lol... no kidding. Stick 4 is a stinker!
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lol... no kidding. Stick 4 is a stinker!
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Well lets see how my luck turns out. Grabbed 4 from outpost (didn't want to drive to Fry's.. lol)
If it even hits 230 2-2-2 with some decent voltage (3.5-3.7 is okay on my book) I guess I should be happy waiting for venice for 2GB. Thought about grabbing another pair of BH-5 but my ram costs are going out of roof at this rate so might as well see the actual benefit with 2GB instead of premium 1GB pieces I have all over the place now :)
If it is half decent, guess the BH-5 will be on sale (1GB pair that does 270 @ 3.6-3.7v stable everything :P)
Getting to stage of my gaming life where 1GB just doesnt' cut it anymore... that is scarey...
ive got 3 sticks total now.
#1 = 272 @ 3.6v
#2 = 252 @ 3.4v
#3 = 250 @ 3.4v
any volts over 3.5 on stick #2 and #3 will result in bsod. however #1 loves the juice. it will run with up to 4v no problem :D
now to find a brother for stick #1
:toast:
I was just thinking same thing man :PQuote:
Originally Posted by crotale
Its always a crapshoot when buying ram unfortunately.
This RAM looks great for the price. I will definately check it out :toast:
I think even my cheap-self may grab one :)
damn, i cant decide. My value vx does 250 5-2-2-2 but doesnt like my Neo 2. Anyone wanna trade?
ill sleep on it.
chinkgai, could you please check if your 4th stick actually IS UTT?
If yes, than it is probably the worst UTT ever, if it's not, man then mushkin would be as much of a gamble as everything else :(
i think its utt, its on the same brainpower as all the rest
as for the actual chips, i dont want to take off the heatspreaders to take a peek
got my mushkin blue line c2 2 512 sticks today, they are UTT on Black Brainpower PCB. Just took them out and burning them in slowly. so far there at 225 @ 2,2,2,8 w/ 3.3volts.
look at what the mem is rated at in cpu-z
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=27428
i dont get it. why do they put the best chips in their value stuff? And mushkin never keeps a secret what chips they use... why don't they say so omfg #@$%X&*
Think I may have to get some to test.
These sticks are starting to "glow" now. They just memtested clean at 240MHz after 3 nights of memtest burn-in. WOOT!
I can see it now, "Buy Mushkin Blue, get a free night lite" :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by caboob
Curious to see the final result, please keep us posted :) Congrats :toast:
allright, thx mate :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai
grrr, I gave in, gotta try this in place of my bh5
bought 2 sticks of 512
Here is quick report on 4 sticks I got.
Bottom line: all of them does 2-2-2-5 240mhz fine. (SPD seems 2-2-2-6 on DFI-NF4 while auto yields 2-3-2-5) @ 3.2v
Stick 1:
241 2-2-2-5 3.2vStick 2:
244 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.
243 2-2-2-5 3.2vStick 3:
245 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.
255 2-2-2-5 3.2vStick 4:
256 2-2-2-5 3.3v
259 2-2-2-5 3.4v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.
253 2-2-2-5 3.2v
255 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.
Interestingly enough, unlike BH-5 or most VX I had played it, the memory is shy of higher voltage. 3.7v on stick 2 actually made sure that it won't even post. Putting each stick on dual channle results in about 1-2mhz speed reduction from lowest speed memory on stability test.
Now, here is the kicker for me. I am using winchester with 4x512mb 1T 230mhz 2-2-2-5 right now with this memory @ 3.2v. Once I use it for some time, I might slowly increase speed or take off the HS and see what potential it holds (or when venice comes). I wasn't sure if 1T is even possible with 2GB but I guess it is to lesser degree. Running prime 95 with heavy memory test and it only uses 1.2gb :) Time to hit up WoW and see how much smoother it is without HDD thrasing now.
