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Originally Posted by Saruji
I am the source and I work for Mushkin and built those puppies up.... I am building 4000 more right now so the source is :banana:
Duonger
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Originally Posted by Saruji
I am the source and I work for Mushkin and built those puppies up.... I am building 4000 more right now so the source is :banana:
Duonger
Quiet a weird problem here:
I always get one error in test7 memtest (v1.52 if I remember) and I always get it at 95.5mb?
Tried 2-3-2-6 1T as well as 3-3-3-11 2T but doesn't make a difference :stick:
Both at 2.88V VDimm (max I can give it atm)
I'll now trie another stick, but what do you guys think it is? Corrupt stick? Not enough Voltage?
ashe.....only 2.88 ? omg that's nothing
try 220 2-2-2-5 !!!! not 2-3-2-6
Hi Mushkin Source, nice to meet ya ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
I got one stick hier a cannot set into the DIMM-Socket because the HS sees to be displaced. (sorry I cannot explain it, my english is just to bad :() I'l try to take some pictures
Yea, i'll flash my bios to be able to give ~3.2VQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
any 2-2-2-x setting won't work with 2.88V
You think it is the low voltage holding me off? Would be UTT chips then, wouldn't it?
Ashe, where do you live.. contact our RMA dept and we will swap it out for you...
800-569-1868 or post in our forums.
Duonger
yep they need 3.0v+
I live in Germany, i'll contact you later this day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
This stuff starts anoying me:
With stick 1 I get 7 errors in memtest, all test 7
stick 2 gives me 2 errors in memtest, both test 7 as well
running 2-2-2-5 @3.08V
Did I get crappy sticks or am I doing something wrong? :slap:
edit: passed memtest @ 3.3V (Skipped 3.2V), no going for some oc
Tiger, UTT is not BH-5, UTT is actually the new CH-5. The BH-5 used in the Mushkin Blue is actual BH-5 ICs, not UTT. They are not Speed Binned or tested so you are taking a chance, but so far performance has been good with them. I should be getting my 4 sticks tomorrow or Friday, then I'll be stressing them all weekend and finding the best 2.
And its these ones:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/360...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
so do the dual packs come with black BP pcb also? I love these black pcb :D
awwww you have to be kidding......i cant tell my dad i want to return the sticks the day i got them :(
i bought two seperate ones, but at least i got black pcb
:dammit:
Lolz ok cool, sweet to have someone that builds these so close. So part # 990992 is bh5 and ch5, but the dual packs are bh5 ic's right (PART#991140)? Of which you are making 4000 more of yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
So, what are my chances of BH5 on 4x 512mb Blue for all of them? Should I refuse shipment? I want the good stuff that's like my BH-5/6 :)! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
the single modules are 50/50.... some are made with bh and others with ch.
if you get the dual packs, then it it guaranteed bh.
Duonger
er...is PCB color just looks or is there a difference between the modules with blue and black PCB's?
Hmm, I wonder if you can do that and then have outpost credit the money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I just recieved my sticks, one black PCB and one green PCB, I hope they have the same chips. :para:Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
You should be lucky to have one with green pcbQuote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
Got 4 with black here and they suck (so far ;))
#1 doesn't seem to do anything (not SPD @2.8V, not 3-3-3@2.8V, not 2-2-2-5 @3.3V)
#2 doesn't fit into the DIMM-Slot :D
#3 at least hits 220 2-2-2-5 @3.3V
#4 is currently doing 225 2-2-2-5 @3.3V but still gets 3 errors 16 loops memtest (test5)
Don't want do give up yet but it's pretty depressing to have 3 crappy sticks and one that cannot even be tested :(
I'll try to do a VDimm-Mod and get a newer bios, but my hope is fading :shakes:
nevermind
EDITED
I wouldn't say that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
I'm quite a noob concerning overclocking and I have a feeling my motherboard (or the old bios) doesn't like the Mushkins
So you guys are telling me I got 4 BH-5 sitting here? That just sounds too good to be true for the price. My luck has turned upward for once...
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Originally Posted by Duonger
i like that guaranteed up there
That's the spirit, don't give up on 'em yet. List some of your gear and we might be able to help a little better. You might just need to fiddle with a BIOS setting or two to get your sticks to sing. :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashe
So, how do the "other" sticks perform? Am I likely to be disappointed? Should I try to switch to 2 dual packs now?
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Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
They dont suck, please dont post such things and get others confused, you can look through this thread and you will see that Dumo got some black ones and he is doing great with them, pushing past 250 around 247 mempass'ed. Go to outpost.com website and read the return policy, it reads that you can return your products (even if open) within 30 days, however you are responsible for shipping and everything has to be with its original packaging, even if the package is open. Now please stop confusing others.
