!!!The Ultimate K8L Thread 2007 & Beyond!!!

[w0mbat]

Yes i am. Im not a kiddie who wants attention, i say its not my CPU. I will ask him for validation. If i get a link i will post it here, if not i cant proove that this pic is real. Then i have to excuse me and try to have a validation with me next time. But im shure that he isnt liying to me cause i know him good and hes over 40 years old.

[Serge84]

K8L ALU & FPU Performance

Agena X4 & AFX(K8L):
2.9GHz Quad Core
ALU:46,800(80%/X2) Or 52,000(100%/X2)
FPU:40,320(80%/X2) Or 44,800(100%/X2)

Kuma X2(K8L):
2.9GHz Dual Core
ALU: (K8)21,000 If K8L=26,000(25%+)
FPU: (K8)16,000 If K8L=22,400(40%+)

According to this if Sandra scores are used to compare K8 with K8L specs we can see how K8L might perform agenst it's last gen parts. If these ALU & FPU numbers are true the Semperons will be even faster then some of the fastest FX's of today.

"This is just estimated" So it all depends on how well they OC and if L3 as well as other arc enhancments will make the difference. There will be double the bandwidth on memory and system. It could be very close. But FPU performance will be superior with SSE4A.

[Serge84]

Yes i am. Im not a kiddie who wants attention, i say its not my CPU. I will ask him for validation. If i get a link i will post it here, if not i cant proove that this pic is real. Then i have to excuse me and try to have a validation with me next time. But im shure that he isnt liying to me cause i know him good and hes over 40 years old.

I hope we have some final proof. I can't wait to get the thing.

BTW thats a good OC on your rig.

[Lightman]

Guys, no offense but on this small corner you're showing w0mbat it's clearly visible that 'Level 3' is moved compared to 'Level 2' and is brighter as well (means 'tweaked').

Then pic from Serge84 is definitely 'tweaked' coz CPU-Z doesn't have 'Altair' name and 'AM2(+)' in file (you can view cpu-z.exe and check, there is only global 'K8L' signature). On top of that clocks are misplaced. CPU-Z always is centering text in boxes but on this pic they are biased to left. There is more to that like version of this tester, etc....

I would like to see any screens from AMD Quads and if you w0mbat will succeed with CPU-Z validation (or other informations) I will be more that happy

[Serge84]

Guys, no offense but on this small corner you're showing w0mbat it's clearly visible that 'Level 3' is moved compared to 'Level 2' and is brighter as well (means 'tweaked').

Then pic from Serge84 is definitely 'tweaked' coz CPU-Z doesn't have 'Altair' name and 'AM2(+)' in file (you can view cpu-z.exe and check, there is only global 'K8L' signature). On top of that clocks are misplaced. CPU-Z always is centering text in boxes but on this pic they are biased to left. There is more to that like version of this tester, etc....

I would like to see any screens from AMD Quads and if you w0mbat will succeed with CPU-Z validation (or other informations) I will be more that happy

Just how can you "VIEW" into the CPU-Z exe code?

[MAS]

here is an extract from cpu-z 1.38 data segment

SledgeHammer Athens E4 Venus (UP) EE HE AMD Opteron 1%2d Lancast
er AMD Turion 64 ML-%d AMD Turion 64 MT-%d SH8-E5 Newark Oakville Odessa
Mobile AMD Athlon 64 %2d00+ Toledo AMD Athlon 64 FX-%2d JH-E6 AMD Athlon
64 X2 %2d00+ BH-E4 Manchester DH-E3 DH-E6 Venice SH-E4 San Diego DH7
-CG NewCastle CH7-CG Paris SH7-B0 SH7-C0 SH7-CG ClawHammer AMD Athlon
64 %2d00+ BH-F2 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-%d AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Tay
lor AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-%d AMD Turion 64 Mobile Keene Mobile AMD
Sempron AMD Opteron 82%d SE AMD Opteron 82%d AMD Opteron 82%d HE AMD Optero
n 82%d EE AMD Opteron 22%d SE AMD Opteron 22%d AMD Opteron 22%d HE AMD Optero
n 22%d EE AMD Opteron 12%d EE AMD Opteron EE AMD Opteron 12%d HE AMD Opteron HE
Manila SH-F0 DH-F2 Orleans JH-F1 Windsor Brisbane ╕▲Е=AMD Athlon 64
X2 Mobile AMD Athlon 64 X2 %2d00+ Mobile AMD Athlon 64 X2 AMD Opteron 12%d
JH-F2 Santa Rosa AMD Opteron 12%d SE AMD Opteron SE AMD K8L Attached devic
e PCI device at bus %d, device %d, function %d
K8 Revision ID %d.%d
K8 Thermal sensor %s

[breakfromyou]

so are there real screenshots of cpu-z running on a K8L system? or are these fake...

[w0mbat]

Guys, no offense but on this small corner you're showing w0mbat it's clearly visible that 'Level 3' is moved compared to 'Level 2' and is brighter as well (means 'tweaked').
[...]

I cant see these things. Can u show me them? Because here it looks normal and nothing is brighter or moved. Maybe its ur screen.

[mAJORD]

I cant see these things. Can u show me them? Because here it looks normal and nothing is brighter or moved. Maybe its ur screen.