PS) All in all, I can highly recommend this memory based on 4 sticks I got. This is in par of what OCZ VX PC-3200 was semi promised at. (min 240 2-2-2-5 with 3.2v posted by one of OCZ employee while back or their testing method for screening) You probably won't get 260-270 2-2-2-5 like VX series would but it seems to get you 240 2-2-2-5 with no problem which is more than what this memory is worth :) Warning: brick and mortar Fry's has it for $80 a pop while outpost has it for significantly cheaper Seriously pondering about grabbing another gig of this stuff for my 3rd desktop :P
Does WoW thrash much with 1gb? I'm still running 2x256mb while I wait for my new 2x512mb kit to arrive. It sure does thrash alot with 512mb of ram in highly populated areas (like IF).Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
not bad results.
1 Gig works well if you don't have anything on background running :P In IF, 1gig still would stutter occasionally but not that bad. You can just look at how frequently hdd is getting accessed to see where the problem lies. I figured since I am spending so much $$$ and going after that last few percent all the time, thinking saving on memory for once and reducing highly visible lowest common denominator would be good idea and it seems to be paying off (will find out more around afternoon today... on the lagforge :P)Quote:
Originally Posted by jagare
And I prefer leaving few applications on while playing games for whatever quick things that crosses my mind at time.
May be more of a heat issue than voltage issue... from my experience Mushkin's spreader method tends to trap heat more than not with the tape they use.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
my mushy's wont go over 230 at any volts but for the price I spent im not complaining. Im starting to think is my board crapping out now. My bh-5 or my utt do the same thing, top out at 230 while they used to top out at 270-280
Try re-flashing the bios. Sometimes DFI's need a fresh flash to return to optimal functionality :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
deception``
good idea, i was thinking about that but wasnt too sure. I will try it right now
Edit: Still no luck but it was worth a try. :toast:
Same MB, same timings on the DIMMs that could but now don't? Do you have a DFI nF4 (ask because Skip and someone else experienced slow-death-syndrome where their max clocks slowly went down until ultimately croaking) Unlikely, but... have another MB or friend with one you can verify the DIMMs haven't diminished? And if you use Auto timings anywhere - don't, they can get funky sometimes when swapping around different memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
i really think its the board (dfi nf3 754) It has already killed 3 gigs of ram just by turning it off, i think I need to pick me up another one. It killed my good gig of ch-5, my good gig of twinmos utt so im not gonna risk too much with this ram, im sure its better than the board will let it be. I stuck my gskill in it last night and now it will only work in this board and not my msi while it was doing 300 @ 2.5,3,3,7 like it was nothin in my msi.
alright... a gig of this is what i want? i want to double-check before i order
always wanted mushkin ram :D they have good customer service? (when compared to the likes of OCZ)
:thumbsup:
:D yay
EDIT:
is there a time restriction on this? cause i wont really be able to push these sticks for 2 months when i finish piecing my rig together, it will go in my current one as of nowQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
so, this summer if i got a bad stick or two, would they still allow me to opt for a dissatisfaction return?
EDIT 2: i will take pics when it comes ;)
--- Shroom ---
Ouch! Bad MB, BAD! :slapass:
In that case I wouldn't put any memory in it, lol. Something definitely not right with that one, sorry :(
They have 15 day return on memory, 15 days on CPU.... no questions asked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
dizzamn, 30 day money back? Order 20 and keep the best, return the rest. Why not? :p
frys B&M is 15 days on both cpu AND memoryQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
im not sure about outpost since i live in the middle of like four fry's
just a warning
So my two sticks seem well done after several nights of memtest burn-in. Stick #1 memtests clean at 260 (3.4V), however, #2 tests clean at 240 (3.4V). I guess I'll need another stick to match up with #1 or I put stick #2 back in the oven some more. Who coulda thought that running memtest could be so fun!
Gettin there.. :D
Blue catched up @250 and 3.4V
Interesting compare Dumo, do you think the drivers make a big difference?
Also did you get a booster or something? I thought your zippy had a vdimm issue with dfi...
Zippys no go :( . Im using enermax-EG851AX/660WQuote:
Originally Posted by isp
thx, my bad....Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai
worst reasoning.... EVERQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
if OPP jumped off a bridge ud do it?
Well after a week of toying around....
