The CES Swiftech waterblock Challenge/ XS Party

[OPPAINTER]

Xtremesystems will be hosting a party at CES on Januray 9th at 8:00 PM. During this party Swiftech has a challenge for any of you watercooling gurus that will be attending CES.

Swiftech will be launching a new waterblock on Janurary 15th. For those of you attending CES you can get a sneak peek at this new blocks performance. Swiftech is so confident that this block is the best waterblock ever made that they are inviting everybody and anybody to drop by the XS party for a waterblock challenge.

A simple test really, we will have a QX6700 (Quad Core) overclocked at high voltage. We will have a basic water-loop made up from the Swiftech H20-220 watercooling kit (1/2” ID tubing).
http://swiftech.com/products/H20-220-APEX.asp
We will then load up all 4 cores 100% each and take the temperature readings for both the ambient and the cores.
Now the challenge begins, anyone can bring any waterblock which they think is the best and we will hook it up to the same water-loop (same configuration). We will then take the temperatures of the challenger.

The person that can beat the new Swiftech Block, or should I say “If by some miracle somebody beats the Swiftech Block” they will take home a new Swiftech P180 Quiet Power. http://swiftech.com/products/Qpower-P180.asp

A few simple rules: No TEC blocks, your block must be ½” ID tubing capable for easy install on the loop, only one prize will be given out (it will go to the person with the best temps).
Other then that, it’s all good. All brands of waterblocks are welcome, homemade blocks included. All independent users and waterblock manufacturer representatives are welcome to take their best shot.

Even if you do not want to participate, drop by the XS party anyway for FREE food and drinks.
Free rides to and from your Hotel provide by XS.

January 9th 8:00
4830 W. Oquendo
Las Vegas, NV 89118

Map -> http://www.google.com/maps?hl=en&lr=...i=lmd&z=14&t=m

You can also go by this thread in the water-cooling section for additional comments on the topic.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=128244

[Graystar]

What about mail-in submissions? Any kind of system for that?

[Petra]

Sounds amusing... Unfortunately, I doubt that I'll make it to CES this year--too much work to do.

So, how many people do you suppose will call foul due to the "testing methodologies" being employed?

Pandora's box is ready and waiting

[EnJoY]

Mosts watercooling gurus can already take a good guess at the design techniques this block will likely employ. The design will be focused around quad core/large die cooling performance, much like the Apogee, but most likely in a higher quality construction and without a doubt in a more efficient design. Think of the possibility of lots of micro channels, or micro pins. Could even be an evolution of the MCW5000/Apogee by basically using it's same design, but scaling it up by shrinking each tiny diamond machined into the base by 100-200% and multiplying them.

The Storm series of blocks won't be able to challenge this design on the larger die's, such as quad cores, but they will still reign supreme on the single core and even 65nm dual cores.

That's my prediction...

[VulgarHandle]

what about blocks with 3 connections? and yeah, i'm guessing flow will have alot to do with it...

[kamongear]

Quick, someone fly cathar in and tell him to bring his G7.

Edit:Oh thats probably a low flow set up hence why its the "best".

[epion2985]

Quick, someone fly cathar in and tell him to bring his G7.

Edit:Oh thats probably a low flow set up hence why its the "best".

Thats a pretty realistic scenario =/

The Storm series of blocks won't be able to challenge this design on the larger die's, such as quad cores, but they will still reign supreme on the single core and even 65nm dual cores.

That's my prediction...

Not really. The G7 thats about to come out features a larger patch and is optimized for quad cores. I doubt switech will take the top, and if yes only until the G7 is out.

They are so confident that they have the best production block in the world, that if somebody beats it they only get a computer case? It doesn't sound like they have a lot of confidence if that's all they offer.

I agree, thats a sh_tty reward for them being so sure. If they really were serious they should have thrown down $10,000 or even more serious prize money.

My take is they are using this contest to use other peoples ideas and design to learn from and use them selves.

[EnJoY]

Not really. The G7 thats about to come out features a larger patch and is optimized for quad cores. I doubt switech will take the top, and if yes only until the G7 is out.

