260Mhz 2-2-2-5 1T can be matched to ~ 290MHz 2.5-3-3-5 1T TCCD.
its about 30MHz.
I get 273x11 (BH5) 41.59sec pifast. With TCCD i get the same time at 300x10. (TCCD 2.5-3-3-6 maxed out)
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260Mhz 2-2-2-5 1T can be matched to ~ 290MHz 2.5-3-3-5 1T TCCD.
its about 30MHz.
I get 273x11 (BH5) 41.59sec pifast. With TCCD i get the same time at 300x10. (TCCD 2.5-3-3-6 maxed out)
I'm still working on the divider myth:D
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=21355&stc=1
Not in a 3Dmark 2001 bench in can't. 2.5-3-3-5 can't touch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kakaroto
OPP
quick question OPP, does the 4000+ handle more like an FX-53 or FX-55?
Looks like MSI has ANOTHER WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!
:toast:
C
It runs like a FX-53, and this particular chip overclocks like a low level FX-53:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
OPP
I get 273x11 (BH5) 41.59sec pifast. With TCCD i get the same time at 300x10. (TCCD 2.5-3-3-6 maxed out)Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Ok, CAS2 is faster in 3dmark01 indeed.
BAM! 330 right into windows, this getting fun:D
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=21356&stc=1
With booster or cap mod? If cap mod, that seems rather larger drop than I am used to seeing. I guess you are running 3.3v around 3.75 or so for cap mod?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Might as well test the 133 divider while we're at it.
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=21357&stc=1
That was with booster.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
OPP
Hmmm now really starting to think I might have faulty booster. may have taken out 1 mobo behaving erratically on few VX.... Interesting.
Some 133 divider loven, this Neo4 is great board, it just doesn't to stop going:D
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=21358&stc=1
LDT = x ? :)
370 HTT :slobber: Holy crap!!!
Thats nothing bro, I think this Board has some major 400+ potential, I'm working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoGMaN
GravediggA,
I'm useing 2.5 at the moment, I just put it there to be safe, it may not need to be that low.
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=21360&stc=1
Looks really good! Where is the Ram that can handle 400 MHz!? :D
Hey OPP,
do you know if the NF4 chipset has the same limitation on the SATA ports crapping out above 240fsb?
I don't know about all of the ports but I'm useing a Raptor on the SATA1 port right now with no problems at 390, there are 8 ports on this bad boy:DQuote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
OPP
Alright then, that's menough, when this board hits the retail market I'll dump the P4 for an A64 and some voltage lovin OCZ (if still available). I want to experience this freaking HTT madness!! :brick:
hehe ok thanks OPP. I have 4 drives running in 2 seperate arrays and want to be sure I'm not going to be stuck because of this. On NF3 I could only use on array as the other would crap out at 240+. I hope I could run both arrays on the NF4 without an issue.
390HTT :slobber:
Amazing....
MSI has completely undone their 2003 reputation...
Next we'll see an NF4 Ulta-PCI-X
which will be NF4 with DDR2 and PCI Xpress....
Imagine OCZ DDR2-4200 running 350mHz, 1:1 @ 3-2-2-x with an x850xt plat
One downfall to this mobo. V-core is only 1.63V max. And from what I hear the controller only handles up to 1.65V.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Gunna have to wait and see what the v-mod experts come up with.
OPP
I dont see what is the big deal with high HTT?? it's the FINAL hyper transport speed that matters for the overall performance of the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
So with 390HTT, the LDT must either be 3x or 2x. With an LDT of 3, 3x390= 1170MHz, it is very unlikely since it's way above nvidia spec'd 1000MHz. So you most likely will use your LDT at 2X for 2x390HTT = 780 MHz final hyper transport speed, which is not a big accomplishment overall.
For memory overclock with 390HTT, you most likely will not be running your RAMs sync'd. (I have not seen anyone with 390MHz in memory overclock posted). So, the only ram options are to use 166 or 133 settings in the BIOS. With a 166 setting your memory speed would be 324 MHz (390HTT*166/200). Even that is highly unlikely, unless you go with the gskill 4800 sticks which only comes in 256 flavors for 2x256=512MB max).
So the most logical choice would be 133 memory setting in BIOS which is 390HTT*133/200 = 260MHz memory speed. I have seen people with much higher memory speeds than that!
