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anyone got idea's about my prob? :(
i dont wanna have to go through the process of returning and rebuying
@Duonger:
What's the thing with 2 different color Brainpowers (green/black)? Do those have different chips? Which is newer batch?
I just got the dc kit and they came on green pcb, They are running at 255 (2,2,2,5) with 3.5v. I'm happy with them and the price :)
Update. Just burned in first stick at 255 3.35v with memtest, ran 12hrs with zero errors. Just by testing 2nd is definitely the weaker of the two. Haven't ran memtest yet but won't complete superPi at 2m at same settings and voltage. Finally passed at 245 3.3v. This stick will need lots of catching up. Notice as well these seem to run hotter even with HS removed compared to my TwinMos SP utt ch5.
Overall can't complain but not quite as good as my TwinMos, not yet atleast.
Duonger answered this on the OCforums at the link below... I have copied and pasted his reply for the convenience of those reading this thread :).Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php...2&postcount=56
Quote:
Yesterday, 11:13 AM #56
Duonger
Rank: Registered
Joined: Sep 2003
Location: Cali
Status: Offline
No it shouldnt matter. They are all Brainpower PCB but just with a different soldermask color. When we mde this deal with Frys they just wanted the parts in the stores asap so I built them up with the boards I had left. Sorry for any confusion but no, the boards do not matter. They are all 815BPB.
Duonger
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
I think they were mushkin pcb, pcb read "18-15180a-bl Rev A"
Hmmmm, Is this something new? From what I have read, aren't they all suppose to be on BP PCB? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
Maybe you got some older sticks?
I hope Muskin did not pull a switch on us. :brick:
no not all of them, some of them are the old school actual bh-5 like what was in the original 3500 black level II same pcb and all.
These look awesome... and they are new BH5 too.. Man I have to get some of these, what a great price too.
Sheit! Is this good or bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
I'm guessing bad as you are RMA'ing your sticks.
I guess we can't complain because of the price we are paying, and I haven't even tried my sticks out yet.
:slap:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
I think my case isnt everybodies case. I had one bad stick but the good stick was awesome. the old bh-5 is still the best find in my own opinion. Those are already known to be good clockers. Be happy if you get the old ones. :toast:
I received my DC kit I ordered yesterday and have them fired up. So far... I am at 230HTT with only 3V. My VX would do 220 at the same voltage. I have not bumped the voltage much as I am going to burn in at 3V, 3.2, 3.4, etc. I will keep you posted.
-Mack
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Originally Posted by Ashe
Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
Just as I thought. The new BH-5 is actually BH-UTTQuote:
Originally Posted by Duonger in OCForums
OK BOYS AND GIRLS
UTT- that is the term we in the memory industry call for untested raw chips directly from the build houses. They have not been screened or tested for any speed.. ie ddr266, ddr333, ddr400.
The job of the memory manufacturer is to bin and test and qualify these utt for the parts they need. This testing is usually expensive and time consuming and the yeild rate varies.
AS FOR THE SO CALL WINBOND UTT-------
Winbond makes 2 different versions. There is a BH and CH quality. there is NO BH-5 or CH-5 anymore. Winbond does not mark any of the chips anymore. Most of the new UTT are built by Infineon for Winbond.
So based on the 2 dies, the memory guys like US or Twinmos or OCZ buys whichever one they need and test them to get what grade or yeild they need. Once they have that then they allocated to a specific part or product that you the consumer see as the final product. So depending on the testing and binnnig as u call it, there are various yeild rates for certain speed and latency.
Thus, not all parts are the same. You can have a BH built module but it only runs at xzy speed with xyz latency BUT with a lot of testing and binning, you can have the same BH die part that runs at a xyz+ speed and lower latency. The cost and time is in the testing and retesting and testing thus like the old saying ... *you get what you pay for* but there are some lucky few that will get more than what they pay for.
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Well i hope this helps...
