Onepagebook and his 3D benchies...

[hipro5]

Hello all....

First off I would like all of you to be polite...

READ WELL the whole post before start posting and compare....Use your mind and don't let others to use it for you....

Now...

I show his 2k5 bench with a single 8800GTX clocked at 653MHz core and 1145MHz rams - Actually it seems that his VGA rams are clocked at 1053MHz and NOT at 1145MHz as he says -
His CPU power is 5302MHz on an EVGA 680 mobo.....
Here's the links: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2450489 and here: http://www.hwbot.org/compare.do?resultId=563812 , http://www.hwbot.org/result.do?resultId=563812

I ran the 2k5 bench at 5405MHz on an ABIT AW9D-MAX mobo with a SINGLE VGA too at 899MHz core and 1215MHz rams.....
Here: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2660983





I have 100MHz more in CPU PLUS I ran it on 975 chipset and 246MHz more on VGA's core and 70MHz more on VGA's rams.....
QUESTION 1: How come and I get a lower score with higher clocks overal?....
QUESTION 2: Let's say he plays his rams at 500MHz with Cas 3-3-3-x.....and he beats me on GT1 and on GT2(which actually is both CPU and VGA)....NATURE TOO?.....
I get 150.3fps with the VGA at 899MHz/1215MHz and he gets 151.7fps at ONLY 653MHz core?.....
Sorry but I just don't bite it....

SECOND:
His Aquamark score with SLI 8800GTX at ONLY 4832MHz with a Quad, is 261895 marks.....
We ALL now that the VGA's gives you about 2k - 3k MAX on this bench....
QUESTION: How come and he get's THIS score at ONLY 4832MHz?....You'll tell me it's a QUAD......Welllll I've ALSO tested it with a QUAD at 4852MHz.....NO GO....

THIRD:
His new 2k5 score with SLI : http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2654983
k|ngp|ng's score with SLI : http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2408750

2000 marks over k|ng|ng?....Hello!....
k|ngp|ng benches TOO MUCH time 3D and OPB JUST STARTED.....Tweaked OS ONCE AGAIN OR tweaked VIRTUAL OS?.....You tell me....

AND REMEMBER: We are talking about 2k5 bench.....You don't get THAT EASY marks from it.....It's not 2k1 with a difference of 2k marks +/- .....It's the 2k5 bench....

Take a GOOD look at their ram speed....OPB seems to be 1094MHz and k|ngp|in's seems to be 1188MHz.....

8800GTX's ram frequency can be calculated as: 716MHz (STANDARD - MAIN) PLUS what you see on the compare link......
So k|ngp|ng's is: 716MHz + 472MHz = 1188MHz REAL
and OPB's is: 716MHz + 378MHz = 1094MHz REAL

I don't bite it either.....


FINAL:

At least as for the 2k5 with the SINGLE VGA OPB's score, I'm 100% positive that it wasn't done at 653MHz VGA's Core OR it is FAKE.....
You try it and tell me.....151fps with the VGA at ONLY 653MHz Core?...NO WAY.....
Take a look at Overklokk's SINGLE VGA clocked high: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2565590.....How about his NATURE score?....That bad too that is beaten with ONLY 653MHz core by OPB?......
Take a look at Oppainter's new score: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2646810
How about his NATURE score too?....Beaten by OPB with ONLY 653MHz Core?.....

It was done at higher VGA's clocks and he doesn't want to say so?....
That's a lie as for me if he did so......Excuse me for this post of mine but that's how I feal.....


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[oohms]

Sure, it does look a bit suspicious, but didnt this happen before a long time ago in 2k1 with the dual processor tweak or something similar?

My point is that there is a possibility that he may have found a tweak that he might not want everyone else to know, and especially since the 8800 drivers at this point are a bit flaky, who knows?

[dinos22]

oh boy another fight is brewing but there are some incredible scores there from OPB but somehow i don't think there will be answers in thisthread if people start attacking OPBs credibility.......as it was the case with Pi

i'm having a tough time thinking he would cheat hopefully he does join in to share his views about this

[hipro5]

Sure, it does look a bit suspicious, but didnt this happen before a long time ago in 2k1 with the dual processor tweak or something similar?

My point is that there is a possibility that he may have found a tweak that he might not want everyone else to know, and especially since the 8800 drivers at this point are a bit flaky, who knows?

Another tweak again?....

Nature on 2k5 at 653MHz core WHAT tweak makes it CLIMB at 151fps?....

[K404]

Hey! I saw the score on HWBot. I assumed he hit 6 in stead of 9 by mistake when he entered his score, unless theres a sign of 6xxMHz core elsewhere?

I do think the score is obtainable with a single card

[zbogorgon]

i hope this time we will see some resolution

[dinos22]

[B]
Nature on 2k5 at 653MHz core WHAT tweak makes it CLIMB at 151fps?....

wouldn't you like to know j/k

[Astri]

Take a look at his drivers.They are not FM Approved.

Btw, Hello XS

[Entsafter]

Kevin runs his card/cards at or above 880/1150 on ln2

[dinos22]

george did you bother asking Kevin about this first before going at it like this......maybe it would have been smarter before people start taking sides

[massman]

Another tweak again?....

Nature on 2k5 at 653MHz core WHAT tweak makes it CLIMB at 151fps?....

I guess he just pressed the '6' instead of the '9'.

Look at the frequencies he normaly benches at ... most of them above 800MHz.

[TiduZ]

Well, OPB is one of the top-3 benchers in the world, and i am sure he knows how to tweek his settings realy extreme..