So basically, running 390HTT is no big deal and is not such an impressive accomplishment in overclocking. It just sounds impressive on paper.
HTT isn't that important for A64, if you look at the benchmarks. The only reason high HTT is nice is because it gives people more options on how to run their chip at it's best :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jhya
In addition, high HTT screens just look sweet. :slobber:
basically, ability to achieve high HTT is for those people that are "multi-locked" (non FX owners)...
say you have e.g. 3200+ Winnie that's doing 2.8GHz. to get there at stock multi (x9) you need to run it at 311HTT... that's where high HTT is important....
even better, if you have 2.9Ghz Winnie 3200+ you need 322HTT... and so on...
that an sli board opp?
my guess is 3 but i would love to be wrong :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GravediggA
/edit : when did you all answer!!?!?! :confused:
werdQuote:
Originally Posted by mcnbns
why is everyone defending bh-5? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcTan
how often do you get 1gb dual kits of bh-5 thatll do 266mhz im @ 258 2-2-2-10 1T on my 754 :toast: 260 was my best but it didnt last long.
this stuff is awesome.
...awaiting Oppainter's 400+ HTT screeny... :D
If HTT isn't that important, what is?
The actual RAM speed itself and certain timings :)Quote:
Originally Posted by racoontje
I never got one, tryed 400 and it wouldn't boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
OPP
Guessing MSI comes with CoreCell utility? Asus right now feels a little barren and I have to test with ntune ATM. Where is the darned clockgen?
Have you tested TCCD with it?
I havn't used any utility, the board I got never came with a CD, no drivers, nothing:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
OPB tested TCCD on one of these boards.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48594
OPP
Poor boy...poor boy...:D:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Btw, nice board and HTT you got there.
Let's wait and see if the boards that will hit the market are so good or even better than that(/dream off...). :)
They better be better:D This board won't cut it, lack of V-core will be it's demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by dutchman.pt
OPP
HTT doesnt mean anything. It's the final hyper transport speed that you get from HTT that's important. So, for HTT of 390 if you go with LDT of 2x then the final hypertransport speed is 2X390 = 780MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by racoontje
The most important factor that affects system performance on an Athlon64 system is the MEMORY speed / MEMORY latency timings and FINAL CPU speed in MHz. To a lesser degree, the FINAL hyper transport frequency, but benchmarks have shown that there is very little difference between various hyper transport frequencies.
board's ability to hit very high HTT is needed only in one case:Quote:
Originally Posted by racoontje
say you have Winchester 3000+ which has default multi of x9.... if you have a feeling that your CPU will hit 2.7GHz then you would need 300HTT for it. but supposedly, you got phase change cooling and then thought that your Winnie could hit 3GHz... if your board can't achieve 333HTT then you're out of luck for that 3GHz.
apart from that, very high HTT just looks cool on screenshots but gives pretty much nothing in performance compartment.
what's important? CPU speed, actual DDR frequency and timmings.
or default 11x multi with people trying to go over 3ghz... that already went past what lot of memoy can do 1:1. 11x multi aren't quite the CPU I would call cheap yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by bachus_anonym
Now that aside, glad it is working on NF4 boards.
ok, i owe an appology to everyone. my VX is doing much better on the DFI LP 754. Big thanks to acidbaby for telling me to set drive strength to auto LOL.
Settings on DFI:
drive strength auto
vcore: 1.425x123%
chipset voltage: 1.8v
AGP voltage: 1.7v
Vdimm: 3.41
2-2-2-10 1t command
all other mem setting on auto
heatspreaders are off with 90mm fan blowing directly over the ram
voltage for vdimm is done on modded dfi bios with the 3.3 pot turned up to 3.6v on the ocz PS 520w
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=21400
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=21401
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=21402
HAPPY HOLIDAYS FROM TRANS AM :) :toast:
just for the record, this is the best memory I ever had!
Woot! That's good. Too bad my A8N SLI doesn't have way to lock LDT multi for some strange reason...???? Works on ntune though...
Will play bit more to figure out but friggin ntune tops @ 250FSB. Where is the clockgen? :P On dos though I was able to test pair of bh-5 to 250mhz fine so I guess I will test my VXs all again. (3.36 memtest, 3.45 idle actual vdimm) I already modded the board for cap mod :)
DFI 754 owns! Like I said, I ran as high as 269MHz error-free on the same board. The next time I'm at my sister-in-law's place, I'm going to test higher.
