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    In Need of Volunteers For Product Testing...

    Hey everyone!

    I am in need of a few volunteers (about 5 or so, preferably in the US) to assist in testing a new coolant additive/concentrate that I've put together, with the help of Hound53. Basically, it's a non-glycol based coolant concentrate that you mix with distilled water to provide corrosion prevention, deposit control, pump & seal lubrication, and protection from algae, bacterial, and fungal growth. Additionally, after being diluted with distilled water, the resulting coolant is pretty harmless due to the very low concentration of chemicals needed for the coolant to be effective (though, you still shouldn't drink it... ). The final coolant should be only slightly more conductive than pure distilled water (so, likely, the result would be conductivity that's somewhere around that of Fluid XP... but I'll have to wait for actual lab results before I'll know for sure). However, once you contaminate the coolant (just like with any other), the conductivity begins to increase.

    Anyway, here are the details...

    Main Ingredients:

    99.7% USP grade Glycerine (used as a lubricant)
    "PT_Nuke" Biocide (Copper(II) sulfate, Citric acid, distilled water)
    GE Continuum AT901 (corrosion inhibitor/deposit control) - provided by Hound53
    Distilled water (used to dilute the above solution)

    Just so you know, the tiny amount of Continuum that's in the concentrate contains the following:
    1,2,4 -Butanetricarboxylic acid, 2- Phosphono-, Sodium salt
    Disodium phosphate
    1 -H-Benzotriazole
    Trisodium phosphate
    Sodium molybdate

    When diluted with the appropriate amount of distilled water, the final coolant should have the following chemical concentrations (approximately):
    ~4.4% Glycerine
    ~56ppm (parts per million) GE Continuum
    ~0.57ppm Copper sulfate
    pH: 7 (neutral)

    To make coolant from the concentrate, simply mix the contents of the 4oz. (118mL) bottle with 882mL distilled water for 1L of coolant (basically, just pour the concentrate into a 1L container and add distilled water up to 1L--it's easier than making Kool-Aid). Oh, yeah, and give it a bit of a shake (for good measure).

    ...so...any takers? (Yes, I am performing my own tests...but a little extra input from others is always nice to have).
    I'm doing science and I'm still alive...

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    Since I live in sweden I guess i'm out of the game But I think that your mixture sounds really good. Will be intresting to see the results. But now to the most important question. What color is it Alex?
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    I'll do it. In canada tho.

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    Any teaser of your tests...?
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    what do you want us to do..just use,?..run tests

    I just want to make sure I can do what you require

    I live in Tampa and depending on what you need I would be a happy particpate

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    Im going to buy from you in the next days, we can split shipping charges to 92173, let me know what you need. Happy to help.
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    I'd love to test it, but since I'm overseas, it's a no-no

    Anyways, I'd also like to know the color (please let it be hawt like G11)
    I'm pretty sure it'll blow any other coolant/additive out of the water (no pun intended).

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    Sadly, I'm overseas too. But just wanted to share that I find it great that you design and sell products with your own and the forum's input and ideas.

    Does the test sample have any color, or the final product? Maybe additives with similar ingredients but with various colors to give consumers a wider choice of products, and obviously have them tested to see if there are any clogging issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasco
    What color is it Alex?
    Well, it's colorless and odorless... for the time being.
    I'm doing science and I'm still alive...

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    i'm in the us, have watercooling and don't mind testing new stuff.

    i'll be a tester if you want.

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    Hi Petra. I'll be glad to test your mixture out. I'm currently using Swiftech Hydrex(SP?) at 2L to one bottle mix. It still clouds up my tubes. Send me a PM. If you don't hear from me tonight, I'll be back home Sunday night. Thanks.

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    I have a calibrated meter which I could test the conductivity with. Its a Myron Ultrameter II, which is calibrated with a NIST tracable standard solution (with cert.). I can provide results in microsiemens/cm and megaohms/cm so you could compare it to the other fluids. I don't know how soon I'd be draining and refilling my system though if you're looking for end user testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra
    Well, it's colorless and odorless... for the time being.
    Alex,

    I am Game, I have plenty of stuff to test out..LOL....

    You have my info .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra
    Well, it's colorless and odorless... for the time being.
    Fair enough, keeping it natural
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    i'm up for it alex, I'm going to dissamble everything this weekend anyway. I'll swing by and see what you got. You just want us to let it run and see if there is anything unusual right? I have no testing equiqment of any sort lol, worst come I'll just bring my whole computer over so you can see.
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    I can help. But, what exactly are we supposed to do? Run the solution in a loop and...?
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    temps before/after adding additive, tube discolouration, if any...flowrates, etc...should all be checked, IMHO. Basically the same way anything is compared...

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    Ugh, I'd say I'd love to, but then I'd be lying, I'd need to order more tygon (CLEAR!), and completely redo the loop, which was a PITA the first time...

    Will be watching with interest though

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    I'm up for it i'm in canada though...

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    i dont mind if its colorless, but can you also do test on how long it doesn't cloud up tubing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by septim
    i dont mind if its colorless, but can you also do test on how long it doesn't cloud up tubing?
    I can assure you that there is nothing in there that acts as a plasticizer (softens some plastics, EHA's are one example), which is the reason some of the antifreeze based solutions will cloud tubing. Theoretically you should be able to run this stuff for years with no clouding, unless you get strong UV rays on your tubing from UV lights or sunlight.
    Last edited by Hound53; 11-02-2006 at 04:57 PM.

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    I'm more concerned about the additive precipitating out of the solution. I understand that this is why we use distilled water w/ additives, but... ya know.

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    I'm available... I'm in Seattle...
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    i'm in, southeast usa, will run in the rig in my sig, let me know, thanks

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    Sodium molybdate
    damn good lubricant, good choice.

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