[eva2000]

just guessing

1. different drivers ?
2. clocking gpu/ram too high can throttle with lower end results as well
3. LOD tweak differences
4. 680i with G80s seem to provide higher performance clock for clock than 975x/965p from my 8800GTS/SLI tests
5. any bios flash/shader tweaks ?
6. PCI-E frequency tweaks ? seems may have more gains on 680i than 975x/965p from what i tested with Asus 680i striker versus D975XBX/P5B Deluxe.

I believe also Kev got advice and tweaks from mickeymouse as well for 3d stuff especially for sub zero GPU cooled runs. Don't forget Kev is part of TeamOCX and they have a few more than capable 3dmark benchers as members http://www.hwbot.org/listMembers.do?teamId=132 who can all give advice to each other

[dinos22]

Well, OPB is one of the top-3 benchers in the world, and i am sure he knows how to tweek his settings realy extreme..

dude he cannot outtweak hipro or KP by that margin unless there is something thatseparates them (unequal setups.....orsome kind)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Will be interesting to see whats up with his tweaks if this is the case, I want em

[dinos22]

just guessing

1. different drivers ?
2. clocking gpu/ram too high can throttle with lower clocks as well
3. LOD tweak differences
4. 680i with G80s seem to provide higher performance clock for clock than 975x/965p from my 8800GTS/SLI tests
5. any bios flash/shader tweaks ?
6. PCI-E frequency tweaks ? seems may have more gains on 680i than 975x/965p from what i tested with Asus 680i striker versus D975XBX/P5B Deluxe.

george KP benches nvidia....he would know betterhow to hit sweat spots than OPB don't you think....just a wild guess but the amount of experience thetwo guys have my money would be on KP in 3D

the only thing that stands out are the drivers really

[eva2000]

who knows .. i'm not taking sides just stating possible factors as to the discrepancy between the two

I haven't used a 8800GTX before so not sure how they exactly fair on either platform... i do know i got slightly higher scores with my 8800GTS on Asus 680i striker than my P5B Deluxe at same clocks and PCI-E frequency bump on 680i striker had an effect on scores where as P5B Deluxe was negligible

[dinos22]

who knows .. i'm not taking sides just stating possible factors as to the discrepancy between the two

I haven't used a 8800GTX before so not sure how they exactly fair on either platform... i do know i got slightly higher scores with my 8800GTS on Asus 680i striker than my P5B Deluxe at same clocks and PCI-E frequency bump on 680i striker had an effect on scores where as P5B Deluxe was negligible

hey don't get me wrong i'm not saying you are but most of those are not discrepancies as KP benches E68 and hipro 975x

btw what is the difference percentage-wise

[massman]

hipro, I guess he ran it with SLI @ 653MHz cores
IMO - it was just hwbot that gone mad and got that as single card result (there were such bugs recently)

Nope, the score was submitted on the site itself, so it has nothing to do with the forumbots

[ojdr2001]

May be the reason is the same oppainter wrote in his 3D scores cards where at stock speeds and they weren't... a simple mistake

I think it would be more correct from your side to ask Kevin first privately before you come to public... but why Am I not surprised with your attitude?

[eva2000]

hey don't get me wrong i'm not saying you are but most of those are not discrepancies as KP benches E68 and hipro 975x

btw what is the difference percentage-wise

i've had as much as 150-200pts diff in 3dmark06 between platforms.

Don't forget shader tweaks in bios as well.. whether Kev uses them or not who knows

[Pedro Rocha]

Another tweak again?....

Nature on 2k5 at 653MHz core WHAT tweak makes it CLIMB at 151fps?....

I already see that score and seems really suspicious.

No is NOT a Tweak I'm almost sure, i'm doing tweaking for 3dmark for many years and I know how far tweaks can go.

Maybe Onepagebook is usinig a cheat software named !@#$% that have that effect.. I think that cheat works in all 3Dmarks except 2001..

Well these guys never stop, they think they can delude all the world - that's really sad

BTW : George in Cebit next month I will personally explain you some good old scholl 3D tweaking

Edited.

Program removed, keeping cheating from happening, starts by keeping the tools outta peoples hands.

-Kunaak-

[Pedro Rocha]

george did you bother asking Kevin about this first before going at it like this......maybe it would have been smarter before people start taking sides

Kevin (or one of the members of this vast fan club) is completely free to came here and give some clear explanations about this AND about their SuperPI "tweaks"

I did that when I discover the ACPI tweak that allows me and Ricky to break the 40K barrier in 3Dmark01 few years ago..

[massman]

I already see that score and seems really suspicious.

No is NOT a Tweak I'm almost sure, i'm doing tweaking for 3dmark for many years and I know how far tweaks can go.

Maybe Onepagebook is usinig a cheat software named !@#$% that have that effect.. I think that cheat works in all 3Dmarks except 2001..

Well these guys never stop, they think they can delude all the world - that's really sad

I always respected you and your fabulous results Pedro, but this is really sad. Just talked to MM, apparently kevin runs his sli run at 880 and above. As you can see, his sli 05 run he benched at 906/1215 ... I don't think it's weird he could have run his card at 953/1145, so maybe he just mistypted ...

[boblemagnifique]

May be the reason is the same oppainter wrote in his 3D scores cards where at stock speeds and they weren't... a simple mistake

I think it would be more correct from your side to ask Kevin first privately before you come to public... but why Am I not surprised with your attitude?

Because, That make nearly 2 years that it makes mysterious scores

Because, they is explanations dont prove anything each time (vidéos either, I see)

Because, that do much of because