Anyone seen the D-Tek Fuzion yet??

[Helmore]

Agreed, quad core chips as two cores will become a thing of the past very soon, but once that happens, they could just put two of those together to make the first 8-core cpu. It might take an extra process shrink to get power consumption within a reasonable envelope, but it would still be the fastest way to get it to market. They've taken this route twice now, and I don't see them breaking that habit and making their first 8-core a native 8-core.

I don't think that will go on forever, if we have to believe Intel's roadmaps. We now have Kentfield as a non-native quadcore and this will by the end of this year be replaced by yorkfield, which also is a non-native design (according to latest rumors, time will tell). Then afterward we will have Nehalem, a native quadcore with hyperthreading and as a result it will perform like an octo-core. But this new core will use a CSI, which will be much like AMD's Hypertransport (we will get to know the major differences in the future), but as with AMD's system this system will probably not allow it to have multiple dies in a single package, not with a major performance hit atleast. This ofcourse still is speculation and it might be that Intel designed CSI and it's processor architecture (the mem controller in particular) to still allow multiple dies in a single package.

[nikhsub1]

@nikhsub1,

What is your preferred method for applying the Shin-Etsu G751? I ordered some recently after seeing your recommendation.

A small dollop in the center of the IHS... no spreading just mount WB.

[rjblanke]

I don't think that will go on forever, if we have to believe Intel's roadmaps. We now have Kentfield as a non-native quadcore and this will by the end of this year be replaced by yorkfield, which also is a non-native design (according to latest rumors, time will tell). Then afterward we will have Nehalem, a native quadcore with hyperthreading and as a result it will perform like an octo-core. But this new core will use a CSI, which will be much like AMD's Hypertransport (we will get to know the major differences in the future), but as with AMD's system this system will probably not allow it to have multiple dies in a single package, not with a major performance hit atleast. This ofcourse still is speculation and it might be that Intel designed CSI and it's processor architecture (the mem controller in particular) to still allow multiple dies in a single package.

That's the info I was hoping for, thanks.

[IanY]

Yorkfield will only be released in the third quarter of 2007. Even that will have a split core.

You guys would be waiting forever, possibly until summer 2008!

[Mr. Peanut]

Yorkfield will only be released in the third quarter of 2007. Even that will have a split core.

You guys would be waiting forever, possibly until summer 2008!

...and by that time I bet there will be a better block than the Storm for cooling single dies.

[SiGfever]

...and by that time I bet there will be a better block than the Storm for cooling single dies.

There already is.....G5

[Mr. Peanut]

There already is.....G5

Allow me to re-phrase...a better block that can be found in plentiful quantity and isn't outrageously expensive.

[IanY]

Someone wanted to sell me a used G5 for $500. I told him that the G5 would best fit <censored> ..... lol

[nikhsub1]

I'm going to start a new thread when I have more numbers for more blocks... but this is what I have for the FuZion:

FuZion Mount 1
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Temp Avg. 64.037
Ambient Avg 20.556
Avg DeltaT 43.481

FuZion Mount 2
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Temp Avg. 64.811
Ambient Avg 21.875
Avg DeltaT 42.936

FuZion Mount 3
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Avg Temp 64.981
Avg Ambient 22.222
Avg DeltaT 42.759

[Fr3ak]

Am I missing something or are those temps 20C higher than the ones you posted earlier?

Average ambient = 20.372 C (6 records)
Average coretemps = 43.524 C (120,919 records)
DeltaT = 23.152 C

[IanY]

Darn. That's not sexy at all.

[nikhsub1]

Am I missing something or are those temps 20C higher than the ones you posted earlier?

you missed my post a couple of pages ago... I am now using TAT to generate LOAD temps... it makes the cpu hotter than any proggie i've ever seen. That is why the numbers are totally different

[nikhsub1]

Darn. That's not sexy at all.

WTF do you mean?

[m0da]

Darn. That's not sexy at all.

wow 43* dT

i concur

[mion]

you missed my post a couple of pages ago... I am now using TAT to generate LOAD temps... it makes the cpu hotter than any proggie i've ever seen. That is why the numbers are totally different

Is that quad or still dual core

[Methylphenidate]

I have one of these on its way to me as well. I don't have a particularly scientific testing method, and I'll simply be installing it into my loop to replace my APOGEE, but hopefully I get better results than THAT....