Dude the L3 cache line isn't even centered vertically!

fake. Sorry.

[Shintai]

So if he works for AMD, why would he supply fake screenshots. So much BS in this thread...and the usual few tries as always to make the 2 eggs into 5 chickens. Just a shame time with catch up soonish. Also I really doubt dualcores will have L3. The L3s benefit is extremely small for such a purpose. But its rather good for cache coherency control.

Serge84: I don´t think K8L got SSE4, but SSSE3. It would be very unlikely due to the fact Intel creates SSE4. (Also why in history AMDs SSE implementation ahve been alittle step behind).

[mAJORD]

ahh It's been stated for months the dual cores will have 2Mb L3

http://www.xfastest.com/redirect.php...8&goto=newpost (repost)

[w0mbat]

@mAJORD: Now i will ask him for validation. I mean, i know him good. He has no photoshop skills so maybe he just wanted to make a little joke on me. But i dont think that this is funny.

[Turtle 1]

This was IBM and AMDS news for Dec.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5329

After intel releases info that there new 45nm process uses Highk and metal gates IBM/AMD release news that they to have High K and Metal gates.

I believe in a thread you were saying how the above links info would be better than anything around. Which is it the linked info. or high K or whats actually going on here. The evidence points to market spin and hype.

So nn is it Ultra low K or is it high k . Its says in that article Zram is 15% faster using SS. Yet you say Zram only works on sol. Which is it nn.

Sorry about that guys this wasn't suppose to post in this thread . I had 2 threads open. But I decided to leave it as it does ask a valid qyestion.

[generics_user]

This was IBM and AMDS news for Dec.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5329

After intel releases info that there new 45nm process uses Highk and metal gates IBM/AMD release news that they to have High K and Metal gates.

I believe in a thread you were saying how the above links info would be better than anything around. Which is it the linked info. or high K or whats actually going on here. The evidence points to market spin and hype.

So nn is it Ultra low K or is it high k . Its says in that article Zram is 15% faster using SS. Yet you say Zram only works on sol. Which is it nn.

Sorry about that guys this wasn't suppose to post in this thread . I had 2 threads open. But I decided to leave it as it does ask a valid qyestion.

make your own damn topic, JUST READ THE TOPIC!, wait I'll make you a paint graph SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT !



IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT 45nm PROCESS AND HOW ADVANCED INTELS IS GO AND MAKE A THREAS IN THE INTEL SECTION, BUT STOP GOING OFFTOPIC IN THIS THREAD!!!

PS: turtle, you know that there is a delete button OK?
PPS: never knew how useful caps lock is

[w0mbat]

I asked him for a pic or validation and he replied that he will send me a off screen pic. Now i hope for a good end

[oldblue]

Sorry about that guys this wasn't suppose to post in this thread . I had 2 threads open. But I decided to leave it as it does ask a valid qyestion.

Hi Turtle 1. If you move your question to the proper thread, I'd be happy to address it.

[nn_step]

make your own damn topic, JUST READ THE TOPIC!, wait I'll make you a paint graph SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT !

[IMG][/IMG]

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT 45nm PROCESS AND HOW ADVANCED INTELS IS GO AND MAKE A THREAS IN THE INTEL SECTION, BUT STOP GOING OFFTOPIC IN THIS THREAD!!!

PS: turtle, you know that there is a delete button OK?
PPS: never knew how useful caps lock is

thanks for remembering to keep the nn lower case

[-Sweeper_]

take a look at my agena

[Lightman]

I asked him for a pic or validation and he replied that he will send me a off screen pic. Now i hope for a good end

Great! Any hints WHEN this will happen?

I think if you get this pic we all will own you couple of

[-Sweeper_]

barcelona is at rev. A3/B0 at the moment right?

[w0mbat]

Great! Any hints WHEN this will happen?

I think if you get this pic we all will own you couple of

I think it will take about one week if he wants a good fake
No, i think tomorrow

[Serge84]

K8L will be on 65nm Ge-SSOI with low K metal gates in 2007. They will use SGOI 45nm high K metal gates in 2008. What currently IBM uses in there 65nm POWER6 and cell processor when its manufactuered on 65nm later on. AMD will take great advantage of both of these fab processes in the next 2 years. These processes are much more complex and better then bulk silicon ever could.

[s7e9h3n]

I think it will take about one week if he wants a good fake
No, i think tomorrow

Here...I'll save you the trouble.....http://www.awardfabrik.de/forum/show...3&postcount=36

By the way, those are fake.....

[Knight]

Here...I'll save you the trouble.....http://www.awardfabrik.de/forum/show...3&postcount=36

Cool!

[JumpingJack]

K8L will be on 65nm Ge-SSOI with low K metal gates in 2007. They will use SGOI 45nm high K metal gates in 2008. What currently IBM uses in there 65nm POWER6 and cell processor when its manufactuered on 65nm later on. AMD will take great advantage of both of these fab processes in the next 2 years. These processes are much more complex and better then bulk silicon ever could.

There is no such thing as a 'low-k' metal gate.... 'low-k' is good for the backend processing for decreasing RC (wire) delay. Do you know what you are talking about? And the current gate material AMD is using is actually just plain old vanilla poly silicon, same as the rest of the industry.