brisbane dual core 65nm

[epion2985]

Acording to the amd road map we will see "brisbane" dual core am2 65nm in first half of 2007. Does anyone know more specifically weather this will be quater1 or 2.

Also what do you foresee more powerful, Windzor FX or brisbane?

[Mikael]

Brisbane will debut in December (you can see that the Brisbane bar stretches into 2006). Since Brisbane is highly unlikely to perform any better (more than a few percent) than previous dual cores, Windsor FX will probably be faster due to the larger L2 cache. Brisbane might, however, overclock to higher frequencies than 90nm parts and therefore outperform Windsor. The real benefits with Brisbane will be (hopefully) considerably lower power consumption and possibly lower prices.

There's a lot of "might", "possibly" and "hopefully" in this post. We'll see in a few weeks. If I have the money, I'm going to get one. Unless initial reports reveal that they overclock like crap. I'm hoping for 3GHz with reasonable power consumption.

[AsAsIn8eR]

This sounds like crap.They changing sockets one after another.What does AM2+ mean and HT3? Will I need another board?

[The Ghost]

what i have read is that a am3 cpu will work in a am3 , am2+, and a am2 motherboard

a am2+ cpu will work work in all three motherboards also

a am2 cpu will work only in a am2 motherboard

[epion2985]

I see. When do you think Windsor FX's will be hitting the market?


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This sounds like crap.They changing sockets one after another.What does AM2+ mean and HT3? Will I need another board?

HT3 = Hyper-Transport 3.0 , as opposed to 2.0 I think we have now.

[Serge84]

I see. When do you think Windsor FX's will be hitting the market?


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HT3 = Hyper-Transport 3.0 , as opposed to 2.0 I think we have now.

Your kidding? Windsors have been out for months and a 3ghz is about to come out with a X2 6000 renamed (FX64) and a FX74.

If you want Hyper transport 3 overclock your boards hyper transport when you put a Hyper transport 3 cpu into your old AM2. You'd see real benifits since the cpu has links capable of the speeds of 4gt/s upto 5.2gt/s.

[epion2985]

ht3.0 is in second half of 2007, such a long wait wish it was sooner.

[GenTarkin]

so, Im confused which one is the K8L?.....

[Mikael]

so, Im confused which one is the K8L?.....

That would be Agena, Kuma, Rana and Spica.

ht3.0 is in second half of 2007, such a long wait wish it was sooner.

Why? HT3 itself is not going to give any performance increases. Current chips are not limited by the HyperTransport bus, which can easily be seen by lowering the HT multiplier. Quad core (Agena) might push the HyperTransport bus a lot more, which could mean that HT3 might be necessary to sustain maximum performance. What's going to increase performance is the architectural enhancements in the new core and HT3 is simply there to make sure that the core doesn't become I/O limited. So, the drool object is the new core and not the updated bus protocol. Well, it might be if you're into servers and really need the new features.

[GenTarkin]

ah thanks mikael - I wasnt aware of the new core names yet for K8L...Ive not been keeping up on the K8L buzz lol.
I cant wait to see how it performs tho.

[epion2985]

Your kidding? Windsors have been out for months and a 3ghz is about to come out with a X2 6000 renamed (FX64) and a FX74.

I meant the windsor FX, socket 1207, dual core 4x4. I don't see any socket 1207 cpu's from amd yet...

[Serge84]

I meant the windsor FX, socket 1207, dual core 4x4. I don't see any socket 1207 cpu's from amd yet...

They will come in the end of 2006. We already seen them deminstrated with encoding 2 HD movies and playing 2 games at the same time. Google quad father. I think they are set to come out in the next few weeks. Like around 65nm's release date the 5th of Dec.

Id get Kuma. Only 2 cores are disabled but it would cost no more then the dual cores. Quad cores will be expencive. But AMD's approce is to make dozens of different models so even quad cores will be on the low end side too. Maybe I'd spend the extra money who knows. Only 2 cores will be used ever really because of programer limits for awile.

[Rickster_64]

All I can say is if they are not hitting decently over 3ghz why switch. I mean, AMD had FX-55's on 130nm getting upto 3ghz back in what, 2003? Sure its single core, but really why get excited over that? The progression of hardware has all but stopped on the AMD side for now, so I would rather put my cash towards a DX10 card and leave my other stuff alone.

[nn_step]

I meant the windsor FX, socket 1207, dual core 4x4. I don't see any socket 1207 cpu's from amd yet...

There are lots of s1207 procs to pick from
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=&srchInDesc=

[Rickster_64]

I am shocked that a week from release, no one is even saying they know someone with a 65nm AMD chip let alone talking about them. I know NDA's are tight but I am still surprised not a single word. They must really be sucky I guess, lol

[MAS]

I am shocked that a week from release, no one is even saying they know someone with a 65nm AMD chip let alone talking about them.

that is AMD strategy position
brisbane, barcelona and new Radeon are hidden from entusiasts -)

[alayashu]

some hints

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...128065611.html

[doompc]

Socket F Opterons need registered RAM to work, 4x4 CPUs won't.

[epion2985]

All I can say is if they are not hitting decently over 3ghz why switch. I mean, AMD had FX-55's on 130nm getting upto 3ghz back in what, 2003? Sure its single core, but really why get excited over that? The progression of hardware has all but stopped on the AMD side for now, so I would rather put my cash towards a DX10 card and leave my other stuff alone.

This isn't really a matter of money so there is little reason to penny pinch and invest in outdated technology. Why get excited over multiple cores you ask? Why do you even ask?

There are lots of s1207 procs to pick from
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=&srchInDesc=

So socket 1207 = socket F?

I will be buying in February 2007. Any big breaks by then from amd or intel?

[MAS]

I will be buying in February 2007.

how much money do you plan to spend?
If without limit - your choice is kent qx6700
it is much faster than 2xFX K8 when OCed

[red]

http://amdzone.net/modules.php?op=mo...rder=0&thold=0

I asked about samples, and while AMD acknowledged the request there is no word yet as to if or when samples are going out for review. It also appears the 4X4 review samples have also been completely botched. In about a decade of following AMD I call that not a good sign for the immediate future.

Straight from the official AMD Fanboi site leader

[doompc]

Looks like Brisbane has some K8L features like 4 decoders, Out-Of-Order store bufer and OOO L2 cache read/write.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32322
http://129.15.202.185/athlon_rev_g/wtf_mates.html

[Lightman]

Looks like Brisbane has some K8L features like 4 decoders, Out-Of-Order store bufer and OOO L2 cache read/write.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32322
http://129.15.202.185/athlon_rev_g/wtf_mates.html

They mixed up K8L very early prototypes with Brisbane. TBH till today I didn't saw any SINGLE die shot of Brisbane CPU.
This may be because we will see some surprise from AMD? But realistically I'm expecting optical shrink of Rev F.

[WeStSiDePLaYa]

i await brisbane, and hope to see some core enhancements.

also, whats the difference between kuma and rana?

[VulgarHandle]

also, whats the difference between kuma and rana?

L2 cache maybe? good question