 GHz receive a lower 65W TDP rating. AMD plans to take orders for its Phenom X2 processors beginning in Q4’2007.

    If low power is a concern, AMD intends to offer three low power AMD Phenom X2 models. Three AMD Phenom X2 occupy the low power dual-core lineup. AMD rates these models with 45W TDPs. The low power Phenom X2 clock in at 2.3 GHz, 2.1 GHz and 1.9 GHz with 3.4 GHz, 3.0 GHz and 2.8 GHz HT 3.0 speeds, respectively.

    Although AMD plans to launch its new Phenom branding for high-end processors, the Athlon 64 X2 name lives on with Rana. There’s one Rana model in the pipeline clocked at 2.2 GHz. The Rana-based Athlon 64 X2 does away with L3 cache and only has 2x512KB of L2 cache, differentiating it from the Kuma-based AMD Phenom X2.

    At the bottom of the Stars-family are the Spica Sempron models. Two Spica Sempron models occupy AMD’s value lineup. The new Spica Sempron models clock in at 2.4 GHz and 2.2 GHz with 512KB of L2 cache. As with the dual and quad-core products, the two Spica Sempron models have 3.6 GHz and 3.2 GHz HT 3.0 clocks, respectively. AMD rates the Spica Sempron models with 45W TDPs, as with the low power Phenom X2 models.

    AMD plans to take orders for its low power Kuma Phenom X2, Rana Athlon 64 X2 and Spica Sempron models beginning in Q1’2008.

    Amazing, HT is 0.75x the clock speed of the CPU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madcho View Post
    Amazing, HT is 0.75x the clock speed of the CPU.

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    Eh? You mean 1.5x of the CPU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shintai View Post
    Eh? You mean 1.5x of the CPU.
    no it's 2*0.75x, one 0.75x up and one 0.75x down.

    Think it's always 16bits

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    cool
    that means X4 am2+ will be announced till the end of September

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    Quote Originally Posted by madcho View Post
    no it's 2*0.75x, one 0.75x up and one 0.75x down.

    Think it's always 16bits
    That would be like saying 100mbit is really 200mbit and so on.

    But you are right, its 0.75x, tho the article is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    cool
    that means X4 am2+ will be announced till the end of September
    Think september too

    Barcelona End of june

    And for Quad FX i don't know, but hop for end of june

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    Quote Originally Posted by madcho View Post
    Barcelona End of june
    no, rather end of July-August, FX even later

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    Kuma 2.8 will use 2*2.1ghz HT 3.0. in 16 bits the bandwidth will be 16.8GB/s.

    Actual HT @ 1ghz can do 8GB/s

    => 110% more

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    Phenom.... reminds me too much of WWE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT
    AMD’s dual-core Kuma processors will carry the Phenom X2 name and drop into Socket AM2+ and AM2 motherboards. There are three AMD Phenom X2 processors in the pipeline with 2.8 GHz, 2.6 GHz and 2.4 GHz clock speeds. HT 3.0 speeds vary on the AMD Phenom X2 processors. At the top with the AMD Phenom X2 2.8 GHz model, the HT 3.0 bus clocks in at 4.2 GHz – higher than the Phenom FX and Phenom X4 models. The two lower models have 3.8 GHz and 3.6 GHz HT 3.0 clock speeds, respectively.
    I know which one I'm getting :p

    Hopefully DT doesn't get a sample before official reviews are out...

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    What's so special about Phenom FX other then socket 1207+ and 2.6 Ghz top clock? The socket 1207+ FX will be the dual socket desktop platform?
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    I'm liking the Kumas...but i have a feeling there'll be a small price difference between the highest clocked Kuma and the lowest clocked Agena.

    I just hope the Kumas are reasonably priced...Lets not forget AMD's dealing with a heavily discounted C2D lineup.

    One thing that could prove this chart wrong:

    WHERE ARE THERE SOME PROCESSORS WITH HALF MULTIs AND SOME WITHOUT ???

    Shouldn't it be a consistent approach throughout ? Or are the low power Kumas disguised brisbanes ?

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    i hope oc of X4 will be great ^^

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    Perkam,i think since they (DT) mention the "range of 2.4-2.6Ghz" it seems that there is room for 2.5Ghz model also.Same goes for Kumas since this is DT composed "chart" and not official thing from AMD

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    Quote Originally Posted by madcho View Post
    i hope oc of X4 will be great ^^
    At 89W TDP I would say yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perkam View Post
    I'm liking the Kumas...but i have a feeling there'll be a small price difference between the highest clocked Kuma and the lowest clocked Agena.

    I just hope the Kumas are reasonably priced...Lets not forget AMD's dealing with a heavily discounted C2D lineup.

    One thing that could prove this chart wrong:

    WHERE ARE THERE SOME PROCESSORS WITH HALF MULTIs AND SOME WITHOUT ???

    Shouldn't it be a consistent approach throughout ? Or are the low power Kumas disguised brisbanes ?

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    At the very least the Low Power Kuma X2's are x.5 multi's.

    1.9GHz = 9.5
    2.1GHz = 10.5
    2.3GHz = 11.5

    I personally will be going for a X4 2.4 or a X2 2.8, depending on how the lower models overclock of course.

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    are the X4 going to work on current AM2 motherboards?
    This is what I knew but the article says so only for the X2

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    The key for me is going to be how they oc. My current 3060 and previous 6600 (both native 2.4ghz) easily reach 4ghz under phase. It just won't be any improvement unless a Phenom X4 (2.4) can do at least 3.6 ghz. There's not really enough software yet to make 4 cores more than a bigger e-penis. But then bigger is still better!
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    Benches and final prices please

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    yeah final prices for me too
    So what's going to be the best choice:i'm upgrading my pc around september,when price-cuts C2D's happened for the 2nd time:Q6600/E6850 or one of those Kuma's???
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    Quote Originally Posted by karateo View Post
    are the X4 going to work on current AM2 motherboards?
    This is what I knew but the article says so only for the X2
    X4/X2 are ready ton any AM2 motherboard. you only need a bios update. you can do the update of the bios even after you installed your new cpu on the mobo.

    The only problem, is if your mobo maker don't release a new bios,

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