I have 2 x 512mB Mushkin BLUE UTT running clean north of 270.... at 3.6v. If I could get the sticks cooler I could possibly use 3.7v and hit 275+
Bandwidth wise, though... I get my best numbers at 310, asynch, 183 divider, around 8000mb/s with 9x divider, not bad...
But here it is:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...chmentid=27530
damn it you lucky mofo charlie ...congrats
i'm stuck at 265 at 3.6v single....dual maxes out 260 at 3.5 :(
My mum used to tell me that when i was in 4th grade ... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by blinky
Guess there is a reason he uses 'em while there is none in jumping off a bridge
I probably would jump off a bridge if OPP did. I mean..hes def. not an idiot..so i trust his judgement that it is safe. Im pretty sure hes not suicidal and doesnt wanna get hurt..so count me in :D
260 is a good result Tedy :toast: Not all sticks will run 270+... and after a week of burn-in and a little more tweaking, who knows ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
--- Charlie ---
Nice results! :toast: Would you be so kind as to post up an A64 tweaker shot for Tedy?
hey I have a question, Dumo was running 240 and got 7688mb/s and Charlie only managed 7288mb/s @273. Does the extra 1 and a half megs of cache and 950 mhz help that much in memory transfer? Or am I missing something?.... I guess it would depend on what the multi was right? or is it just Sis software?
yeah, exactly... the multi, CPU speed and FX make the difference!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saruji
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Just ordered 4x 512mb of those (don't tell me it's the wrong thing i ordered :stick: )
Hope i get at least 2 sticks with UTT :( 250 2-2-2 singlechannel would be perfect :)
Yup, those should be UTT :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashe
since I purchased these at outpost.com, can I walk in and exchange them at fry's? My pair suck a big one, Ive been having really bad luck with ram lately.
What results do you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
one stick does 230 while the other stick does 215 both at 3.4v(ive tried lower and higher voltage with no luck)
EDIT:
they must have heard me talking about them, for some reason there both running at 235 memtest stable when before I posted that they wouldnt. I didnt change anything :stick:
now there topping out at 242, i keepin em. but still, is it possible to return these to fry's just for future references?
these little bastard sticks were all no "no shroomy. dont return me to that big bad fry's. Well work I promise"
Sure, you could return them. Stand inline and say, they aren't compatible with my PC. They give you a pice of paper, you go back to PC section, tell him you want 2 XYZ sticks, he gives you a paper, you go up to the register, trade pieces of paper and he goes to the cage and grabs your sticks... you're done!
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shroomy i think your mobo suxors :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
I practically live at fry's, I go to the manhattan, fountain valley, anehiem, and city of industry all the time. Best return policy ever, you can just tell them you dont like em or say there not compatible with my monitor and they take em back. Ive spent many hours in the return line. I like to call it renting from fry's :shock2:
Strange thing, happened to me last week:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
my cheapo ram ran 230 cl2.5 memtest errorfree
From one day to another it gave me 4000 errors @same settings
Today i can run 234, no idea why but i like it :banana:
Hope my mushkin will kill them anyways ;)
well the ram is memtest stable at 240@2,2,2,8 but not windows stable. In order to get windows stable I have to run it at 240@2,3,2,8 just like good old ch-5, show ho much they have in common
Well, Fry's is my first choice on testing something out that hasn't been proven. Only bad thing is... don't be surprised to get retail CPU with opened box or OEM CPU with abused marks... Open box item there on items there usually means 1) not a good overclocker, 2) teething compatibility problem, 3) abused but might be good. Always ask for non open box item they have in stock for things that looks suspicious.
might wanna play with bios settings as I had similar problem till I found some different settings ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shroomalistic
Quote:
Originally Posted by JNav89GT
any hints :worm:
that's a GREAT smilie, heheehhe
:worm:
E-mailed Mushkin about UTT, this is what they said:
Waited almost a week for this information... :( , but we now know something hey. :)Quote:
Hello ---name---,
We are supplying Outpost.com and some Fry's electronics with Blue modules bearing WinBond UTT chips based on the CH5 and BH5 dies. They are not binned for operation beyond the rated specifications but as you can see from the forums the majority are operational at the speed you quoted. Again, they are available only through Outpost.com and some Fry's Electronics.