I haven't followed the G7's development for months now, but iirc, the G7 is merely an evolutionary step up the Storm ladder, being very similar to the G5, but with twice the jets and cups and some other 'minor' improvements and tweaks. I wouldn't call this optimized for quad cores as it's still a very small patch for cooling when compared with the MCW5000/Apogee and MCW6000 designs.

[DeltZ]

ultra efficient jet impingement block I would have thought. They seem to do best.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

I haven't followed the G7's development for months now, but iirc, the G7 is merely an evolutionary step up the Storm ladder, being very similar to the G5, but with twice the jets and cups and some other 'minor' improvements and tweaks. I wouldn't call this optimized for quad cores as it's still a very small patch for cooling when compared with the MCW5000/Apogee and MCW6000 designs.

nope, the G7 has an enlarged cooling patch as well. It'll probably be the last Storm iteration, though a G8 would be possible with an aerospace industry-grade CNC, anything higher would be virtually impossible due to jet/cup size. Swiftech must have something totally different here.

[n00b 0f l337]

Hmmm size restrictions to the block? If so I'll build a bong cooler with a small copper block base. Unbeatable.

[[XC] moddolicous]

Mounting may also be a big deciding factor in this little competition. Good mounting vs OK mounting can be the deciding factor for the winner. I'll be surprised if no one from XS could beat some water block Swiftech made.

[n00b 0f l337]

Yes but its hard to know what block to bring without more knowledge on the loop. I'd imagine its a MCp350 + 2x120mm radiator.

[RyderOCZ]

Yes but its hard to know what block to bring without more knowledge on the loop. I'd imagine its a MCp350 + 2x120mm radiator.

Its in OPP's post: http://swiftech.com/products/H20-220-APEX.asp

[Charles Wirth]

I will be firing up the triple stage cascade as well.

We will have contact phone numbers posted before the event for those who need rides.

XS vehicle window stickers for those attending.

[Okda]

XS vehicle window stickers for those attending.

how can a guy liek me from Egypt get one fo those

can u please send me the image atleast and i will print here

[Sparky]

wish I could attend but it isn't possible Contest sounds interesting though, Someone will have to report back as to who the winner is

[Cupcake]

Id imagine they would use the MCP655 and a 2x120mm rad

isnt the 355 native for 3/8 tubing

anyway, im sure with a mill I could kick swiftechs ass but with my only tool (a dremel) lol I couldnt really do anything

[VulgarHandle]

anyway, im sure with a mill I could kick swiftechs ass but with my only tool (a dremel) lol I couldnt really do anything

hey man, all you need is a dremel and a hope

i suggest you get to work

[Cupcake]

I would also need some copper :p

maybe some silver

oh and a plane ticket to nevada

[freecableguy]

Our choice of TIM?

[Nanobot]

Could it be replacing the Apogee as their new "top-end" CPU block ?

Humm... Maybe that why Apogee's are out of stock in most shops.
I've been trying to find an Apogee to upgrade my loop but now this news makes me happy I didn't find one and didn't go for a Storm instead.

Even if the test bench is not accurate the results should prove to be interesting.

Our choice of TIM?

Yeah put some CooLaboratory Liquid Pro in there !
Hehe, got two syringe of it here

[Kunaak]

Our choice of TIM?

I doubt it.
it should be as consistent in testing as possible.
same paste for every block is the only thing that makes sense.

[Shpoon]

Maybe a "weaker" pump with less head, to use an Apogee like block so that everyone with G7s will do terrible?

[illmatik]

If you're confident in your design, the TIM or loop shouldn't matter.. the pump however could be the make or break. A few years back, swifty seemed to be the top performers with modest flowrates for a readily available product in the US market. I know elsewhere in the world, wild things were done with that thin tubing and stuff. Judging by the test bed's pump, you'll have some decent pumping power available to you if you're thinking in terms of the general retail WC market (hard for many if not most of us to do, I know


Can't wait to see what's in store!! I'm wondering if Cathar didn't offer any consulting in this new one, or was the Cathar<->Swiftech relationship soured somehow?