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    Mushkin Position on Redline DDR Memory

    Mushkin Position Statement for Redline DDR Memory Series

    There have been reports on various overclocking forums of Winbond UTT based memory modules suffering premature failure in various platforms. Mushkin wishes to address the enthusiast community in an effort to promote the safest environment for you to run your Redline DDR Memory.

    Here are several solutions that will help prevent premature malfunction of Redline memory in your setup.

    DFI NF4 Ultra series users

    Ø Use series 414, 510, or newer BIOS

    Ø Ensure proper RAM cooling with active fans dedicated to memory modules.

    Ø Do not run >3.5v into your modules as this is in most cases counterproductive to your overclocking goals, and also voids your warranty.

    Ø When flashing motherboard BIOS use the following sequence
    1) Reboot, enter BIOS, Set vDIMM in BIOS to 2.8v and manually set timing to CAS 2.5, tRP to 3, tRCD to 3, tRAS to 8, tRC to 11, and tRFC to 15, set FSB to 200Mhz. Save/Exit.
    2) Reboot and wait until MB has passed POST test and is past the BIOS report screen.
    3) Turn off power to the motherboard
    3b) If you have jp17 in the 2-3 position (5v position), return jp17 jumper to the 1-2 position (<3.3v position)
    4) Clear BIOS via CMOS reset jumper
    5) Re-apply power, boot, flash your BIOS.
    6) After BIOS has successfully flashed (make sure the flash has completed before rebooting!!) reboot
    6b) If you want to return to using the 2-3 position of jp17 (5V position), wait until MB has passed POST test and is past the BIOS report screen, then power down your system. After power is removed, move the jumper back to the 2-3 position.
    7) Reboot and re-enter BIOS setup
    8) Set RAM timings and voltages to your desired settings, keeping in mind rated timings etc…

    Ø When attempting to use the 5v memory jumper setting (jp17 position 2-3) use the following sequence:
    1) Reboot, enter BIOS, Set vDIMM in BIOS to 2.8v and manually set timing to CAS 2.5, trp to 3, trcd to 3, tras to 8, trc to 11, and trfc to 15, set FSB to 200Mhz. Save/Exit.
    2) Reboot and wait until motherboard has passed POST test and is past the BIOS report screen.
    3) Turn off power to the motherboard
    4) Move the jp17 to the 2-3 position (5v position)
    5) Re-apply power, boot, and re-enter BIOS setup
    6) Set RAM timings and voltages to your desired settings, keeping in mind rated timings etc…

    Ø When running jp17 for 2-3(>3.3v) operation, ensure proper cooling of the 5v MOSFET located near jp17. If this item overheats, there is suspicion that voltages fluctuate. Furthermore, it is recommend that every end user watches for vDIMM fluctuation both in bios and in windows. Any significant fluctuation which would be more than 0.03-0.05v would be considered potentially harmful.

    Ø Run memory modules in yellow RAM slots 1 and 3.

    Ø Don't set memory voltage higher than 200mV below the power rail to the memory (3.1V for 3.3V rail for example)

    Ø When changing or swapping memory modules, be sure that the power to the DIMM slots is removed. This can be positively verified with a DMM. Alternate method is to verify that the vDIMM voltage LED that is located next to the yellow DIMM slot closest to the CPU is off (if it is on, there is voltage applied to the DIMM slots).


    All Athlon 64 Platform users

    Ø Do not exceed 3.5v for module operation, as stated above.

    Ø Avoid frequent power cycling if this can be avoided. While this does not impact your warranty status, it would be beneficial to end users to protect their investments. Frequent power cycling is hard on all electrical components in your PC.

    Ø Ensure proper RAM cooling with active fan(s) dedicated to memory modules. Simple touch test to ensure memory is cool to touch is a good and quick test to determine if your cooling is effective.

    Ø If using a voltage booster appliance, ensure proper cooling to that device, as similar to the MOSFET on the DFI board. If the booster overheats, voltage instability or device failure could occur. Also, there are some reports of booster devices being mis-calibrated which could cause either under or over-voltage to occur, leading to instability and possible over-voltage failure.

    We hope this identification guide and setup recommendations are well received in the enthusiast's community. We regard each end user as an extremely valuable partner and wish to make your experiences positive and above expectations.