Good job, Alvin! And Happy Holidays to everyone here at XS! :D
Appologies accepted Trams Am, lol! :D
Still, 33 seconds on SuperPi 1m isn't that great for a ClawHammer at 10x264 with those timings.
I did 33sec at 10x255 with my old Claw at 2-2-2-5.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=21410&stc=1
10x264 should show 32 seconds i think.
Nice to hear the RAM works well for you at least. ;)
He just needs to get in and use that A64 Tweaker now, or the DFI bios. Those timings displayed in his post aren't nearly as impressive as the clocks he's getting from the sticks. I understand that he is still just checking max mem clocks now though, all Auto, not optimised. That'd get him the missing second I bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
:D Glad you are happy!Quote:
just for the record, this is the best memory I ever had!
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/146/29156sy.jpg
ya, id say i was happy with my VX too!! :toast:
(this is with a stock clocked x800xt-pe)
http://img152.exs.cx/img152/8118/266x1113hp959cd.jpg
this PI was @ 265x11
http://img152.exs.cx/img152/9089/28secpi8bi.jpg
all this with AIR cooling (and 2C outside air :rolleyes: )
you are right on mikead! I just got my highest stable clocks! I was so excited to post, I just wanted to get the screens on here as fast as I could before leaving to CT, for Xmas eve. When I get back, I plan to get a better time using a64 tweaker. Hopefully these will run this nice in dual channel, but from what I see, the vx may not go as high once I take them off the single channel dfi board.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikead_99
I know this is unrelated to the topic, but does any one know why the fonts on my Super PI screen is different than everyone else's? How do I change the font back?
http://home.comcast.net/~jiahwa/Super_PI.JPG
i read all the tread, and i decide to buy the vx with a booster
xv and fx is a "wow" combination :P
So are any of you guys 24/7 HL2 allnight stable with this mem @ 250 to 260 2-2-2-5 ??????
Or is it just great for a benchmark tool, kinda memory ?
Thanks
I won't bother posting if it's not 3d game stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
Then I musta gotten 2 sets of bad sticks. I can not get any of them stable in Half Life2 or UT 2004 a dime over 237Mhz for any extended period of time... have ran benchies at up to 265. But game stable....far from it, unless 5 mins and a crash is stable :)
Tryed em in Asus P4C800 vmoded and with out vmod and booster/ Neo 2 Plat with booster / IS7 with booster / DFI UT 250 GB with and with out Booster.
One stick at a time and in dual channel.
PSU = OCZ 520
120mm Fan blowing down on the mem
Neo Plat is cooled by MachII GT, the rest are water cooled rigs.
Can u post your results on P4C800 plz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
There is a beta bios that fixes that floating around.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
It appears that results from VX are all over the place.
Question:
OCZ pc3200 el rev2 (that I have now) or OCZ VX? Since the price is kinda the same I really can't choose. It's for a Winnie 3200+ btw.
how does VX perform on nf2 chipsets ??
If you want good OC + stability 3200el r2 is the best bet. I realy think the VX is just for the benchmark sportQuote:
Originally Posted by Ulti
If I'm not mistaken these ram aren't quite good in Intel as they are in AMD, I got the same board and I'm using OCZ3700 rev2 and they simply rock in my platform and I saw some reviews in AMD and they didn't rocked, so as I said if i'm not mistaken in this thread or another about this awsome VX ram it's stated that they don't do well in Intel platforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue078
oh, btw OCZ is really HEAVY METAL, it rock's everything I'm really pleased with their products my next PSU will be OCZ and my next ram again OCZ, I'm waiting 'bhk2' DDR booster and then I will be even more happy
Not very good. They can memtest pretty high but running your computer off them is not a good idea. The chipset can't handle what these chips can do and major instability will occur. I am running these sticks on my NF2 and won't put it much over 206+ as after that blue screens, reboots and crashes occur very often. These really are fine tuned for a64 only with an expception of intel not running as good as a64 but much better than nf2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nazaar
I got new Maximum PC issue last night. They had lackluster performance on the powerstream in a power supply shootout. I can't believe this. I think the ocz PS 520w is the cats pajamas! That antec psu can't be that good. no pots? we need pots!Quote:
Originally Posted by FallenAngel
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=21616&stc=1
A number of magazines are paid by manufacturers to promote a particular product. I don't know about this one, but that could the issue here.
they ticked the review becuase the us version does not have Active PFC , about half there tests are just testing how the active PFC works.