P.S. I just refused shipment of the 2 singles and have ordered a the paired one. Cant wait!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Saruji
Outpost OK'd this? Who pays return shipping?
Nobody. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I just called outpost to cancel my second order and put in my first one to be sent back. You can do it, just have to notify them. Thanks guys... now I'll have the right ones for sure :)!
NICE, thanks for the gurantee :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
Allright mates, I don't want to annoy you but need some help with my mushinks.
Here is my current status:
Got 4 Mushkins, 3 can be used (s.a. why)
My motherboard is a Abit KV8 pro (S754), i'm running a very old modded Bios version because it is my only chance to give high voltage (up to 3.32V) at the moment.
One stick (the first i tried) seems to be very bad to me, i didn't want to run the default specs nor 2-2-2-5 at 3.3V, that's why for the moment i would like to concentrate on the other two sticks
Both of em pass memtest (and test5 loops) at 220Mhz 2-2-2-5 3.3V
Both of em show some errors at 225Mhz (one seems to be a bit better, sometimes passes without any error, but most likely will produce 1-2 errors a loop, the other one gives me 2 or more errors /loop)
My settings are the ones Dumo used (link) They helped me getting less error at 230Mhz with the "good" stick but they decreased the "good" stick's performance at 225Mhz (had it up to 10 loops memtest5 errorfree + one whole memtest loop)
My general Question would be what you guys think is holding me back?
Did I just get 3 Crappy sticks?
Is it my MoBo / old Bios?
Any of my bios settings?
I would like to hope that everything might become good but after 6 hours it's quite hard :(
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Originally Posted by Ashe
Are you kidding- these parts are only spec at 200 2-3-3.. if you got anythingn better than you are golden.
if you want more i woulld check your bios to make sure it is the latest... also these parts like some burn in. let it run for a while.
if you want call our tech guys and they might give you some more pointers but i think u have to update your bios.
Duonger
Allright, so i`ll try a newer bios +VDimm-ModQuote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
I know it's above the specs and I won't send them back or something (except that one stick with the deplaced HS) And i really have to check the on badass stick which didn't even pass memtest @3-3-3-11 2T 2.8V with a new bios
I'll put the in the oven this night and see if it helps :)
Same here...just put in an order for one...ill report back when I get them in...:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLaY3r07
so this is what I want?
http://shop1.outpost.com/product/360...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
si senor
Duonger
well the first 8 pages were about the single stick, now people started talking about dual channel packs, wanted to make sure I got the right one.
i can't read :(
Same here :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jkabaseball
Took me a bit of reading to catch it too... thankfully, I did indeed order the right dual packs :).
sorry, i kinda panicked. edited that postQuote:
Originally Posted by Saruji
i hope my pair does alright
yeah I think it's easy to get greedy and consider 220 to be crappy, but keep in mind your paying near generic prices and they are still going up and over what they are rated for and often quite a bit higher at much tighter timings.
I guess I was lucky when I got mine and thought, well I can use them in another system if they don't fly high, but now they are my best benching ram now, running 253 memtest passable and much higher in benching 3d ;)
almost all utt is hitting around 220 with around 3.3v i dont recall seeing worse except for a few sticks
Why wouldn't they be UnTesTed? No binning = UTT. Process doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
So basically this Blue stuff uses UTT (Untested) BH-process chips in the 1gb dual packs :)? Also, do you guys think that 2gb of this stuff will be overkill a year from now for games? I know it isn't really for applications like modelling and digital imagery, just curious when games will see nicer performance with that much RAM.
Me thinks people are starting to get confused between untested and not binned. :slap:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57054
yo link is invalid what up?
*nevermind*
I ran 4 x 512mB Mushkin BLUE @ 230 2T, no problems on DFI NF4.... runs games nicely :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
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Awesome... I really can't wait until I can do a full system overhaul to really make use of this sweet RAM :)!Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Is it normal that all my errors in memtest (talking about test #5) are in the 0.0mb to 1.0 mb range? Does that show me something (bad mem controller maybe?)?
I always get them when test 5 is at 99% and as I said they are all like 0.3mb, 0.6mb, 0.1mb etc.
well i bit the bullet and bought a dual pack :) i'll update you guys in a few days!
which voltage?Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
And also...
Not all Mushkin PC3200C2 Blueline has UTT, right?
But if the stick has Blue heatsink and BLACK PCB have they UTT?
Or could also have Hynix or something else?
Black PCB---->braipower PCB, right?
Thaks a lot for the info... :)
Crim
right now all mushkin blues are built with utt ch and bh dyes on brainpower green and brainpower black pcb.
Duonger
according to duonger, if you buy seperate sticks of mushkin blue you have a 50/50 chance of either a green pcb/black pcb utt but if you buy the dual pack you'll get a matched pair of bh pcb for sure.