[h20 frag-monger]

I have one of these on its way to me as well. I don't have a particularly scientific testing method, and I'll simply be installing it into my loop to replace my APOGEE, but hopefully I get better results than THAT....

i think you guys are missing what Niksub1 is saying...he is using a different test method then he previously used so you can't compare these temps to his old test....
...his new method more in line with the test i ran (we are both using intel TAT to load/heat the cores) ...


Hey Niksub1,
Our delta's look pretty similar, besides the fact that these are 2 different test beds, mine are probably a bit higher since i was also overclocked.

(never mind i just saw that you were overclocked as well, i did use 1.7v however, maybe thats where the extra degs came from)

[nikhsub1]

All of you moaning about the dT, run your C2D at 3.85Ghz with 1.56V then use TAT to generate 100% load. Now, please, stop with the nonsense.

[SiGfever]

I am looking forward to seeing the comparisons when you get them done nik. Thanks for taking the time and effort for the test, we count on people such as you and a few others that we are sure will be very methodical and accurate.

[STEvil]

All of you moaning about the dT, run your C2D at 3.85Ghz with 1.56V then use TAT to generate 100% load. Now, please, stop with the nonsense.

Completely agree.

Running a single core of my T7400ES under load with TAT is enough to overheat my laptop...

[cdelong]

got my Fuzion in earlier today and finally got the loop bled.... darn T-line!!

I'll burn the ceramique in overnight, but I've got to say my MP-05 SP LE never idled at 30C like this Fuzion. MP-05 was generally 32- 33C.

The only thing I don't really care for is the mounting plate. Why couldn't they have done it like the MP-05?? Trying to get the hairless holes lined up without the waterblock hitting the IHS is a pain... ugghhh. I do like the spring limiters though

[SiGfever]

I bet putting a small bead of clear silicone along two edges where the block meets the mounting plate to "glue" it into position would be the way to go. Thanks for the heads up.

[IanY]

All of you moaning about the dT, run your C2D at 3.85Ghz with 1.56V then use TAT to generate 100% load. Now, please, stop with the nonsense.

I don't mean to be argumentative, nor did I mean to upset you. My C2D cannot run at 3.85, so kindly excuse me. 3.72 is all I can manage, but I have a space heater with four cores which puts out 130 watts of heat at stock speeds.

God knows how much heat is put out at 3.72 Ghz. Its hotter than I ever remembered for any cpu I've owned, and I've owned plenty of them.

All I know is that my ambients in my room are also about 22 degrees. The system still doesn't have a DeltaT of 43 degrees.

I will tell you that I don't know how taxing TAT is, but I have had all four cores loaded at 100% for more than a week now 24/7 without rebooting. It may not be TAT, but 100% load is still 100% load (using Folding@Home, which is pretty darn taxing), and at times Orthos on top of that, or some game. The system temps are not 62 degrees though.

I will go find TAT and try.

[cdelong]

good idea on the silicon thingy.

I couldn't wait... I loaded it up on Orthos and got 46-47C temps- steady for about 2 hours. Then I loaded it up on TAT and got 51-52C. I just ran TAT the other night with my MP-05 and was getting 55-56C.

This is with a fresh application of Ceramique on the Fuzion just this afternoon. The MP-05 runs were after Ceramique curing for about two weeks. I did have more than one mount on the MP-05, but this was the first mount with the Fuzion.

Needless to say I'm happy Now when my PA120.2 gets here.......

[cdelong]

I don't mean to be argumentative, nor did I mean to upset you. My C2D cannot run at 3.85, so kindly excuse me. 3.72 is all I can manage, but I have a space heater with four cores which puts out 130 watts of heat at stock speeds.

God knows how much heat is put out at 3.72 Ghz. Its hotter than I ever remembered for any cpu I've owned, and I've owned plenty of them.

All I know is that my ambients in my room are also about 22 degrees. The system still doesn't have a DeltaT of 43 degrees.

I will tell you that I don't know how taxing TAT is, but I have had all four cores loaded at 100% for more than a week now 24/7 without rebooting. It may not be TAT, but 100% load is still 100% load (using Folding@Home, which is pretty darn taxing), and at times Orthos on top of that, or some game. The system temps are not 62 degrees though.

I will go find TAT and try.

TAT will run about 5-10C higher than anything else you throw at your CPU.... anything else.