OC Report: Team Xtreem 2x1GB PC6400 C4s (TXDD2048M800HC4DC)

[3oh6]

I recently grabbed this kit and figured that I should throw together a quick overclocking report. Haven't gotten anything crazy out of them but still, another solid kit of D9GMH.


I think everyone here is more than familiar with Team Group and their line of Xtreem memory so I won't bother with much of an introduction as it isn't necessary. I will mention that Team Group does offer a lifetime warranty on their memory and is very forward with letting you know what ICs are planted on the PCBs of each stick which is highly appreciated by this user. The fact that heatspreaders are up to the users discretion is very nice as well.

The modules I will be testing today are a retail sample I purchased. They can be found at DirectCanada.com for about $320CDN and Tank Guys has this kit listed for $287USD for you south of my border crowd. These are not hand picked or even a review sample that might have tested well, just your plain jane run of the mill package off the shelf if you will. Here is a quick list of the specifications I have put together:

* Part # TXDD2048M800HC4DC
* ICs: Micron D9GMH
* Available in 1GB Dual Channel kits as well
* PC2-6400 800MHz 4-4-4-12
* 64x8 DDR2 FBGA Chips
* 240pin, Non-ECC, Un-buffered DDR2 SDRAM DIMM
* Aluminum Heat-spreader
* 6 Layers Ultra Low Noises Shielded PCB
* Retail Package
* Operating Voltage: 2.0V - 2.2V
* Lifetime Warranty

Now, with the boring pleasentries out of the way, time to get to the good stuff...eye candy!


Package:
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I have already mentioned that the Team Group memory does not come with heatspreaders attached. They come in a seperate package so that the end user can decide whether or not they want them on. This makes identifying the ICs without voiding warranty as simple as reading the label. For this review, the heatspreaders will not be touching the modules. I normally take them off all of my RAM, so Team Group has saved me a step


Package Contents:
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Naked sticks look better IMO than those with heatspreaders anyway so I am partial to the plain looking memory pr0n but I have to admit, the silver heatspreaders that come with the Team Group memory are very nice indeed. Not nice enough to wreck the cool factor of stripped sticks but damn fine looking if I say so myself. Those will likely end up as a badge on something if not in a small frame on the wall...instant art. Identifying the ICs isn't brain surgery with naked sticks and we can clearly see D9GMH...is there really anything else? Other than "fatbodies" and D9GKX of course.


Install & Testing:
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Installation is straightforward and the first image is of the setup for the AMD testing. The second image gives away what will be used in conjunction with the P5B-Dlx for this review. The third image above is how the setup looked for testing on the P5B-Dlx. Here is a complete break-down of the hardware on each setup:

AMD Setup:                                 Intel Setup:
MB: DFI LanParty NF590 SLI-M2R/G           MB: Asus P5B-Dlx Wifi
CPU: AMD64 X2 4000+ (CCBYF 0620UPMW)       CPU: Intel C2D E6300 (L626A453)
CPU Cooling: Asetek WaterChill             CPU Cooling: Thermalright Ultra-120
PSU: OCZ GameXStream 700W                  PSU: Silverstone Zeus 560W
HD: Seagate SATAII 80GB 8MB NCQ            HD: Seagate SATAII 80GB 8MB NCQ
OS: Windows 2K3                            OS: Windows 2K3
                                           EXTRA: Hipro-Tech.com DDR Maximizer
Ambient Temperature: 22-23C

I have decided on a self imposed limit for the initial results on this memory at 2.6v. With the DFI board and the Maximizer, voltage is unlimited, but I need this memory to actually do some work before I go and kill it so for now...2.6v is all it will see. Time for some benches...

All results are simply dual 32M SuperPi stable...that is it, that is all. No Memtest or Prime testing is or will be done. Dual 32M SPi stable at the timings I use are pretty much going to be Prime stable with or without a bit of work on the secondaries. I like dual 32M as a stability test for memory so that is what I will show.

Also keep in mind that the voltage reading from SmartGaurdian on the AMD results reads the VDIMM about 0.11v low from what is reported in the BIOS. Enjoy...

3-3-3-X:
Intel:
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DDR800 :: 3-3-3-8 :: 2.45v
DDR820 :: 3-3-3-8 :: 2.55v
DDR830 :: 3-3-3-8 :: 2.60v

AMD:
CAS 3 didn't take too kindly to my X2 4000+, perhaps I will see if my 3200+ will be a willing participant later on in life.


