The Swiftech Challange

[OPPAINTER]

Check out the Swiftech waterblock challange.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=128243

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[serialk11r]

sweet, I hope my DIY block beats it

[punisher69]

I Wonder is this block has better performance then the Storm and by how much %.

[NGPlease]

Crap! They are releasing a new block already? Pfft. Nothing can beat the Storm.

[Mr. Peanut]

Crap! They are releasing a new block already? Pfft. Nothing can beat the Storm.

Nonbeliever!

[BobMaximus]

Probably an Apogee with a thinner base

Someone with a G5 needs to send it in to whoop that sucker

[NGPlease]

hahahaha. I'm just stubborn I bought my first storm a few days ago and I have yet to see the light.

[serialk11r]

Someone should sand down their storm g5, so the base is super thin, then mod it so its even more restrictive, like drill smaller holes into the little cups to create more surface area.

[NGPlease]

LOL. I doubt anybody who buys a G5 would EVER do that to it.

[serialk11r]

Someone with too much money would. It would increase performance, you know.

[BobMaximus]

It's already thin as hell.. in the storm the impingement cups have only a very, very thin layer of copper/silver between them and the base. Thats why it's so effective on bare dies (aside from the concentrated cooling area)

And hell, if i owned a G5 i probably would never use it, but instead build a shrine for it and pray to it every day

[EnJoY]

Most watercooling gurus can already take a good guess at the design techniques this block will likely employ. The design will be focused around quad core/large die cooling performance, much like the Apogee, but most likely in a higher quality construction and without a doubt in a more efficient design. Think of the possibility of lots of micro channels, or micro pins. Could even be an evolution of the MCW5000/Apogee by basically using it's same design, but scaling it up by shrinking each tiny diamond machined into the base by 100-200% and multiplying them.

The Storm series of blocks won't be able to challenge this design on the larger die's, such as quad cores, but they will still reign supreme on the single core and even 65nm dual cores.

That's my prediction...

[BobMaximus]

I agree, i believe it will be some kind of pin matrix design with a very thin base, probably with some kind of impingement nozzle. I'm guessing it will be less restrictive than the storm though.

I honestly think that IF it beats the storm, it will only beat it by 1C* or less, because last time swiftech came up with their newest "extreme performance waterblock" (apogee) that supposedly beat the storm, it didn't.

I don't want to start another Storm v. Apogee flame war, so I'm just going to state that this post is based off of my opinion.

[serialk11r]

If you think about it, the smaller the channels or pins or cups get, the more effective, because its more surface area=more concentrated efficiency.

[BobMaximus]

And add the effects on temperature of turbulence from an impingement nozzle, and you have a good performance block

I just realized we're basically describing the AquaXtreme MP-05 series with finer, smaller, denser pins..

edit:typo..

[hopper]

sweet i just built in oct and when this comes out if i get it i will have gone through a whole set of parts

[EnJoY]

I agree, i believe it will be some kind of pin matrix design with a very thin base, probably with some kind of impingement nozzle. I'm guessing it will be less restrictive than the storm though.

I honestly think that IF it beats the storm, it will only beat it by 1C* or less, because last time swiftech came up with their newest "extreme performance waterblock" (apogee) that supposedly beat the storm, it didn't.

I don't want to start another Storm v. Apogee flame war, so I'm just going to state that this post is based off of my opinion.

Well the Apogee does outperform the Storm on large die's, such as Kentsfield, and you'll soon see accurate proof of this.

I don't think it will use impingement, as it adds to restriction and I don't think Swiftech will go that route. It will rely on a solid, rather tried and true as a matter a fact, design for the base that will perform excellently on large dies.

[ira-k]

It's already thin as hell.. in the storm the impingement cups have only a very, very thin layer of copper/silver between them and the base. Thats why it's so effective on bare dies (aside from the concentrated cooling area)

And hell, if i owned a G5 i probably would never use it, but instead build a shrine for it and pray to it every day

LOL....Me to ....

[Charles Wirth]

My block is ready to take the win, ALU high flow design.

We can also test TIM from various companies as well, test the PCM vs Zalman super grease vs ceramics.

[EnJoY]

My block is ready to take the win, ALU high flow design.

We can also test TIM from various companies as well, test the PCM vs Zalman super grease vs ceramics.

I don't think Alu will do it, especially with the flow you'll have Charles. But good luck.

[Helmore]

My guess is that the test setup will probably be using a MCP655 because they are on 1/2" tubing and will most likely only be using equipment that is sold by SwiftTech. I would also like to see if that block still reign suppreme to all other blocks if you put a Core 2 Duo under it, will the storm be the performance leader if you do that or their new block?

[Helmore]

I don't think Alu will do it, especially with the flow you'll have Charles. But good luck.

Should he have made it out of stainless steel instead?

[EnJoY]

Should he have made it out of stainless steel instead?

Silver/Coppy maybe? Aluminum needs that much more water passing over it to match copper because copper can absorb more heat than alu can.

[IanY]

We already know that the Storm design is not best equipped for the QX6700 with IHS. Look at the contest rules. It specifically mentions QX6700 and with IHS. Forget the Storm, the G5 or anything Storm related.

This contest is rigged so that any Storm block is placed at an immediate disadvantage. I say sand down an Apogee-design pure silver block. Hate to point this out, but the stock Apogee already beats out the stock Storm Rev 2 when it comes to the QX6700.

I personally own six Storm blocks, but my flagship machine uses an Apogee. Wonder why.

[BobMaximus]

I personally own six Storm blocks, but my flagship machine uses an Apogee. Wonder why.

Cause it is quad-core?

I'm curious to see what this is, but I'm betting it's an apogee clone with better machining. It will most likely beat the storm because it will have larger cooling surface, but to call it a new champion, I believe, is wrong. Like another said, it would have to beat the storm on single and dual core applications to take that title..at least in my opinion it does.
And which block will be the best when 45nm comes out, and the die is even smaller?

This reminds me of that NorthWizard thread a couple weeks ago...