Socket 1155, Platform longevity?

[mongoled]

Hi, hope some peeps could help me.

The reason I ask is that I have the following dilemma.

I look towards longevity and cost effective upgrading when building my own rig.

So was hoping to simply upgrade my motherboard, and drop in a Bulldozer when the price falls.

But the power consumption of Bulldozer has put me off, though this may improve with later stepping.

The dilemma is the following.

Seeing that the life of AM3+ may well be short lived, how long will socket 1155 be around?

Having already bought DDRIII RAM, to move towards socket 1155 would require a new motherboard and a new CPU.

If I know that socket 1155 will have CPU upgrades for a longer timeline than socket AM3+ then I would consider incurring the extra cost in moving platform.

If the timeline is about the same, then would have to decide with sitting with my current rig and waiting to see what will be available at that time.

But from what I have understood, AM3+ CPU's may still be released into late 2012, so that already is too long to wait.

Thanks

[Hondacity]

1155 is the pinacle of budget computing...it even outshines the x58 top of the line cpus, it will also support the newer cpus that intel will be bringing out next year.


the next intel cpus will be the haswell(22nm) chips, 2013-ish?

then 2015-ish is the 14nm? perhaps?

its gonna be a long while... for 1155

[mongoled]

So you are saying that socket 1155 will have CPU upgrades till 2013-ish.

That looks to be longer than what AM3+ is projected to last for.

Wait to see what other peeps have to say.

Thanks

[Hondacity]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock

[mongoled]

Thanks, but the wiki does not tell us anything about the socket, hence why I am asking.

Ivy Bridge will be socket 1155 seeing its just a shrink?

Haswell??

Dont know much abt Intel, so hope to hear more.....

Not going to comment abt what AMD schedules are here,

but if someone wants to read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldoz...ssor%29#Future

Cheers

[Hondacity]

have a look at this

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/PCIe3_Ready/

[Olivon]

1155 is a really good platform for the price and going to 22nm with it is a great feature

[mongoled]

have a look at this

http://event.asus.com/2011/mb/PCIe3_Ready/

Well that looks great, they couldnt do that and for it to only be marketing, right?

1155 is a really good platform for the price and going to 22nm with it is a great feature

You seem to be in the know with regards to Intel products, so IYHO, 22nm we are talking about Ivy Bridge compatability, not Haswell?

Thanks

[Olivon]

You seem to be in the know with regards to Intel products, so IYHO, 22nm we are talking about Ivy Bridge compatability, not Haswell?Thanks

Sorry, but I got no information and I don't know about Haswell product

[Ket]

1155 should have a long life, regardless if you get a Gen3 board or not there will be Ivy support which is a huge benefit and good insurance the platform will go the distance.

[PanicProne]

There will be Ivy Bridge support for the P67, H67, Z68 and H61 chipsets. Along with newer chipsets.

In fact, there is a BETA BIOS with 22nm CPU support, for ASUS boards at least.

Anyway, Ivy on current Cougar Point chipsets has been confirmed at least since April.

[flopper]

1155 has long life to go.
with a g3 board and a ivy bridge, you don't need more for years to come.
Unless one do special things with the computer there is seldom time to upgrade or change platform.
I be getting a G3 MB and a ivy, and it will settle me fine, not even sure if I want to upgrade as my current 1155 rig just shines.

[PanicProne]

You don't need a G3 board for Ivy.

Any regular P67, H67 and Z68 mobo will support it with a BIOS update.

[mongoled]

Thanks for all your comments, from the look of things, it seems the lifespan of socket 1155 and AM3+ will be quite similar.

So at least I have an answer to this question.

Now I have to decide what I want to do.

[Ket]

Ivy will be faster

[mongoled]

Ivy will be faster

Well thats the thing, how can you be so sure?

In reality, unless you have a mole in both camps, you DONT know.

So assuming you dont have that type of leverage, then you a just giving me your opinion.



Decisions, decisions....

Was hoping that I would have been heavily swayed to jumping onto an Intel rig.

Just hasnt happened that way, lol

[bamtan2]

So you are saying that socket 1155 will have CPU upgrades till 2013-ish.