4-3-3-X:
AMD:
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DDR800 :: 4-3-3-5 :: 2.25v
DDR840 :: 4-3-3-5 :: 2.45v


4-4-3-X:
Intel:
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DDR850 :: 4-4-3-4 :: 2.00v
DDR890 :: 4-4-3-4 :: 2.10v
DDR950 :: 4-4-3-4 :: 2.25v
DDR990 :: 4-4-3-4 :: 2.40v
DDR1015 :: 4-4-3-4 :: 2.45v
DDR1040 :: 4-4-3-8 :: 2.60v

AMD:
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DDR840 :: 4-4-3-5 :: 2.00v
DDR880 :: 4-4-3-5 :: 2.10v
DDR930 :: 4-4-3-5 :: 2.20v
DDR960 :: 4-4-3-5 :: 2.30v
DDR1040 :: 4-4-3-5 :: 2.47v
DDR1070 :: 4-4-3-5 :: 2.60v


5-4-4-X:
AMD:
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DDR940 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.00v
DDR980 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.10v
DDR1030 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.20v
DDR1070 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.33v
DDR1100 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.42v
DDR1120 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.50v
DDR1140 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.60v


5-5-4-X:
Intel:
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DDR1020 :: 5-5-4-5 :: 2.40v
DDR1040 :: 5-5-4-5 :: 2.47v
DDR1060 :: 5-5-4-5 :: 2.60v

AMD:
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DDR1130 :: 5-5-4-5 :: 2.20v
DDR1180 :: 5-5-4-5 :: 2.30v
DDR1200 :: 5-5-4-5 :: 2.45v
DDR1220 :: 5-5-4-5 :: 2.52v
Past DDR1220 my CPU runs out of steam without chilled water but this CPU is so badly cold bugged that it doesn't really go much past 3100MHz without a balancing act. Needless to say, this memory won't really be pushed to its limits on an AMD board until I get a better CPU. Bring on the 65nm goodness


5-5-5-8:
Intel
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DDR1020 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.00v
DDR1080 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.10v
DDR1120 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.20v
DDR1160 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.35v
DDR1200 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.50v
Finally with the 0804 BIOS and a phase change on my E6300, the 1:1 memory divider was able to clock this memory at CL5. You will notice that the DDR1120+ runs are on the 2:3 divider, I just couldn't get 560FSB+ to run dual 32M stable 1:1. That is where my stock P5B-Dlx seems to run out of steam.

So there you have it...my preliminary results from this memory kit and I am quite pleased. This memory ran very smoothly and had no problems booting in the P5B-Dlx from a freshly reset CMOS. I hope to add more results as I get them but for the most part, the bulk of what I will be posting is up. Perhaps some 680i action is in order as soon as my P5N32-E SLI comes in so look for that.

[hipro5]

Ououuu......TOO much measurements you got there M8......

That's good......both AMD and Intel rigs with the same modules is a good comparo......Thanks for your effort/time.......

Now, after you have finished all of these, try with more Vdimm please.....

[Progerien]

Nice
Really good comparo
But it's standard D9GMH performances
Why don't you try higher voltages ?

I have this memory too, but in 2x512 sticks. And I had heatspreaders already on it when I buy it
I buy it new :/

Do you think I will lost my warranty if I remove this heatspreaders ? Because I don't want it :/

Thank you very much

Edit: I see you have EPP on intel plateform Cpu-z manage it ? :/

Sincerely,

[3oh6]

i need these sticks to work for me for a while so there will be no extended periods of time over 2.5v~2.6v. i can't justify spending $300 just to kill them...i wish i could

this isn't so much of an update but just a new personal best in SPi 32M achieved with this kit of memory. i will likely keep this thread updated with any new milestones or interesting results.



second fastest E6300 / E6400 32M time on HWBot.org

[wa77ss]

Nice work!

Keep in mind 2.5v+ severely damages your ram when run for more than quick benches (ie super-pi 1mb).

[Eldonko]

Nice review Jody, cool layout and extensive tests. Someone send this man some review mem!

What cooling you using on that 6300?

[Yay for Cheese]

Hmm...I was expecting at least 600mhz from this stuff

[Praxis1452]

Hmm...I was expecting at least 600mhz from this stuff

Said that around DDR900+ is the sweet spot and from then on you want timings.