------------------- Original Message -------------------
Sent: 03/19/2005
Subject: DDR CL2 Blue Line has Winbond chip's?
Hello,
I have heard on some forum's (eXtreme systems
<http://xtremesystems.org/forums>, GoT <http://gathering.tweakers.net>)
that Mushkin is using (new) Winbond chips(CH5(/UTT) or BH-5) on there
DDR CL2 Bleu Line memory. Is that correct? And if so, how can I be sure
to order a Winbond set from your site?
And are the chip's tested for a speed(example 230Mhz 2-2-2-5 @ 3Volt)
for being placed on the memory, or all (good and bad overclockers) been
placed on the memory?
I'll hope you can answer my question's and maybe you can send me some
more information about the new Winbond chip's on your Memory.
My regards,
---name---
Good news if you aks me :toast:
And thank you for asking :)
reguarding the email, think they mix the ic's on the sticks?
What do you mean "they mix the ic's?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
I think they put UTTs on em?
btw prices @outpost dropped to 59.99$ (1 day after I ordered 4 sticks :slap: )
no. a batch was built with bh and another batch with ch chips. there was no chip mixing or any kind. .. ch had no dots and bh has 2 dots.
Duonger- Yes i work for Mushkin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashe
we gave frys an extremely good price on these parts. it is up to them as to what price they are going to sale these. they have very little left and after this, we will release the parts at regular price to everyone else. so i would get them while they last there.....fry b&m as well as outpost.com
Duonger
:banana:
Well looks like I will probably throw my OCZ fanboyism aside and pick up a gig of this own4g3 and sell my TCCD, mobo, and XT PE and head on over to the DFI Lanparty Ultra-D :banana:
Anyone ordered from outpost to europe? They ship internationally but don't state the cost for shipment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
Besides the dots, is there any other way to tell the difference?
edit:
How many people get errors over 3.4v? I can run memtest at 3.38v with no errors what so ever but if I just crank up the voltage to 3.4v I get instant errors and thosands of them.
Bit more tweaking and playing (as well as burning in) now my 2gb 4x512mb set is stable 243mhz 2-2-2-6 3.3v :) Will increase voltage and fine tune more.
Edit) Now testing 250mhz 2-2-2-6 3.5v. Memtest86 ran fine and testing windows memtest to confirm. Strange how I thought winchester can't handle 4 dimm... 1T well... but it is doing fine it seems... If venice shows more promise than winchester on 4x512mb... i might have to take out heatspreader... :P I did change drive str to 8 and it does seem to help taking more voltage on memory in... Sweet spot for me would be 260 2-2-2-5 or 2-2-2-6 but I will wait for venice to really push the memory :P Quite happy as is now.
I'm waiting on the Mushkin Blue vs. Ocz Value VX vs. twinmos SP DEATHMATCH!! :banana:
Well, tomorrow I will go to my local Fry's and see if they have this stuff.
Its nice to have another employee of a pc component manufacturer as part of this forum. :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
@ anyolne who knows- What is the warranty on these chips and what is the highest warrented voltage?
I'm really sorry for being the slow one here, but what 2 dots is he talking about? Dots on the pcb? I've read this whole thread and I dont see anything about a 2 dot. Some please clarify, as someone else is probably thinking the same thing. Ahhh i'm getting them tommorro, please tell, what am I going to get or how do I tell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duonger
Thanks
Saruji
this is sold as blue value stuff...so i highly doubt mushkin will cover it beyond the normal 2.6-2.8 volts for their normal ram
mushkin has lifetime if you stay within specs ;D
yes...dots...physical indentations on the chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saruji
but it shouldnt matter to you, since most of them have heatspreaders on them...removal = death of warranty
as for being able to tell...look for the brainpower pcb...written on the side corner somewhere "BPXXXX"
aside from that...theres only one other way to find out.... :devil:
lolz alright man, thanks for answering my question, it might be worth it, i never removed the ones from my mushkin ram but always felt like I had to, to prove that its real bh5. Well it oc'ed nicely but how do I really know?????? lolz ok, i'm gonna go study now.
