For those interested nn-step pawned me pretty good on the core transitor count. Penryn increased it core logic transitor count by 17.8% . Still thats not bad if it increases performance.
For those interested nn-step pawned me pretty good on the core transitor count. Penryn increased it core logic transitor count by 17.8% . Still thats not bad if it increases performance.
Some discuss technical details and othersOriginally Posted by pocketbikeuk
about the weather
AMD isn't alone in the marketplace , as lons as there is a competitor comparisons will be made.What's your problem after all ? Need a pure AMD cheering ground ? Go to sharikou's blog and become one of his followers.
Give me Mod-Privlages and I'll delete all the Intel posts since this IS my thread and in a AMD forum is it not? =P
So physical proof of a real chip has been found. Must be a (ES).
I believe you would do a heck of alot more damage with Mod power than the Intel Fanboys could ever do
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It's got nothing to do with a cheering ground.
It's a K8L thread, I assume here so one can post and one can find information about K8L as it comes to hand, not sift through pages and pages and pages of intelvs amd flamewars.
Some discuss technical details and others
AMD isn't alone in the marketplace , as lons as there is a competitor comparisons will be made.What's your problem after all ? Need a pure AMD cheering ground ? Go to sharikou's blog and become one of his followers.
No
This is an Amd forum not a generally Intel vs Amd thread. You have no right to come here and spam like you do. You sir are a troller of the worst sort .Im so sick of your imature behaviour:
Fair enough and I am sure your staement fits me also. But we pretty much know everthing we can know about K8L .No
This is an Amd forum not a generally Intel vs Amd thread. You have no right to come here and spam like you do. You sir are a troller of the worst sort .Im so sick of your imature behaviour:
Everyone is a little ansie to see some es chips and bench marks that would help a lot. Right now all we have on K8l is that its going to be 40% than conroe. If its true why didn't AMD give us a real Demo in DEC?
You can't blame the intel side for standing up and saying hay show us the benchmarks instead of the marketing hype can ya.
It really adds more tension to the water now that intel has shown real demo's of Penryn Running with AO cores thats 20% faster with the same voltage and freq, as conroe. Add to that 17% increase in core logic. Anand says 20%. So I am assuming that translates to even more of a preformance boost. Than add into the fact these chips will like O/C to 4.75 ghz.
Its hard for the Intel side to stay outside when AMD has shown us nothing other the marketing hype. Wouldn't you agree?
I for one want to debate with the AMD side . I don't want to argue wth the amd side. Debate leads to more understanding . Argueing leads to flaming and closed threads. As insults strart fling around.
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Intel side vs amd side LOL.... I just felt like pointing out how ridiculous this kind of mind set is. Are you sub 15yo ? Jeez....
I have to ask : do you even know what trolling is ?No
This is an Amd forum not a generally Intel vs Amd thread. You have no right to come here and spam like you do. You sir are a troller of the worst sort .Im so sick of your imature behaviour:
Since when are technical facts trolling ? I ask again : how should an AMD only thread look like ?
In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others.
This thread is about Amd next generation processor. What makes you think that this thread is for Amd versus Intel or Penryn vs K8l. Sure you may post technical info, buts that info is not about K8l
Im just so sick of certain people invading the Amd K8l thread all the time just to post how much better this and that from Intel is. 2 Threads is allready been locked because of this
Here is 2 threads from the Intel forum which i had to search for in order to locate them. Why is it that a Thread made for an Future Amd processor get plenty of babble and such for Intel processor , while in the Intel forum theres almost no discussion at all?
And you have not posted in any of those threads either. Why is that Savantu?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ight=yorkfield
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ight=yorkfield
I think it's because savantu fits the description you gave.
He conveniently avoided those topics,but he somehow managed to post here.Really interesting
Please stop spamming MY Thread. God! You can ONLY talk about K8L nothing else off topic besides AMD related. This flaming has got to stop. Just ignore people from the other side ok? We are here for info about K8L we could care less what Intel can do.
(YOU REALLY SHOULD POST IN THE INTEL FORUMS IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A INTEL TOPIC, ITS GREAT AND ALL TO BRING UP USEFUL INFO BUT IN THE WRONG FORUMS IT'S USELESS. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT INTEL IF WE DID WE WOULD POST IN THE INTEL FORUMS "THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE". IF YOU CAN READ LAST TIME WE ALL CHECKED THIS WAS THE !!!AMD FORUMS!!! CAN'T SAY IT MUCH CLEAR THEN THAT... NOT A INTEL FORUM HELLO, MAKES NO SENSE WHAT SO EVER TO POST UNRELATED INFO IN A FORUM ABOUT A TOTALLY DIF CPU COMPANY, YA THINK... DURRHURR!?)
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i see people drawing Kuma screenshots
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Could it be true?
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Serge I will do as you asked. But if I see AMD K8L will be 40% than intel without showing the benchmarks . That invites me or anyone else in to thread. The moment Intel is mentioned. In those terms without proof. Its all hype which= fud. SHOW US THE BENCHMARKS before saying K8l will be 40% faster at the same clock.
Do you think this would be fair Serge. I for one don't want to see this thread closed . Some good stuff in year. Just leave Intel out of it and I see zero problems.
yes it could
Fast computers breed slow, lazy programmers
The price of reliability is the pursuit of the utmost simplicity. It is a price which the very rich find most hard to pay.
http://www.lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors/
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Somebody is trying to tease us with a Kuma's L3 cache (ES).