Duonger
Duonger went on to say in a subsequent post that there were about 100 units built with original bh-5 (like Shroomalistic got), and the rest with the new bh die. The new stuff uses the BP PCB, but because of time contraints, they used whatever stock they had on hand, which is why some are black and some are green, but otherwise they are the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I would expect that the new bh stuff will be better than the left over bh-5. My personal opinion is that the left over bh-5 is just stuff that did not meet the Level 2 specs and was not used. It may be fine with add't voltage, but just won't hit 2-2-2-x at 2.6v. Again, that is just my personal opinion and is not supportable in any way, other than the following logic. If they had bh-5 chips capable of being used in Level 2 modules, why would they not have used them when the product was in such high demand and commanding a premium price? Or why not save them for RMA purposes?
Why use them (left over original bh-5) now in essentially what is value priced ram? The only logical conclusion that I can draw is that they simply do not meet Level 2 specs. They are probably even below the "Promo Build" specs that Mushkin built and released a couple of times in 2004 (early 2004 and then again in August).
the left over bh-5 was not from mushkin but from winbond, mushkin just put them on there black level pcb.
Just want to make sure that I understand your statement.
Are you saying that Mushkin just recently got a shipment of old bh-5, as well as new bh die from Winbond and are using this new shipment to produce the current batch of Mushkin Blue? I haven't seen that stated, so I must have missed or misread Duonger's posts where he stated that they just got this stuff. Can you point me to it so that I can bookmark it for future reference?
As I stated in my previous post, my take on things was not based on anything but my own conjectures, so if there is information either confirming or debunking my "theory", I am most interested in seeing it.
I do remember reading that they produced about 100 units from old bh-5, but not that they just received a new shipment of old/original label bh-5.
I have to admit that it seems strange to me that Winbond would have a stock of bh-5 chips just sitting around since late 2003 while in the meantime the whole ram world was going crazy trying to get stock. I, of course, am not in the ram business so how they do things is beyond me.
Ok, updated results for my Mushkin Blue with 2-2-2-5 timings on my AI7, single sticks. Test 5 was looped 20 times for initial testing.
Green BP815 PCB stick #1:
2.7v = 205
2.8v = 215
2.9v = 220
3.0v = 225
3.1v = 230
3.2v = doesn't like it even with fan cooling
Green BP815 PCB stick #2:
2.7v = 205
2.8v = 215
2.9v = 220
3.0v = 225
3.1v = 230
3.2v = doesn't like it even with fan cooling
As you can see, each stick on the BP 815 pcb ran about the same, I noticed the second stick doing slighly better, but very close performance. I'll start testing the sticks on black pcb today and hopefully get to start doing dual channel tests later this afternoon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I believe he said it here
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...&postcount=118
Shroomy,
Thanks for the link...every since I got that "warm welcome" over there I don't tend to go there very often. Based on what he (Duonger) said, it appears that these new Mushkin Blue use both, old bh-5 which Mushkin had saved for RMA purposes and new bh die. Here is his post copied below. He is responding to the question of whether these chips were held over stuff that Mushkin had kept for RMA.
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Yes and No.. Some were for RMA but when I got our chips this past month, Winbond sent us some of their old BH stock so I used those as well.
Its cool. We offer a lifetime warranty. The parts that come back as RMA we cant sale as new.
Duonger
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End of quote.
Notice he said he used "those" (new shipment) as well (as old RMA stock).
I am very surprised to hear that Winbond had old stock left. Must have been sitting in the Janitor's closet or something. :)
Again, thanks for that link. It helps with the overall picture...which is that there is old RMA stock, new shipment of old original bh-5 and new bh die being used in the latest Mushkin Blue dual-packs...somewhat confusing, but the good news is that it should all be pretty good ram.
Does your AI7 track VTT? Result still looks good none the less.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
Yes it tracks vtt just fine, this isn't a vdimm modded board. It displays vtt and vdimm and vtt is actually a little over half vdimm. I do have CPC set to auto right now, so with single sticks installed it is probably enabling it.