I did :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
it's 20§ Airbone express (my choice) or 40$ DHL (if I remember, may depend on where you are, I'm in Germany)
update:
WHAT THE :banana::banana::banana::banana:
The guy from DHL just came in the second I typed this
That's 2 1/2 days of shipping from USA to Europe :slobber:
And I had to pay ~55$ duty :slap:
Gonna play with them now :D
You mean all the sticks with Brainpower PCB are UTT/Bh5 (the new stuff :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by chinkgai
@Duonger: Are there visible differences (labeling, part numbers, PCB etc.) in modules with BH-UTT and CH-UTT?
I allready have Twinmos CH-UTT. Plan to move to BH-UTT if I can be SURE I get ones with BH.
There is CH-UTT and BH-UTT? :stick:
I thought UTT is always "CH"?
Can some one give me a link where to buy these ram in Italy (or in Europe)?
I can't find anything....
Thanks a lot:)
I think only outpost.com and some fry's have them (i mean the good stuff) and they are in the USAQuote:
Originally Posted by Crimson_dAWN
You can still order them from outpost.com if you are in europe but shipping will be about 20$
link is here (that's what i ordered, you may also look through the thread)
AFAIK UTT means only UnTesTed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashe
Are these new BH-dies binned to 200MHz at Infineon's/Winbond's fab? :confused: If not, they are as UTT as they can.
http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?o=5&fs=Mu...&in=&x=30&y=13Quote:
Originally Posted by Crimson_dAWN
Edit: Only these seem to be 2-3-3.
@Ashe: 20$ for shipping from another continent is a bargain for us Europeans: almost every retailer takes 20-30€ for international shipping. That's 25-40$.
Yea i know, it's greatQuote:
Originally Posted by largon
And keep in mind: My order from outpost took 2 and a half days for shipping to germany, man that's what i call service :banana:
I'm now off to set up my rig and give some fire to them mushkins :banana:
That's sweet mate. So how much did you end up payin for the ram in total? With shipping and duty (wonder how much they would charge in sweden... bigass taxes over here). :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashe
I have 1gb Speed Premium 3500 1A4T BH-5 on the way... 200$ with shipping. thats really cheep over here in sweden :cool:
since fry's / outpost has such an awesome return policy, you guys think I should exchange these blue lines and try for the bh-5 blue lines. It seems the new shipment is bh-5 at outpost.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ons/icon14.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by StarvationPlan
Ok, i paid 196$. ;) (cuz i chose postförskott and not VISA :p: from komplett.se)
Think i paid ~320$ in total (4x 512mb)
According to a Mushkin rep, all the dual packs of Mushkin Blue at Outpost should now use the BH-5 chips. I just cancelled my order of 2 individual sticks that I placed last night and ordered 2 dual packs :) Hope I get some good ones!!!
nope they dont speed bin them...what else you want for 60$ ?
Same here. I ordered this morning, cancelled, then reordered the dual pack. I hope they are good.Quote:
Originally Posted by cartmanea
Just ordered 4 of the 512mb sticks... been out of the loop for a few, is UTT = to new BH5, just means Untested but essentially the same chips? Are my chances essentially 100% to get this stuff on all 4 sticks? Or should I call Outpost and tell them I want to switch to two dual packs of the good Blue stuff if I want good performance? I currently am running two sticks (dual pack) of Mushkin 2-2-2 BH6 Special Black and am looking for similar-performing RAM in a greater quantity.
Quote:
Originally Posted by StarvationPlan
EXACTOMUNDO....
LOL LOL LOL
Duonger
I bought 4 TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM...3 stick were fine doing 260-265 range while 4th was RMA.....Quote:
Originally Posted by StarvationPlan
Buy more , test them, if not working ok return and say incompatibility with friends mobo or something :P
dam this, dual pack? grrr, well we will see what I get, how reliable is this source that says that the bh5's are in the dual pack? I'ma be pissed if this is a marketing stunt.
Meh, even if mine are just normal ram, it has to be better than my value vx that i have to run at 187 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Saruji