Dreamcar

[sky]

yeah it is the front of the modena - i thought the same and somewhere in that text i linked to it's said that the guys actually drives a 360 so there you go

ok.. maybe i should start a thread on the pros and cons of electronic driving aids. i personally am pretty much opposed to them. they might be handy in some parts and actually help make your ride safer, but there's plenty people out there that just don't get it. i mean all safety devices like that are fine until people start to feel safe and neglect the danger they are probably around.

ah crap... i'll open a thread an stop spamming this thread with my opinions about electronic driving aids.

[antipop]

I know what you mean sky, the major problem in the car is not the car but the driver. 90% of the accident are due to human failure! it's not a question of too much safety device in the car but it's a question of changing human behavior in the car and that the people should realize that it's not because they have an airbag, abs ,ebv ,... that they'll do less accident or have less risk of being kill if they drive like crazy. A test showed that people who have a car with abs tends to brake late and cause accident this way (the abs only prevents sliding on wet floor but don't shorten braking length )

[Matshui]

Well actually ABS shortens your brake length, you just have to brake hard enough...

Well I might as well add my absolute favorite car....

I can't run from it, it is a 1968 Dodge Charger (426 HEMI - top dream, but not reachable).. I am totally in love with that car, and no other car has been able to take it's place in the last 2 years now...

Picture..!

[antipop]

Originally posted by Matshui
Well actually ABS shortens your brake length, you just have to brake hard enough...

Nope this isn't true, abs prevents you from sliding by preventing the wheels to block! It's not meant to shorten the brake length

[TheDude]

ABS works by Pumping the brake petal faster than humanly possible and I believe it does actually improve or shorten braking distance, but mainly allows you to maintain control in heavy braking situations by preventing the brakes from locking up and sliding or skidding.

[antipop]

nope abs work by releasing the brake jsut before the wheel completely stops
Let me explain, whenif you brake too hard, at a moment the car will go sliding, meaning the car will move but the wheel are stuck. This is very bad for the braking distance! The abs release the brake at the right moment to keep the wheel spinning hence the car won't go into sliding, this is in the name of the ABS anti blocking system (if i'm correct). I'll try to find a website that explains it better than cause it's clear in my mind but maybe not the way i explain it

[antipop]

http://www.ambulancedriving.com/extr...e4-pce-09.html
I didn't read it all but it should be clear enough

[Soulburner]

Anti-Lock Brake System

Does exactly what it says...

[TheDude]

I could have worded it differently, but here's a quote from the link you posted which says pretty much what I said. I worked for Chrysler for seven years...I know what abs is:

"So long as the driver maintains firm pressure on the brake pedal, the system reapplies brake pressure to the point of lock up. It then releases the pressure again. The release and reapply action can happen up to fifteen times a second. It acts on any skidding wheel so long as the driver maintains firm brake pressure."

[zippyc]

Without skid, you are not losing contact with the road with the wheels that do the steering. This is most important during breaking, as if you DO lock up the wheels that steer, you inevitably begin to float off axis and then you are going sideways.

To regain control you must....release the breaks and steer in the direction you want to head until tire rotation matches ground speed and you gain traction again. If just for a split second. That is long enough to lose any advantage VS. ABS.

The vast majortiy of commercial vehicles have brake systems that demonstrate fade (which varys with temperatures and usage), use brake lines which expand and contract in varying degrees, and usually everyday cars are a little out of alignment after one or two serious pothole hits.

All these variables add up to make it impossible for even the most experienced driver to anticipate slippage direction and duration during a stop..two or three pebbles in the road can make you lose grip, but which tire first? Thus ABS almost ALWAYS breaks better.

Now put a very experienced driver in CONTROLLED SITUATIONS like a clean racetrack, sticky and warm freshly balanced and evenly inflated tires, Precision Brembo coss-drilled rotors and racing pads, and experience with that car...then in a straight stop he can take it to the brink of slippage without hitting a slide....that car could stop faster than an ABS equipped car.

But if he had to brake hard during a turn, he'd probably lose it before the ABS car would.

my 2 pennies

[3rd-Dimension]

Originally posted by TheDude
I worked for Chrysler for seven years

come fix my 93 concorde. air conditioning no work anymore even though everything from new compressor to new freon charge and all fuses working but still no worky sux during summer.

oh and how can i get rid of speed limiter?

[TheDude]

Very well said zippyc!

3rd-Dimension, sorry man I wasn't a mechcanic. Gary might be able to offer some tips on the air problem?

[antipop]

There's a lot of situation were there's no skid! One a wet road you shorten the braking distance because without abs you'll skid. But otherwise there's "no gain" from abs, the mistake most people makes is to think i have abs so my braking distance is shorter in all the case which is plain wrong and can lead to accident! ABS primary role is to allow you to master the car while breaking and this is very helpful on wet road (last week i slipped on the road after a sudden brake and god i was afraid even if it was on less than 10 meters, i was driving between 40-50Km/h and the road was slightly wet)

[TheDude]

You are correct in that people tend to rely on abs too much and on their own common sense too little.

[Soulburner]

3rd, is it just me or do your wheels look photoshoppped?

[Farbror]

The Volvo 240.....

[ThorinMan]

I love my car and the only thin i would buy over it if i had the money buck for buck would be the 2006 (or when ever they come out) Corvette Z06. They are supposed to have something like 500hp 500 ft/lbs of torgue.

[Soulburner]

That would be amazing to see numbers like that, out of a 6L V8, daily driveable, and passing emissions.

It would put it right on par with the Viper which is making the same power from an 8.2L V10...

Sounds about right, I do remember hearing talk that Chevy was taking the Z06 up to and beyond Viper levels. Remember the car only weighs 3150lbs, with that power it will eat the Viper for lunch.

[IamAnoobieCheez]

hmmmm...... this car does have nice design. The more I look at it and know about the car, the more I seem to appreciate it.


The member Pecker posted it in the first post...

[3rd-Dimension]

Originally posted by Soulburner
3rd, is it just me or do your wheels look photoshoppped?

just u i got more pics if ya want em.

[3rd-Dimension]

here just give ya another

[3rd-Dimension]

got somemore if ya want em. just say so

[Soulburner]

LOL...they still look like they were photoshopped on there...

[sky]

jup i was thinking exactly that

[IamAnoobieCheez]

man, why don't ya just get a set of 18" wheels and low profile tyres... Put some Brembo brakes n ventilated discs on there as well.....



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