That looks to be longer than what AM3+ is projected to last for.

Wait to see what other peeps have to say.

Thanks

I am going to save you some life with this advice. listen up. your perception of "life" is not helpful. businesses don't look at it that way, and neither should you. considering history, there is a very small window of useful upgrade ability to a motherboard platform. the MOST LIKELY circumstance is that by the time you want to upgrade, all new stuff is out, and you'll want that instead. don't plan for the unlikely event. plan for the likely one. get what is best when you're getting it. don't second guess, don't hesitate, don't beat yourself up.

your AMD system now is old and you're looking at something new. learn from your experience. buy what meets your requirements. when your requirements are no longer met by it, you'll buy something else. in the unlikely event that a new cpu is all you need, then great. but you don't plan for that because nobody outside of intel and amd know exactly what they will do.

are your requirements met by your current system? then get out of here, dawg.

[fr0wn3r]

With 1155 you have SB now and IB in Q2 2012 as some stated correctly. Next generation in this segment, budget high performance computing one, is the Haswell somewhere in 2013. But you don't know will you have Haswell with it, no official news and no news on that at all! I tend to think the socket will change. With current boards (P67/Z68) you will have pretty much all the features of IB, some might lack; though I honestly think you won't feel sorry about it. Ofc, Panter Point, series 7 chipsets that will be released in the spring with IB will fully support it. So if you're buying now, from a future-proof stand AM3+ and 1155 are the same as you concluded already.

Performance wise, the IB will rule over the AMD Piledriver. With new B3 stepping of AMD Bulldozer you won't get any performance improvement (should be out in February), it will just solve bugs if there are any, power consumption for sure and so on. Pretty much like any other CPU revision. That said, after it comes Piledriver and AMD itself said it will be 10-15% better in terms of performance compared to BD. Since we saw how BD compares to SB, and if you add to this equation that Ivy Bridge will be faster than SB for around 20-25% think you will see that Piledriver has no chance. I would expect at it's best to be equally good as IB, but seriously doubt it. With release of Windows 8 something could change with new scheduler for BD and Piledriver but also doubt that. It's all pretty much a long shot with AMD atm and for some time in the future as I see it. Have in mind, I am an Intel fan-boy but I am a reasonable person too and really was hoping that this BD launch will get AMD out of trouble just because we all benefit from competition - it is good for our wallets if not for anything else.

[Ket]

Well thats the thing, how can you be so sure?

In reality, unless you have a mole in both camps, you DONT know.

So assuming you dont have that type of leverage, then you a just giving me your opinion.



Decisions, decisions....

Was hoping that I would have been heavily swayed to jumping onto an Intel rig.

Just hasnt happened that way, lol

I know based on these simple facts; Bulldozer kept getting delayed time and again, any "benchmarks" for Bulldozer have been carefully selected to try and show it off from what I've seen, not just some standard benchmarks with AMD saying "look how awesome BD is", and finally, AMD staying very tight-lipped. If they had a architecture capable of beating Sandy or Ivy (note I just said beat, meaning not a architecture that destroys Sandy or Ivy, just something that can beat it) AMD would of been screaming it from the rooftops months ago.

[matari]

I would wait fort ivy; the CPU should be similar sandy and require less power.

[koltbuut]

Haswell 14nm in 2013 will be probably DDR3 based, no need for socket change, but maybe VRD change will occur therefore rendering all motherboards useless.
As DDR4 should get popular the successor 10nm in 2015 will work with DDR4 or also this new Memory Cube.http://blogs.intel.com/research/2011/09/hmc.php
(10nm will contain 40 cores and 40MB cache. It will probably need 4 channel memory or Cube to feed the data to that many cores)
There will be at least one socket like 1056 that is short lived, watch it.

[Eldonko]

Agree 100%

1155 is the pinacle of budget computing...it even outshines the x58 top of the line cpus, it will also support the newer cpus that intel will be bringing out next year.

the next intel cpus will be the haswell(22nm) chips, 2013-ish?

then 2015-ish is the 14nm? perhaps?

its gonna be a long while... for 1155

[fr0wn3r]

+1 on what Ket said.

Situation is simple enough to be seen if you just think of it a bit.