My 4 sticks should be here tomorrow (2 dual packs). I'm not going to give them too much voltage, mainly because they have heatspreaders and a fan on them won't cool all the other components on the pcb, but the 2.9v max on my NF7-S should hopefully do the trick if these act like old BH-5 :)
Duonger, which pcb are the current dual channel kits on?
I guess its not that important, I'll be able to see for myself tomorrow :)
well i just recieved 4 sticks from outpost. i noticed something interesting. the sticks that i got from the online purchase came in different packaging than the ones i bought at a local store. the ones from outpost were in a sealed plain package and the ones i bought locally where in the same type of packaging but had a large mushkin sticker wrapped around it. at first i thought it was nothing but then i checked the numbers on the sticks and they were different. im curious which sticks you guys are getting.
http://home.comcast.net/~esoteradactyl/frys.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~esoteradactyl/outpost.JPG
Mine are like the one above (you got from fry's locally) and i got them from outpost.com online order :)
Does this number tell anything? bh5/utt maybe?
Pretty sure mine are not bh5 as they wont run 2-2-2 under 3V
I just ordered a pair from outpost so I will post when I get mine. Gotta stop buying ram. I think there needs to be a 12 step program for this addiction.
musk
@Duonger: Are you guys going to revive "Level II Black Hi Perf"-line? Or other enthusiast-ram?
Silly me! Of course you are!
I have the DC kit arriving tomarrow. I couldn't resist the price and like to see if either stick will out perform my TwinMos Speed Premiums ch-5 utt. Currently running at 255htt, cas2,2,6,2,1t at 3.4v on my DFI LP NF3. Like to see some results members are getting with these so called new bh5 die with brainpower pcb. Lets see some resutls already. :banana:
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Originally Posted by largon
Yes we are going to be releasing some new parts as well as something i cant talk about.....
HEHEHEEE
Duonger
I can't waitQuote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
:slobber:
lol that heheheh gives me the chills
got my dual pack today, there not brain power pcb but they are black pcb. I peeled up the corner of the heat sink and it does say winbond on them. Gonna do some testing in a couple of minutes and see how they run.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...e/IMG_1425.gif
will open them (and take more pics) later tonight or this weekend :D
these sticks say winbond bh-5, there old school winbond 330wf. Sweet...
sexy!
old school bh5?
wow!
i cant believe it myself, these little virgins are gonna get a burnin of a life time. Ive never owned an actual gig of bh-5 before, never thought I would either. this is awesome. :party3:
So those don't have the new BH dies found in the TwinMOS Speed Premium, these are actually old BH-5 chips :eek: Try checking all the chips to see if they're all the same week/year.
But where do "old" bh5 come from nowadays?
Don't think Mushkin forget 'em in storage or something ;)
I'm curiose about their performance anyway :)
hurry up and tell us whats up, i got my dual pack coming really soon and I cant wait to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
Yes, I am also anxiously wanting to know how good the BH-5 Mushkin Blue is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saruji
they are getting errors at 597.1m in memtest. So it looks like there might be a problem on the stick in slot 2. I get that error at 200@2,2,2,8 w/2.8 voltage all the way up to 3.4volts
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Originally Posted by HiJon89
they are the old bh-5, there not on brain power pcb but the pcb is black. I also tried switching slots and still get the same error on test 5 and 8 every time in the same exact spot.
do they run at the rated c2 336 speeds??
error is there at any timings, the good sticks doing good tho.
So I'm seeing weird things with my Blues. Individually, the sticks do tight timings passing memtest up to 255 but when I put then together, they only do 240. Wassup with that? Incapable memory controller?
Sounds like a Command Rate/CPC restriction. I bet switching to 2T would get you back up there, but at a performance loss.
This is exceptional memory for the price. I order 4 sticks last week. 1 stick would not post so I RMA'd it and received the replacement within 2 days from Outpost. They even offered to pay for shipping back (I forgot to fax the copy of the receipt, still might do it though). Anyways, 1 set will do 256MHz w/3.3 volts and the "crappy" set will do ~ 245MHz w/3.3 volts. I burned in the crappy set for ~40 hours hoping to get it to at least 250MHz, but no. I am currently running all 4 sticks at 2-2-2-10 timings at 245. This is w/3.4 volts and 2T. I could not get 1T to even boot with 2-2-2-10 at 200 MHz. Memtest shows a bandwidth of ~ 2780, which I think is very good for 2GB memory. Not bad for only $266. I have also ordered the dual channel set in hopes of finding some BH5 to match my Mushkin Level II PC3500 BH5. They run 266 w/3.3 volts. This is all done on a DFI Nforce4 Ultra. Here is my complete list of memory settings using 4 sticks w/ official 3-10 bios (newest beta kept giving me CMOS error).