[3oh6]

What cooling you using on that 6300?

thanx man, the E6300 was on a Thermalright Ultra-120 for the testing in the first post. it is 24/7 stable at 510*7 under that beast.

the 32M run in my reply is done with a Chilly1 SS. the mount was crappy when i was doing that testing but it wasn't effecting the work i was doing so i didn't bother fixing it. under this SS i can run 550*7 24/7 stable with 1.5v set in BIOS (1.45v in Windows under load).

[Eldonko]

You find you get more mhz using Maximizer over the same voltage from just the board?

[3oh6]

You find you get more mhz using Maximizer over the same voltage from just the board?

i haven't had time to do extensive testing for this but so far, no, i haven't seen a noticeable overclock difference going from P5B-Dlx supplied VDIMM and the Maximizer. i did a few quick checks at some clocks and they both seemed to run memory at the same stable frequency or within a few MHz.

i have been up to my eyeballs in work and have only been running at high voltages for benching and stuff so i haven't really used the Maximizer below 2.30ish VDIMM but sometime in the coming weeks i want to see if there is a loticeable difference at 2.0v and up VS the motherboards VDIMM. results from that testing will go into that Maximizer thread i started a while ago...man i need ot get around to that testing soon

[DeToNaToR.cl]

3-3-3-X:
Intel:
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DDR800 :: 3-3-3-8 :: 2.45v

Do they really need 2.45v for 3-3-3-X @ 400Mhz?

My G.Skill HZ, also GMH I think, can do 400Mhz 3-3-3-8 at 2.25v

[3oh6]

Do they really need 2.45v for 3-3-3-X @ 400Mhz?

yup, single 32M is do-able with a bit less...2.42v. keep in mind we have different motherboards and that can sometimes play a role but it looks like your particular kit is stronger that this kit of mine.

[quent]

Woooww.. Very nice review man ! Thanks a lot for sharing your results. I have the same kit, I'll test it soon

Regards,
Quentin

[Kain XS]

Nice results. Im going for the same kit you´ve got.

Will post results later.

[3oh6]

thanks guys...i will try to get some 4-5-5-x testing done this weekend if i can find some time on the intel rig.

[Exedy]

really nice!

1200 @ 5-4-4-8 with 2.45~2.5v would be possible?

nice results

[TeamUSOffice]

Jody,
Very nice review.
Looking forward to see more =D.

[Eldonko]

Hey Jody, could you test top end mhz with low vdimm (~2.2v) on c2d? Curious if you can get more mhz with cas 4 over 5. cheers bro

[3oh6]

will do Eldonko...i will throw them in the Intel setup right now and see how CAS5 responds at lower voltage.

i just posted 5-4-4-x AMD results in the first post for OCFX. the results really weren't what i was hoping for or expecting...tRCD of 4 didn't run as high as we both thought i guess.

5-4-4-X:
AMD:
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DDR940 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.00v
DDR980 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.10v
DDR1030 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.20v
DDR1070 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.33v
DDR1100 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.42v
DDR1120 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.50v
DDR1140 :: 5-4-4-5 :: 2.60v

[3oh6]

Hey Jody, could you test top end mhz with low vdimm (~2.2v) on c2d? Curious if you can get more mhz with cas 4 over 5. cheers bro

here ya got mate...finally figured out the CL5 issues i was having before. this P5B-Dlx definitely likes 5-5-5-x better than 5-5-4-x. i managed to pul CL5 all the way up to DDR1200

5-5-5-8:
Intel
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DDR1020 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.00v
DDR1080 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.10v
DDR1120 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.20v
DDR1160 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.35v
DDR1200 :: 5-5-5-8 :: 2.50v

[over@locker886]

Another oc report topic, have a lot..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=team

[Eldonko]

here ya got mate...finally figured out the CL5 issues i was having before. this P5B-Dlx definitely likes 5-5-5-x better than 5-5-4-x. i managed to pul CL5 all the way up to DDR1200

Hmm that is interesting, thanks for checking that. Seems the trp 4 vs 5 is hit and miss, I have some sticks that wont gain 1 mhz from changing trp from 4 to 5 and some that will (on the same board).

Nice results bro, that maximizer is so kick ass.

[<><]

im running these at 389 (778) at 1:1 at 4-4-4-4 @ 2.1v dual pi stable. 4-4-3-4 doesnt pass dual pi, tried different voltages etc.

[Evo155]

Nice review!!

Bought myself a pair of those and they rock!