In such case, give it some time to burn in... I think the heatspreader attachment is not quite as good as some others as I've noticed some sticks not operating at 3.5v initially now doing fine 3.5v. I have feeling burning in process on these new sticks are more of issue of heatspreader conforming to chip. I WILL take these out later for maximum performance when Venice comes around (hopefully letting me utilize more than 230-240ish 2.2.2.6 out of this stick by having higher CPU overclocking each stcks now do well into 260 2.2.2.6 zone :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
My heatspreaders are attached well, I checked contact with each chip and gave it some more pressure before installing. Plus I have a fan blowing over them. I'm pretty sure the heatspreaders are making good contact because they get really warm meaning they are conducting heat from the chips well. My old Mushkin Promo Build BH-5 had no heatspreaders and they ran cool to the touch up to 3v on my NF7-S. I really do prefer to not have heatspreaders installed, but I'm not going to void the warranty just yet :)
They finally went out of stock... game over :(! Frankly, I didn't expect they'd last this long :p: !
That fellow from mushkin said they had something to announce sometime soon. I doubt itll be at the 127$/gb price point though.
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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
where, it still says instock for me.
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/360...H:MAIN_RSLT_PGQuote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
Says "Call for availability", aka Out of Stock in Outpost-language.
I got my dual pack, one PCB is green, the other is black. :confused: I am testing them right now and they don't look very promising. :upset:
Remember, if this really is BH-5...it only gets better with time and more volts.
BingoQuote:
Originally Posted by freecableguy
add some juice to it and let it burn in.
Duonger :banana:
Doesn't look like Outpost is out of stock to me. I got all the way to the submit order page and it never said they weren't in stock.
NoxQuote:
Originally Posted by NoX
What problems are you having?
Duonger
If you've ever read about Outpost, Call for Availability means (it even says on their page if you click the text) that it is out of stock and will pretty much never come back in. You can place a backorder for it by adding to cart and checking out, but you're not going to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Dont worry guys, Frys will get more this week but expect prices to go up. The chips are getting hot and now everyone is trying to buy them.
Duonger
@Duonger: Sticks on the next batch have black or green PCB?
Well, my greenies both match up real well. One black matches the greenies in performance....but the other one is a MONSTER!!! At 3.2v, it passes over 100 loops of test 5 at 2-2-2-5, 244 MHz!!!
Duonger, can there be two different varieties of BH chips on the black pcb's? Say one with old BH-5 and one with new BH? Reason I ask, is one black pcb is dated 0319 and is a monster, the other is dated 0343 and is just ok.
I'm thinking maybe the 0319 PCB is leftover Level 2?
Hmm. Dual packs were just a minute ago "Call for Availability".
I happened to check my cart @ Outpost. There were some dual packs -> romoved them. Then refreshed the product description. Now it reads "In stock, same day shipping".
Sounds like the good clockers are the older BH-5 stock that's left over and handle lower vdimm well as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
NCIX still has them for us canadians.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...acture=MUSHKIN
Duonger:
So far I could reach 240Mhz at 2-2-2-X 3.4V but I am getting 70-100 errors for each pass of Test#5. More volts don't help because the sticks get quite hot even if there is a 80mm fan blowing on top of them.
I am disappointed because I am very far from my goal which is to reach at least DDR500 speed. I don't have much experience with BH-5 but I doubt that after intensive burning they would improve that much.
However, I still have hope and I will keep torturing them for a few more days before making the final judgement. :cord:
u gotta cool it better
Just got this in the mail. Will post results. They are 2 single green PCBs.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ushkinBlue.jpg
musk
Keep playing and let me know. we have only tested thse for 3200 2-3-3.. so if you are getting past spec than that is :toast: .. i know u want these to run at ddr500 but there is no guarantees. Check bios is one of my seuggestion and test each stick individually to see if 1 is giving u probs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoX
Duonger
Well, what would be best way to remove heatspreader on this Duonger? I think I am well past bothering to ask warranty if there is any left :P These 4 sticks are great and I do want to know whats inside as well as giving it a little extra cooling by removing heatspreader (4 dimms do become very packed with heatspreader and not much air can possibly flow around ram with that space)
Is it possible I "killed" my Mushkins by trying to high clocks?
Did a VDimm-Mod and upped Voltage to 3.2V. Did a SuperPi run @230 2-2-2-5 (no time for memtest :(), it passed. Then tried 235mhz next and after 10 sek i got Bluescreen, now one stick is completely damaged (11000 errors @ memtest test 2 after 13%) and another one doesn't look to good, too (get 2 errors at the same adress every time in memtest test7, but will run SuperPi32M and sometimes Prime)
Think it wasmy damn mobo, doesn't seem to be good for overclocking (VDimm was fluctuating quite a lot at 3.2V)
Never heard of killing ram due to high clocks, is that possible?
2x Mushkin lvl2 Blue RIP
Sorry if u remove it there is no warranty for them. But why question it if it runs so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Duonger
Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Put them in an anti static bag in the freezer for a couple of minutes will do the trick. They pop right off. :)
just got my pair in today it will not do 2-2-2-5@ 2.85v with my msi neo2.... however it does do 2-3-2-5 at 2.8v. the ones I got are a green BCP with B6U815.... not sure if these are bh5 but i will check them later :)
Received my dual pack from outpost today. It is on the same PCB as my Mushkin Level II PC3500. So far it does:
217 @ 2.7 volts
225 @ 2.8 volts
235 @ 2.9 volts
240 @ 3.0 volts
All at 2-2-2-10-1T Dual Channel.
Looking good so far. Getting ready to put more volts into it. I hope it can do 266 @ 3.3 volts like my Level II's. Seems like the Level II's with the mushkin PCB are still the best for BH5.
Now thats wishful thinking. Try 3.6-7v might get ya there. I can't even get one of my 512's to run at 260 stable with 3.5-6v. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by josanai
Something interesting on my p4 AI7 board. I had one stick that does 244 at 2-2-2-5 with 3.2v, the other wouldn't quite do 230. I loosened the bad stick to 2-2-2-8 and its running Test 5 at 240 on my other computer right now with no errors. These are going to go in my NF7-S at 2-2-2-11 (best for NF2) so I'm wondering how they'll do on that :)
Maybe this week I'll get a chance to play with it...darn school!
I'm calling shananagans. :moon:Quote:
Originally Posted by josanai
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raybo
If he got the ones on the Mushkin PCB, it means he likely has BH5... I wouldn't call shennanigans ;).
I am now up to:
245 @ 3.1 volts
250 @ 3.2 volts
It won't go higher than 250 at any volts that I have tried up to 3.5 volts. :( I got more errors at 3.5 volts than at 3.4 volts. I guess it is time for some burn in. I wanted at least 250 MHz, and that's what I got. It definately does some nice speeds at tight timings at low volts. Thanks for the great sticks Mushkin! So, for < $400, I got 3 GB of Mushkin that reach at least 240 MHz at tight timings and at 3.3 volts. To think that not long ago, one set would go for ~ $350 on eBay. 2 GB of those run in my DFI nForce4 UltraD at 245 MHz at 2-2-2-10, although it requires 2T. It still gets 2780 in memtest. I will update if the burning in helps.
Just to be extra super duper sure; are these the ones we talking about?
Blue dual pack
Thanks.
These are:
http://shop2.outpost.com/product/360...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
The ones you linked to are the same model #, but Outpost is still selling them cheaply at the moment...
@ Tibu
No, those are not the ones. The ones I ordered were from outpost.com last week. I believe they ran out of the ones that possibly have the BH5 on the Mushkin PCB like I got. The new ones are more likely the IC's that are based on BH5 and perform similarily, and are on Brain Power PCB. To me, the memory with the Mushkin PCB seems a lot more solid than the memory with the Brain Power as far as weight and physical properties. Anyone else notice this? Anyways, the link GoldenTiger gave is correct. My burn-in has started. 250 @ 3.2 volts and 43 passes of memtest error free (only 35 min).