200-D-2-2-10-2-2-7-17-3-2-2-3-3120-A-E A-0-8-4-A-A-256-D-16-7-D
sounds like there are varying results ...still good mem!
josania, which motherboard are you using? DFI lanparty?
Ordered 2x twin set yesterday for my DFI ultra... just a quick question about the burn in with 4 sticks. Should i go for 1, 2 or 4 at the same time and do you guys use memtest loops [ maybe test 5 ? ] or other progs [ sandra ? ].
And if the sticks are BH-5 as they should what settings do you use on burn in.
PTK
@Ashe
Yes, I am using the DFI Lanparty nForce4 UltraD.
@PTK
I first did a quick run through to see what the max freq was for each stick. I then matched them up and burned them in 2 at a time using test #5 in memtest. I used 3.4 volts and the timings listed previously, except using 1T. This was done for ~ 20 hours the first run through. I did an additional 40 hours on my "crappy" set that "only" does 245 at 2-2-2-10-1T. I now am running with all of them at the timings posted previously. I have a 80cm fan on top of my CPU heatsink blowing at the memory. After running memtest for ~ 1 hour, looping test 5, the memory was still cool, even at 3.4 volts.
guys, just received my Mushkin. Sneak peak without heatspreader......
http://home.comcast.net/~phippy1/Mushkin.jpg
Obviously mine have the green pcb but also if I remember correctly theres two different types of brainpower pcb 808 and 815, I have the B6U815. Notice the chips are naked with two nipples.
:banana:
That 1T or 2T issue is most likely CPU. I am running all 4 @ 235 2-2-2-6 1T.
Tested well into windows for 245 2-2-2-6 1T or so but my CPU is not good enough to use that multi...
I broke down and bought the DC kit. I might have my 512 stick of VX that does 250HTT up for sale soon!!! As an FYI, my CPU cant handle over 250HTT and I dont want to drop CPU speed. I need 1GB for my gaming. I hope to receive the sticks tomorrow.
-Mack
i got a prob, on a...
p4c800 E deluxe using the blue slots, it would post but not get to the sign in screen
now i tried every possible setting, everything on auto, advertised timings, (and from the selection at bootup)
safe mode
last settings that worked
start normally
sometimes it wouldnt even get as far as the windows loading part
I got my sticks today, havent dont much testing, but couldnt do 220 5-2-2-2 1T at 3.3 when i first put them in.
Been playing CS:S so maybe they are ready for more.
Where I am at right now:
Testing stick 1 (the crappy one :mad: ) at 3.2V
200mhz 2-2-2-5 : fails memtest (sometimes 2 errors test 3, up to 9 errors test 8)
230 2-3-2-5 : currently does SuperPi 1M (no time for memtest or 32M)
The stick seemed to suck the most from the beginning so the others might do better.
Any special timings that might help 2-2-2-5 settings?
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Originally Posted by RacerX
Nice! All four sticks in the two dual packs I ordered are that :). Hopefully I got the good stuff or even real BH5 chips!
I got 1 dual pack with green BP815 pcb and 1 dual pack with Mushkin black, which apparently means this is the old BH-5.
Got some initial results...and they are VERY good :)
1st stick I've tried passes Test 5 at 200MHz, 2-2-2-5, 2.6v on my AI7. This is one of the new BH on green BP815 pcb.
DECISIONS DECISIONS
:woot: :shrug:
I got the green pcb with B6U815 on em, they are the new bh5's i guess. Anyways, the boot into windows at 242 1.5-2-2-5 @3.2, i'm guessing they arent so bad, :D once I get some more voltage into them, but right now I am unable to due to restrictions.
BTW I got the dual pack, I think the black brainpower pcb and old bh5 will probably be the best performing.
saruji!! that's freaking awesome do you have any screen shots ;)
245@3.2v is GREAT!!! That's sounds equal to or better than my 273mHz "BLUE"....I'm just lovin these things, I just played about 4 hours of HL2 with 4 x 512mB MUSHKIN BLUE @ 240+ 3.4v.... 2T of course, but the gaming experience of 2gB of FAST ram was incredible....Quote:
Originally Posted by Saruji
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Hey Charlie, I tried to xchange my sticks at fry's and they wont take em. They said I have to do it threw outpost. Just givin the heads up
Didn't know there was improvement with 2gb on HL2... There certainly is improvement in WoW though... Very Very noticeble.
I'm not doubting you Shroom, but are you sure that your black sticks are not BP? Out of the two I ordered (I ordered the single sticks) one is green and one is black, they both are BP815's but the printing on the black stick is really, really, REALLY hard to see (might have something to do with my old eyes :stick: ) but it is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
Please double check ,it does not stand out like the gold on the green PCB but I did manage to barely see it. :shocked: