Hd5870 - $299

[perkam]

I think ATI will drop prices even in the unlikely event that GT300 is a huge flop. I think it would be an effective strategy because it might enable ATI to pull in some of the less informed people out there who think NVIDIA is the only GPU maker out there that's worth buying from.

ATI won't be dropping prices for a little while yet.

The more I think about it, though, the more a $299 pricepoint for the 5850 makes more and more sense considering the 1600 shaders (it should beat the GTX 285 handily, pushing its price down to $249 or lower).

What remains to be seen, however, is whether the single 5870 can trump its younger brother which also has 1600 shaders: the 4870X2.

Considering that the 4870 was faster than the 3870X2, I have great hope for the product.

Perkam

[cegras]

But wait, didn't someone (Stukov?) same AMD's strategy is to create a product for a price segment? Not the other way around?

If that's the case we shouldn't be seeing 'relative' but absolute pricing.

[LordEC911]

But wait, didn't someone (Stukov?) same AMD's strategy is to create a product for a price segment? Not the other way around?

If that's the case we shouldn't be seeing 'relative' but absolute pricing.

Dave Baumann... but there is also the fact that both factors influence each other equally.

[Hell Hound]

Pffft,I'll wait.

[Star_Hunter]

ATI won't be dropping prices for a little while yet.

The more I think about it, though, the more a $299 pricepoint for the 5850 makes more and more sense considering the 1600 shaders (it should beat the GTX 285 handily, pushing its price down to $249 or lower).

What remains to be seen, however, is whether the single 5870 can trump its younger brother which also has 1600 shaders: the 4870X2.

Considering that the 4870 was faster than the 3870X2, I have great hope for the product.

Perkam

Should be able to since it wont have to deal with crossfire scaling and inefficiencies.

[Xoulz]

Should be able to since it wont have to deal with crossfire scaling and inefficiencies.

That brings up a good point.

Micro-stutter was pretty bad in the last gen of crossfire/sli and not so much in this gen (4870x2). But it's still there, plus how SLI was implamented reduces the specs, so it's not a proper comparison. Because in Crossfire/SLi things are mirrored, etc.



ATI hints at a new connection or cross-talk between their GPUs. I wonder how much better scaling we will get... I know HYDRA is/was suppose to be near 100% scaling.

Even if it's not, the enthusiast wouod rejoice at anything close to 80%. Does the HD5870x2 move in this direction if it's a single card solution with a true Dual-GPU solution...?

[LordEC911]

ATI hints at a new connection or cross-talk between their GPUs. I wonder how much better scaling we will get... I know HYDRA is/was suppose to be near 100% scaling.

Hmmm... I don't ever remember hearing about that.
Can you recall where you heard that or read it?
Really the only info I remember coming directly from AMD/ATi was that the scheduler is much more complex and that this is the largest change since R600.

[Kylzer]

If hes meaning sideport that will never see the light of day.......

[MirageSys]

If hes meaning sideport that will never see the light of day.......

It will not be useless for a second time. If its included on the RV870 die it will serve a purpose.

[Heinz68]

The following was published at Plaza.FI, September 2, 2009. I used the Google Translate. The contest is at PowerColor site but not the picture. Maybe Sampsa can tell us more about it. Can somebody contact him?

[Helloworld_98]

The following was published at Plaza.FI, September 2, 2009. I used the Google Translate. The contest is at PowerColor site but not the picture. Maybe Sampsa can tell us more about it. Can somebody contact him?

by the length of that silhouette I'm going to guess that the 5850 will be the top end single GPU for now, and then the 5870 will come out later along with the 5870 X2, and a 5850 price drop will occur.

[Sampsa]

The following was published at Plaza.FI, September 2, 2009. I used the Google Translate. The contest is at PowerColor site but not the picture. Maybe Sampsa can tell us more about it. Can somebody contact him?

Pic with $299 price tag was included in Word-file PowerColor included with PR.

[Oberon]

by the length of that silhouette I'm going to guess that the 5850 will be the top end single GPU for now, and then the 5870 will come out later along with the 5870 X2, and a 5850 price drop will occur.

Unless the estimated pricing structure is wrong, which is how I'm leaning. That supposed $100 gap between the 5870 and 5850 just feels too large.

[Paxi]

I just read an article on computerbase.de today. According to it the cards will be a bit more expensive: http://translate.google.de/translate...istory_state0=

[Helloworld_98]

I just read an article on computerbase.de today. According to it the cards will be a bit more expensive: http://translate.google.de/translate...istory_state0=

we've had those prices for about a day now.

[Heinz68]

@Sampsa
Thanks for the reply

by the length of that silhouette I'm going to guess that the 5850 will be the top end single GPU for now, and then the 5870 will come out later along with the 5870 X2, and a 5850 price drop will occur.

The HD 4870 was not much longer than the HD 4850. Here TechSpot comparing the Visiontek reference cards.

In terms of physical dimensions the Radeon HD 4870 is just half a centimeter longer than the Radeon HD 4850,

Even if there was an inch difference it would be very hard to guess from that silhouette which 5800 series card it is.

All rumors say the HD 5850 and 5870 is going to be released at the same. Only the dual GPU card is going to be released later.

The PowerColor about the contest:

Top vote getters from each category (3) will be some of the first to own a high end DirectX 11 next generation PowerColor graphics card!

[Sh1tyMcGee]

The following was published at Plaza.FI, September 2, 2009. I used the Google Translate. The contest is at PowerColor site but not the picture. Maybe Sampsa can tell us more about it. Can somebody contact him?

Wonder if thats for the 5850 or 5870?

[labs23]

Wonder if thats for the 5850 or 5870?

From the price given, that should be the 5850.
Hope I'm wrong though.

[SnipingWaste]

Hopefully PowerColor has learned from there mistakes from the past with the 9700pro box art.

[Cuthalu]

From the price given, that should be the 5850.
Hope I'm wrong though.

For the third time: "Top vote getters from each category (3) will be some of the first to own a high end DirectX 11 next generation PowerColor graphics card!"

How hard can it be?

[ajaidev]

If the card is real then i am sure its a double slot, so if 5870 is suppose to be double slot and 5850 single than its a 5870.

[trinibwoy]

For the third time: "Top vote getters from each category (3) will be some of the first to own a high end DirectX 11 next generation PowerColor graphics card!"

How hard can it be?

What's your point exactly? A 5850 is high end....

[MirageSys]

From the price given, that should be the 5850.
Hope I'm wrong though.

AMD's prior research has found that the most the mainstream gamer will pay is 299.99. I Don't think that number goes up in a global recession.

[LordEC911]

we've had those prices for about a day now.

Ummm... those supposed prices were posted a few weeks ago, just not here.

[Heinz68]

What's your point exactly? A 5850 is high end....

Here is what was my point.
The HD 5870 is described on most sites as the high-end single GPU card. The HD 5850 is usually described as the mid-range or performance level card.

Hemlock: Highest-end desktop part, probably dual Cypress GPUs a la the rumored Radeon 5870 X2.
Cypress: High-end single-GPU part. Similar to the Radeon HD 4870 when it launched.
Juniper: Mid-range desktop part. Similar to the Radeon HD 4850 when it launched.
Cedar & Redwood: Low-end desktop parts. Similar to the Radeon HD 4650 and 4670.
Icronic.com

I doubt the top prices are HD 5850 cards, when PowerColor published this:

Top vote getters from each category (3) will be some of the first to own a high end DirectX 11 next generation PowerColor graphics card!

PS
For example, would you describe the GTX 260 as nVidia high end card.