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    Intel's CSI Technology - Information

    I've been trying to search the net for information on Intel's CSI Technology but unfortunately I can't seem to find that much.

    So if any one knows any information about Intel's CSI Technology then give it the old post.

    I will also add any information i find below - Enjoy

    Thanks, Jagz



    Wikipedia: The Common System Interface

    The Common System Interface

    The Common System Interface (or "CSI") is a new processor interconnect standard being produced by Intel, as a competitor to AMD's HyperTransport. It will replace the front-side bus for Xeon and Itanium platforms. It is expected to come out in 2008 and will first be used by Intel's Tukwila.

    Performance numbers for CSI are still mostly unknown, but Tukwila is reported to support 4.8 and 6.4 GigaTransactions/s per direction.



    Real World Technologies: Intel's Tukwila

    Intel’s Tukwila Confirmed to be Quad Core

    Paul DeMone, an eminently respected industry observer at Real World Technologies has dug up some information on Tukwila, the next generation microprocessor in the Itanium family.

    Intel Caches Out with a Memory Controller

    According to several slides at an HPC conference in Asia, Tukwila will be a quad core part, confirming earlier rumors reported by Ashlee Vance of the Register and Charlie Demerjian of the Inquirer. Tukwila features an on-die FB-DIMM memory controller, which will lower access latency. The FB-DIMM controller likely supports 4 channels of memory, possibly more. As a result of the lower memory latency, Tukwila requires less cache than its predecessor. Montecito featured 27MB of cache, for two processors, while Tukwila is reported to have 6MB of L3 cache per core, or 24MB for each MPU. Preliminary diagrams also indicate that there is on-die switch for traffic between the four cores and caches on each chip.

    A Digital Legacy

    Tukwila will also feature the debut of the Common Systems Interconnect or CSI. CSI is a low latency, point to point, serial interconnect that uses differential signaling. Tukwila will integrate four full width CSI links and two half width links. Full width links operate at 6.4GT/s or 4.8GT/s in each direction, depending on the SKU. In comparison, current Itanium 2 systems have a 667MT/s bus, that is 128 bits wide for a total of 10.6GB/s of bandwidth. Unfortunately the width of the CSI data path is unknown, so bandwidth estimates are difficult. The most likely scenario is that CSI is 8 or 16 bits wide, which would yield 64 and 128GB/s respectively.

    Tukwila also has an on-die CSI router, and cache coherency directories. The router will improve latency for all systems, and the directories should ensure near linear system scalability for large (> 4 socket) systems. It is almost certain that the four full width CSI links will be used for a 2D torus topology, while the half width links will connect to I/O subsystems. This architecture is rather similar to the EV7, which was the first high performance MPU to have an on-die memory controller, router, directories and interconnects. It should hardly be surprising that Intel is following in the footsteps of the EV7, considering that many former DEC architects are now at Intel.

    Performance

    Intel has estimated 40GFLOPS for Tukwila, using four cores. These cores will be very similar to those in Montecito. Hence, each CPU provides 4 FLOPS/cycle, implying that the device will operate at 2.5GHz. While Intel did not comment on whether Tukwila uses multithreading, it is most likely that each core has two threads, like Montecito, and a total of 8 threads per socket. The slide claims to improve on Montecito's scalar performance by a factor of 1.3. However, it is unclear what this claim means. Is scalar performance measured by SPECint_2000, SPECfp_2000 or perhaps another benchmark? Was the slide referring to Montecito at 2GHz, as was originally planned, or the 1.6GHz Montecito that will actually ship? These mysteries will undoubtedly be cleared up at a future conference, perhaps IDF, Hot Chips or ISSCC; for now though, this leaves a bit to the imagination.

    For those who prefer a more visual representation, the slide from Intel’s presentation is below.





    EE-Times.com: Intel Road Map

    Intel's CSI Technology

    AMD made HyperTransport an industry-standard interconnect that is now used on a variety of chips, including network processors from Broadcom Corp. and PMC-Sierra Inc. Intel has not yet decided whether it will do the same with CSI. The final spec is being hammered out by engineers working with the server CPU design teams, a source close to the project said.

    The CSI interconnect is optimized for low latency when used as a cache-coherent processor bus in four-processor systems. However, it can also be used to link up to 16 CPUs for the high-end X86 systems built by OEMs such as IBM, NEC and Unisys. In addition, CSI will be used without cache coherency as a standard way to link north- and south-bridge chips in a processor core logic set.

    By using a common interconnect as a chip-to-chip link, Intel will be able to develop similar board-level designs and software tools for Itanium and Xeon systems. That could reduce the costs of supporting the two server architectures.


    Jagz: Will Intel ever replace the old Front Side Bus with CSI for us desktop users?
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    Integrated memory controller... hmm will it be the same for desktop chips? If Yes, I just hope, it won't suffer from serious cold bugs
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    Yep.By mid 2008 we will have Nehalem
    -new generation microarch designed to replace Conroe
    -IMC
    -CSI

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi
    Integrated memory controller... hmm will it be the same for desktop chips? If Yes, I just hope, it won't suffer from serious cold bugs


    In one of the listed sources, it said that it would only be appearing (at first) on the Itantic and Xeon lines, which would make sense. That is where they would help: producing scalable interconnects for multi-socket processors.

    On desktop, an IMC is not very helpful. Everyone makes fun of Intel for their "aging" FSB, but I never really saw what the big deal about it. The FSB (on desktop) provides plenty of bandwidth to the current generation chips, and the latency isn't that much worse either. AMD's IMC takes almost 10% of their die space on their dekstop chips, and personally, I don't know if it's worth it. On Opterons, with multi-socket systems, it's worth its weight in gold. On the desktop, it's not much of a boost.

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    compared to like half the die that the Conroe's massive 4 MB L2 cache takes, i think 10% is pretty good.

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    mmmmm..... must.... have..... IMC... on.... Intel chip....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuji
    compared to like half the die that the Conroe's massive 4 MB L2 cache takes, i think 10% is pretty good.

    Logic transistors produce more heat and can't have redundancy built in like L2 cache for defects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi
    Integrated memory controller... hmm will it be the same for desktop chips? If Yes, I just hope, it won't suffer from serious cold bugs
    Every one keep saying it's the ICM that gives the cold bug, but didn't Major prove that it is something else.
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