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1...ircpuidfr8.png
More teasing? Pic of a CPUz shot of a X4.
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Well to the other guy I didn't say K8L would be 40% faster. AMD did and its prob only in FPU because they did physically double it's size. But for everything else who knows, all we know is the specs say to expect similar speed performance to conroe because of the new cycle speeds of K8L.
I am just going by the sources, I don't go by anything else. I have just as much idea whats in store as the next guy. We just don't know yet. However AMD looks pretty excited about something to be braging about it. They usouly don't do a intel style show off. Its too early for benchmarks, I'm sure people have the (ES) but are waiting for the OK from AMD to show the Star processors. We never really see them until they come out or close to it like a month or 2 before, its usouly done only in the FAB's for testing is how AMD has always been.
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@Serge84
You know that pic showing CPU-Z shot of Altair is FAKE.
w0mbat pic is also FAKE...
Why are you doing this?
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If u know that its fake, then u also know where im from and why i should fake such a pic? Its funny, everyone is screaming fake just because u dont believe
And maybe im a fake too and just existing in ur brain? Like kindergande here, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, ...
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If we presume it's not fake, could you please tell us what processor is on that cpu-z right corner shot? Kuma (sempron successor?)If u know that its fake, then u also know where im from and why i should fake such a pic? Its funny, everyone is screaming fake just because u dont believe
And maybe im a fake too and just existing in ur brain? Like kindergande here, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, ...
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Nobody knows if they been edited or not because for one I just came across it, I didn't make the thing. It Could it be true. Maybe. Could it be a fake. Maybe. Who cares, and 1st of all there are (ES)'s out there of K8L there is physical proof these things have been made into a working CPU so why not?
Thats like saying the other companies cpu was fake when ppl showed specs on it when they where real (ES)'s how can this be any dif? Tell me how can we know for sure or not when K8L EXISTS AS A REAL CPU not just a peice of silcon on a die wafer. Its as bad as AMD showing it working in a task manager. You could say that was fake too. *Shrugs* If its fake or not it doesn't really matter, your just being inamaginative. Because thats not the point at all. Why am I doing WHAT? I didn't do anything I just showed what could be proof of (ES)'s. Next are you going to tell us the shots of the real physical cpus are also fakes?
The 1st K8L's come out in April or may. why wouldn't (ES)'s exist? Expecting it to come out much later? it was more like 9 months we saw the special (ES)'s of that other companies cpu. Did we challange the reliability of the 1st CPU-Z shots? Prob, then they ended up being real. So why hate on K8L so much, I'm not even starting.
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It is a pic from a friend working at AMD. He said its a K8L Antares dualcore. Maybe i can please him for validation.
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Kuma is the X2 K8L's, Rana is the dual core semprons, Agena is the X4's and AFX K8L's, Altair is a older star name they used but recently changed it to Agena. Spica is a single core K8L with very low performance. Information is unknown on the core speeds they will use.If we presume it's not fake, could you please tell us what processor is on that cpu-z right corner shot? Kuma (sempron successor?)
Last edited by Serge84; 01-30-2007 at 02:45 PM.
So your serious?
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http://www.xfastest.com/redirect.php...8&goto=newpost
Some more info.
Core Enchancements:
128 Bit floating point:
Applies only to Agena & Kuma
New SSE4A instructions:
Advanced Bit manipulation
MWAIT & MONITOR instructions
Misaligned SSE Mode
Additional Features:
Power management state invariant time stamp counter (TSC)
increased number of TLB Page entries
1GB large paging support
Physical address space increased to 48 bits
IMC Enhancements
DDR2 Dimms in products variations:
32 iFetch
Larger(OoO) Buffers
Socket AM2+: Dual Channel unbuffered 1066 support
Socket 1207+ Dual Channel unbuffered 1066 support
Memory Controller enhancements
Write Burst & DRAM prefetching performance improovements
DRAM writes can be buffered in the memory controller before being opportunistically bursted into DRAM controler to improve DRAM interface efficiency
Read prefetcher detects stride paterns and issues prefetch requests based on confidence level
Channel Interleaving
Roadmap:
Agena FX(K8L):
Q3 2007:
2.7-2.9GHz
4x512kB L2 cache
2MB shared L3 cache
Socket 1207+, 1207 compatible
4000MHz hypertransport Bus
TDP not determined yet
65nm SOI
Agena(K8L):
Q3 2007:
2.4-2.6GHz
4x512kB L2 cache
2MB shared L3 cache
Socket AM2+, AM2 compatible
4000MHz hypertransport Bus
TDP 125W
65nm SOI
Kuma(K8L):
Q3 2007:
2.0-2.9GHz
2x512kB L2 cache
2MB shared L3 cache
Socket AM2+, AM2 compatible
4000MHz hypertransport Bus
TDP 89W, 65W
65nm SOI
Kuma EE(K8L):
Q4 2007:
2.0-?GHz
2x512kB L2 cache
2MB shared L3 cache
Socket AM2+, AM2 compatible
4000MHz hypertransport Bus
TDP 35W
65nm SOI
Rana(K8L):
Q4 2007:
2.1-2.3GHz
2x512kB L2 cache
No shared L3 cache
Socket AM2+, AM2 compatible
2000MHz hypertransport Bus, HTT1
TDP 65W
65nm SOI
Sources:
Chilehardware
Dailytech
Just wanted to recap but most know this already.
From info based on what spec info we have I will try to make up a ALU and FPU chart of K8L on each processor speed if I have time. Just think that would be intresting just for fun to speculate performance.
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