Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[[XC] Teroedni]

Since when is OC the norm on server chips ?

True
But the big question here is how effective the Barcelona Memory controller is?
For all we know Ddr2 667 10,7gbs may give Barcelona more than enough Bandwitch.


Also keep in mind that Amd may bump up ddr2 support when their processors are released.

[Ubermann]

Since when is OC the norm on server chips ?

Since everyone started using opterons for OC ?

[Periander6]

Since everyone started using opterons for OC ?

I think he's talking about server chips actually used in servers.

[fhpchris]

Here is my 25 seconds on my FX60...

2850 mhz.. 285 TCCD

K10 fails hard, it cant even beat K8.

[frankR]

Either Barcelona is having serious problems, or AMD is intentionally showing us junk. I'm losing any confidence I had left with AMD pulling off the upset against Intel with K10. At this point I think AMD will be lucky to repeat Barcelona like R600.

[fbmbirds]

Amd fx 60

[awdrifter]

Maybe that is the ipc performance is just the same as K8, but it'll clock higher like the Netburst Intels.

[SEA]

Maybe. But most likely L3 cache was disabled in bios "in purpose" to show or it was pre-release sample with disabled L3

[nn_step]

don't you just love how much FUD that Intel seems to love pumping out lately?
If I got a Nickel for every bit of FUD that came out about K10, I'd have a load of nickels

[red]

Intel demoed the dissapointing POVray and Cinebench tests?

[nn_step]

Intel demoed the dissapointing POVray and Cinebench tests?

kinda like how nVidia demoed the disappointing x1800xt scores that later turned out to be an overclocked x850xt

[Mav451]

don't you just love how much FUD that Intel seems to love pumping out lately?
If I got a Nickel for every bit of FUD that came out about K10, I'd have a load of nickels

What's really disappointing is the kind of shrill coming from Anandtech. Anand used to be a balanced guy, comparing AMD and Intel, but ever since Conroe he's been decidedly pessimistic and negative on AMD. The moment I saw his review being quoted and plastered all over the "official" Intel slides, I knew his time of being an impartial reviewer was over.

Kinda sad, since Anandtech was a reasonably good place for reviews in a time when THG was the #1 Intel fanboy site. However, THG has since toned it down considerably, and Anandtech has instead taken that #1 spot.

[tictac]

K10 doesn't run CPU-Z ?

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=1342&Itemid=1

[dcm0]

don't you just love how much FUD that Intel seems to love pumping out lately?
If I got a Nickel for every bit of FUD that came out about K10, I'd have a load of nickels

What's really disappointing is the kind of shrill coming from Anandtech. Anand used to be a balanced guy, comparing AMD and Intel, but ever since Conroe he's been decidedly pessimistic and negative on AMD. The moment I saw his review being quoted and plastered all over the "official" Intel slides, I knew his time of being an impartial reviewer was over.

Kinda sad, since Anandtech was a reasonably good place for reviews in a time when THG was the #1 Intel fanboy site. However, THG has since toned it down considerably, and Anandtech has instead taken that #1 spot.

Exactly !

[dinos22]

i don't know why go attack anandtech

they are probably one of the most reliable review sites out there. if it hurts you that Wes and Gary tell it like it is because you are a fanboy of the brand that gets plastered that is entirely your problem and you should not blame them

i know that nn_step is clearly one sided much like the Iraqi Minister for Information but it seems that he's not alone here

[red]

What is wrong with being pessimistic and negative towards AMD? What positive do they have to...be positive about?

[cpuz]

K10 doesn't run CPU-Z ?

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=1342&Itemid=1

These screenshots are real. Tamas told me that Everest can read L3 on AMD, and the cpuid is correct.

Well done Fuad

[nemrod]

Does that mean that L3 is activate?

[Lightman]

These screenshots are real. Tamas told me that Everest can read L3 on AMD, and the cpuid is correct.

Well done Fuad

Do you know why Everest is saying that 512KB Cache L2 i asynchronous??

[Charles Wirth]

I found the machine above as well, it had a stress test running on all four cores but the way they set it up you couldnt tell what was going on, the screens would flash too fast to make anything of what was going on.

I plugged in a mouse and stopped the stress test, I went into everest for screens.

The plaque on the side said it was an Opteron 2200

[cpuz]

nemrod> remember previous screenshots of cpuz showing a L3. As I mentionned, cpuz does not look for L3 on AMD, so this information was wrong. Everest does look for L3, and therefore there is nothing irrelevant in displaying one. A latency test would tell if L3 is really activated (and what its latency is).

Lightman> Asynchronous refers to a cache design. AFAIK, K8 also uses an asynch L2.

[cpuz]

I found the machine above as well, it had a stress test running on all four cores but the way they set it up you couldnt tell what was going on, the screens would flash too fast to make anything of what was going on.

I plugged in a mouse and stopped the stress test, I went into everest for screens.

The plaque on the side said it was an Opteron 2200

That definitely validates these screenshots.

[nn_step]

i don't know why go attack anandtech

they are probably one of the most reliable review sites out there. if it hurts you that Wes and Gary tell it like it is because you are a fanboy of the brand that gets plastered that is entirely your problem and you should not blame them

i know that nn_step is clearly one sided much like the Iraqi Minister for Information but it seems that he's not alone here

yes the side of virtualization and efficiency.

[Lightman]

...

Lightman> Asynchronous refers to a cache design. AFAIK, K8 also uses an asynch L2.

I'm confused...
Asynchronous for me means clocked differently than core, but in K8 L2 cache is clocked @ core speeds.
Maybe it might be clocked with different speeds like caches from first K7 Slot CPUs??

Anyone to enlighten me...

EDIT:
After 20 minutes of thinking and digging....

Look at this and compare to QC screen:


On my machine Everest 4.xxx.xxx is showing L2 cahce as 'Full speed'.
This lead me to theory that L2 cache in K8 really is asynchronous and AMD can change it's multiplier. This also can answer why Everest picture of QC part is showing L2 cache as Asynchronous... simply it's not Full speed, it's clocked at different than 1.6GHz clock (probably 1/2 or 2/3 of core speed).

This theory is in conjunction with what Groo and some other people was saying... Demoed K10 is cripped... It's not fully working part!

[TigeriS]

AMD noted that the memory controler will be clocked a lil' higher than the core it self. That may have something to do with it.