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    Very instructive details... nice
    Mushkin should get there own support forum perhaps?
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    Very nice instruction....strongly advice Redline owners to follow
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    Quote Originally Posted by justwOo
    Very instructive details... nice
    Mushkin should get there own support forum perhaps?

    http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/index.php

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    I meant on XS D:
    that works too though! lol
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    is it safe to run the xp4000 redline on the 5v jumper if we are cooling the ram and mosfet?

    I have an 80 mm fan over ram which is cool to the touch at 3.2v

    also have airflow going by that mosfet but i can put a fan over it pushing air by it as well..... I dont want to obunce over to the 5v rail and gaurentee that my ram will die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoSx
    is it safe to run the xp4000 redline on the 5v jumper if we are cooling the ram and mosfet?

    I have an 80 mm fan over ram which is cool to the touch at 3.2v

    also have airflow going by that mosfet but i can put a fan over it pushing air by it as well..... I dont want to obunce over to the 5v rail and gaurentee that my ram will die!
    I been running mine 3.5 volts ever since I got it
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    Haven't had any problems with mine yet. (knock on wood).... Thanks Duonger.
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    Dont like the yellow slot idea, seeing as hellfire bios clocks better with orange
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    One question, Muskinn use a UTT CH-5 chip (0.13µm die) or a UTT BH-5 chip (0.175µm die) ?
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    I pm'd dounger and was told chips are not defined other than UTT, only bin and timings are. This leaves them open to use whatever chips they can get that are fastest at time.
    it's never fast enough!

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    I believe that most of these failures are because of excess voltage. I believe that even when they use 3.6-3.8 volts even for short periods of time they are damaging the modules, leading to premature failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bateslabel
    I believe that most of these failures are because of excess voltage. I believe that even when they use 3.6-3.8 volts even for short periods of time they are damaging the modules, leading to premature failure.
    Well VX is rated upto 3.6-+5%
    I lost a VX @ 3.6 and a Redline @ 3.4 they where the max voltages a put through them
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiff
    Well VX is rated upto 3.6-+5%
    I lost a VX @ 3.6 and a Redline @ 3.4 they where the max voltages a put through them
    As long as they were within spec, u can rma them.
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    i think for now im going to play it safe and stick with the 3.3 rail... until more is known about the neww bios and if there really is a problem....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiff
    Well VX is rated upto 3.6-+5%
    I lost a VX @ 3.6 and a Redline @ 3.4 they where the max voltages a put through them
    i think you mean 3.5+-5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by computersmsa
    One question, Muskinn use a UTT CH-5 chip (0.13µm die) or a UTT BH-5 chip (0.175µm die) ?
    Thanks

    lol i have that question too. i own a pair of mushkin pc3500 level one ch-5 chips and im running it at 3.2 volts (max support byi the sli-d without moving the 5v rail) and its not quite cool but not hot either. cause i want to know if i pushed to 3.4 v if there is a possibility to kill it??

    thanx in advance for the support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duonger

    hehe seems to be down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duonger

    Ø Run memory modules in yellow RAM slots 1 and 3.

    that is very good tips duonger, thanks
    i think taht the yellows dimms will not work, i try it once with a ocz vx and the board give some error that the rams should be in the orange dimms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cupra
    that is very good tips duonger, thanks
    i think taht the yellows dimms will not work, i try it once with a ocz vx and the board give some error that the rams should be in the orange dimms.
    well if your using the 510 bios as advised, yellow suck !!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiff
    well if your using the 510 bios as advised, yellow suck !!!!!

    I used yellow since I had them and never had any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trice
    I used yellow since I had them and never had any issues.
    what are they clocked to? I can use yellow upto 250 after that I get errors
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    O.K. - one more question here. Will get 1 GIG redlines 4000 soon and now I'm a bit confused 'bout the J17 jumper story and the 5-V-rail nitemares.....

    My current specs are shown in SIG - now my plan is to stay on 5-V-rail, set in BIOS 3,5 Vdimm, 250 MHz and 2-2-2-5. Then save it and shut down rig.

    Wait till all LED'S are off, plug of the system and replace my CORSAIR with the REDLINE.

    Then plug in system and power on rig. I think that should be safe - or is there a need to swap over to the 3,3-V-rail before changing RAM?

    Ah - and I'm on the orange slots yet and will keep it like this. I don't trust the yellow ones....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiff
    what are they clocked to? I can use yellow upto 250 after that I get errors

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