DAMITT! They are different. The ones on newegg are part number : 990992 based off the close up pic of the modules. Also on the pic, the pcb says mushkin enhanced.
What does this mean? Are they UTT or not?
Damn can someone help me out here? I need to order some good/cheap (no more expensive than $170 UTT/BH5 1Gb kit but it HAS to be from newegg. Can anyone suggest a kit that for sure will be UTT?
No, they're not different. The sticks are labelled that even in dual packs... see this outpost page, it has the single stick of the same thing listed as 990922:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
http://shop2.outpost.com/product/429...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG
I don't know for sure they're the same modules, but the model numbers are indeed the same. The photo at newegg looks nothing like my modules that I got in two dual packs from Outpost (different color heatspreader, different label layout, and different PCB color), but newegg's photos are often of older models if it's an already-existing product that has been changed recently.
Your best bet for UTT from newegg would be the TwinMOS Speed Premium PC3200. Those are $55 now. I am thinking of picking up a pair myself. I did get a dual set of TMII400, but those are not as likely to be UTT. I got lucky and did get some, and they did 256 MHz at 3.5 volts dual channel with 2-2-2-10-1T timings. Be prepared to give some high voltages, which you most likely already know.
Damn, getting the blue pack from Newegg is a gamble... Course the others are a gamble too but... I don't like those silver heatspreaders... What to do... I wish the Mushkin guy was on.
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Originally Posted by josanai
I agree. If you want guaranteed UTT. Buy the Twinmos speed premium.
Running 260 2-2-2 here with 3.4v
My green PCB Brainpower MUSHKIN BLUE'S (UTT-BH5) are rockin' along at 275mHz, 3.6v.... no problems.
C
Is that the set you just recently purchased (for $55/stick) or is that an earlier set?Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
I just ordered two sticks last night, but because I'm paying by check, it won't get here until right about the Holidays....Christmas 2005, that is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I got this set about 3 weeks ago. I have 2 more of the $55 sticks on the way. Should be here tomorrow or the next day.
Christmas 05??
Very slow mail service where I live. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
Thanks...I saw an earlier post where you had ordered, but I didn't know if you had gotten them yet.
I decided to interrupt my burning in for a little while to test each stick individually. The first stick will do:
260 @ 3.2 volts
265 @ 3.3 and 3.4 volts
272 @ 3.5 volts
The second (crappy) stick will do:
250 @ 3.2 volts
255 @ 3.3 - 3.5 volts
I will now continue the burning process.
Duonger, do you think I can RMA the crappy stick for one that can match my first stick? :D
lol.... I bet they pass DDR400 spec ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by josanai
C
I have some Mushkin blue coming my way shortly. A friend of mine bought it from Fry's in L.A. last week (or so I understood :) ) What are the chances that I threw away $130 and these are NOT UTT with BP pcb??
Of course I can wait a couple of days and answer this question myself but I just had an "anxiety attack". :D
Also... Since the dimms are ...heatspreadered how can you tell it's UTT aside from testing them of course.
Hi all, why not reporting your results in this thread :
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699
There is UTT but new BH5 as well in this BDD
My sticks seem to max out at 230 5-2-2-2 2t
Tested up to 3.5 vdimm and no help..
Im sad.
Which sticks are they? The Dual Black or the single greens?Quote:
Originally Posted by xxORBxx
musk
Here some Twinmos Speed Premium PC3500@3.55V
http://img126.exs.cx/img126/9976/sppc35004xf.jpg
My sticks don't like 3.2v. At 3.1v on black pcb stick maxes out at 244, 2-2-2-5 on my AI7 and the other maxes at 243, 2-2-2-8. Together in dual channel though, they top out around 235 :(
I'm going to pop them into my NF7-S later today and also start testing my brainpower sticks in dual channel.
If your getting 250 @ 3.2 volts, "crappy" does not belong in its description. :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by josanai
The best I can get out of six of my blue sticks is 242MHz/3.3 volts/1x512/2-2-2-11 1t/NF2 after 30 hours of burn-in so far.
:confused: Twinmos? Thought this thread is about Mushkin Blue? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoStra
It has the same chips....thought maybe the guys here were also interested?Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I'm interested regardless of where you post it. Hopefully a new thread dedicated to Twinmos SP PC3500 will appear soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoStra
I knew it has the same chips. Prob 99% of people reading this thread knew it too. (it's all over every ocforum)Quote:
Originally Posted by NoStra
Well, for the 1%. :)
Well after a few days of burn in, I have 1 Mushkin blue doing 255 stable(260 benchable) and the other has improved from 245 to 250 stable. Now my TwinMos SP PC3200 UTT does 260 stable(265 benchable) with very little burn in. Personally, the TwinMos is the better buy, cheaper and without heatspreaders seems to run cooler, not that you couldn't remove HS on the Mushkin. Supposively my Mushkin is bh die cause of the 2 dimples, so does the ch die also have 2 dimples? Cause I was under the impression they didn't, my TwinMos as the 2 dimples as well marked AA4T which is ch die.
Ordered up 2 more of the TwinMos SP just from Newegg, maybe get lucky and get the 1A4T instead of AA4T. Either way both Mushkin and TwinMos is one hellava buy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by xenolith
I'm convinced your platform is holding you back. My sticks did a max of 245 2-2-2 on my P4 setup. I've now moved over to A64 and I can reach 260 2-2-2 on my DFI with the same sticks/voltage.
I have two singles on the green PCB. Funny thing is that in Memtest 1 stick gets 17xxmb bandwidth and the other gets 18xxmb bandwidth at the same settings.
I have not removed the spreaders to see if they are different IC's but they must be.
The higher bandwidth stick also needs .1v more to be stable at 240 2225
These are prelim results so I will post more later.
These are from outpost.
musk
I know. I just need to find time to mod my Fortron 530 to give 3.5v to my DFI UT NF3's DIMM slots.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkie34
Very interesting! Perhaps one stick is based on the bh-die chips and the other on the ch-die chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by musk
There was a discussion about BH-X RAM performing better for some time already. This would be another indicator that it's really true that timings of 2-2-2-x perform better on bh-x based RAM, than they do on CH-x based sticks. :eek:
Recently these happen to have been built with some really great chips. Those lucky ones who get these builds with the excellent chips have a great awesome product on their hands. Awesome. They got a great deal
We don’t match other builds
We don’t exchange their old blues for the UTT build
We don’t guarantee performance over the 2-3-3
We don’t guarantee which chips they will receive
We don’t officially advertise what kind of chips are on them
Mushkin's Blue line is designed for excellent stability and quality while maintaining an affordable price.
Built on a 6-layer PCB with matched trace lengths, gold contacts and a fine tuned resistor network to insure the utmost in stability. Mushkin couples these with only major brand, tier one chips to insure superb performance. All Mushkin Blue memory comes with an installed heat spreader
Cl2 blue performance -
Mushkin guarantee spec :
2-3-3 @ 400MHz
Duonger
Dounger, when was the most recent shipment to Outpost/Frys? I got 2 dual packs last week, one green BP815, the other Mushkin black. Anything new/different since then?
Again, thanks so much for all the inside info!
we sent some to them last thursday.. they order 400 more kits this week that will go to all the stores by thursday also.
Duonger
What is was the pcb and chip used in the shipment last Thursday? Were they all one combination or a mix of green and black? All new BH or some old?
Also, what is the next shipment going to be that they just ordered? :)
Thanks!
Duonger,
Was that info for me? If so, no worries dude. I totally understand that 2,3,3 @200 with 2.8v is the spec. I ordered a dual pack as well :p:
Keep up the good work, Mushkin RAM rocks and so does their Customer Service.
Thanks
musk
I brought 2 yesterday
both can work seperated on 3.6v @ FSB 258 2-2-2-5 on DFi-NF4 Sli DR
but if put both on together
prime95 wroks but once i press stop, system restart
and memtest win verison does this too
but during the run time, there are no error
my is green pcb b6u815
So, each stick alone can run 245 222 with 3.2, 3.3v. One will do 260 222 with 3.4. Have stopped testing limits and am burning in.
When I put the sticks in togethor, I can only run 210 with 3.2v
Burning in both at 3.23v 210mhz
will post more. Got a black PCB dual today from Outpost.
musk
Ran 2GB mem. with 2X512 Blues w/black pcb combined with 2x512 Gskill LA stable @ 240/3.1V and 2T. Folks from Colfax Ave. always release good products :toast:
Musk- it was not directed at you.. We have been getting a lot of calls recently by people who cant get the speed you guys are getting so they want an RMA.. And there have been complaints about me giving you guys too much and complaints from forum members that i am not doing enough.. so my management has put restrictions on me as to how i handle forums.. this is my comments on another site this AM..Quote:
Originally Posted by musk
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The message I previously posted came from our customer service manager. There has always been old stock out there with Mosel parts. Frys/ Outpost were the 1st to get these BH/CH utt parts. We have been following the UTT as you called it and seeing people were getting good performance from them Thus we tried them one of our product line at a low rating to make sure everyone was happy and got the spec speed of 400 2-3-3. I was trying to be informative and let people know. I saw what OCZ employees were posting here so I wanted to do the same. (Guess it was not welcomed)
Calls at 1st were few if not any.. But now with the speed and performance you guys are getting, there have been 40-75 calls a days from guys know are not as knowledgeable as you in terms of overclocking, calling in and asking why their modules does not perform and why they cant get the same speed as you guys and requesting a RMA for perfectly good parts. We all know that overclocking is a gamble. It also comes down to what other components you have to make sure you get the optimal performance as well as right bios..... IF you had a yugo, you cant just put a higher octane gas or just change the air filter in there and expect your car to hit 100MPH in 6 secs. You have to modify the header, cam, exhost and many other things. It is the same with overclocking a computer.
As for me, I stepped out of line by telling you guys all that I did. Now, am going to step back and not hype or promote anything anymore. Mushkin will stand behind their products. We have always had. I was trying to be helpful but since you say I have stepped out of my bounds, I am sorry. I wish you the best of luck.
Peace out
Duonger
It's GREAT to have you here on the forums and everyone appreciates your inside information. And honestly, every last one of us understands that overclocking is not guaranteed, by ANYONE. But I've probably seen 20 guys here post their MUSHKIN BLUE results and it's split about like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
MAX OC
220 - 10%
240 - 50%
250 - 30%
260 - 10%
that's as good if not BETTER than ANYONE else's UTT from a value line...
C
Thanks Charlie
But look at it from our POV.. im venting now..
if our tech guys are on calls of 5-8 minutes helping people out to get the blues to run at the speed you are getting...and with 50 calls. that is 250-400mins. that calculates to 4-6 2/3 hours a day we spend just with those people. they dont have time to help those that are having legitimate problems. all this time is spent with users who have good memory and they run at spec. we have also issued rma for a lot of these to make sure the consumer is happy but realisticly. come on man. what more can we do?
Duonger
Duonger, thanks for all your help. Too bad a couple people had to ruin it for us all :mad:
Cart
i will still be around but it sux.. you have no idea how frustrated i am right now cuz of this 1 person. BUT the Customer is always right. that is what my boss is telling me.
Duonger
[VENT]
This is pure :bs: Anyone that wants to RMA some BLUE mushkin cuz it doesn't get more than 230fsb is a COMPLETE NUBTARD. [/VENT]
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