We also got ticked becuase the voltages were not exactly on the mark ( 12.27 starting voltage I beleive ) , which is due to the adjustable rails , odd they would complain about something they can adjust .
I am sure if it had PFC we would have won the Editors choice
Why doesn't the US version have Active PFC?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
Why doesn't the US version have Active PFC?
Putting 480W Antec above any OCZ PowerStream is retarded for sure. Why read that stupid magazine - their reviewers probably didn't know what adjustable pots were. Maybe they thought it was some sort of holiday decoration.
Well in the US the wall voltage tends to be stable enough that active PFC is not required. We figured keeping the cost low or adding a feature that really has little benefit in the us , the best idea would be to keep the cost low.
yeah i was thinking the same thing about this reveiw when i got this isssue i think they are totally wrong:(
most of us on this forum probably have some sort of UPS which at the same time regulates voltage.
can i use VX + booster on my IS7-E ? :confused:
I think xs needs to put out a monthly magazine. overclocking and case mods/ and cooling and no bs! That mag would fvcking rule!
I'll probably be getting 1gig of VX, i don't think this BH-5 i have will do verry well with my new a64 rig in DC. :(
Hopefully my DDR booster will help.
i thought active PFC also leads to better efficiency? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
Nope, it's the opossite.
On one hand it generates a little more heat (which results in lower efficiency) but it does stabilize the input voltage and helps keep our environment a little bit more frindly. :)
It's kind of a compromise. Nothing to brag about if your outlet voltage is stable enough.
Not quite, just corrects the Power factor, it's as easy as that.
Well... at least I can see the resemblance between correcting the PF and "keeping our environment friendly". :)
But enough OT: I want VX! :D
Maybe you do not know what PF is ;)
PS. In January maybe I can sell some VX to you ;)
Not to start a conspiracy theory, but the testing methods were designed to knock any non PFC PSU right out of the top spot. Makes you wonder how many of us expect to see 60 volts from a US wall socket. Hmmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich
They totally glossed over our adjustable rails, giving it hardly a mention and then bit**ed because they saw 12.27 volts or so on the 12v line! Hehe, that sounds awsome to all of us here at XS, no? They could have adjusted it to 12v exactly.
Oh well.
Yeah, a stupid review anyways. If you can't appreciate the value of having rails that don't dip under their normal voltage, it makes you wonder why you're doing a PSU review anyways.
sometimes the abysmally stupid things Maxpc editors do leaves me quite irritated....being reviewers they must know something about tweaking and general performance, after all ~ they taught me how to OC
the fact that they blew off the adjustable pots is suspicious...but everyone here at XS knows who the real champion was ;)
TA DA!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
:)
hehe, that's exactly what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyOCZ
maximum pc is all about what's trendy....Modular psu's. If the powerstream was modular it would've had a 8 lol. And who was that stupid idiot at ocz that turned the 12v pot up to 12.27? was that you Andy? lol. The fact is, we have put our powerstreams through hell and back. I've turned every pot up to it's max and I can't get it to pop. That alone should make it editors choice! :toast: If it makes you feel better OCZ, I give it a
-12 out of 10
- editors choice
-best power supply from a ram company
And if you really want to go there, This is OCZ's first attempt at a PSU. And the fact is, it's better than most psu's from power supply companies that have had years of experience. I look at it like getting beaten up in your own front yard. :CTF:
DOH!!Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I hope it wasn't when you were trying to pickup a new GF, when ya were like 12... :bananal: :dammit:
That'd be embarrassing to the point that much drinking may follow for years to come!!
:toast:
Quote:
maximum pc is all about what's giving them money
(I added the stuff in bold, for effect.) teh l33t OCZ pwnz j00, bizatch!Quote:
And if you really want to go there, This is OCZ's first attempt at a PSU. And the fact is, it's better than most psu's from power supply companies that have had years of experience. I look at it like getting beaten up in your own front yard (and then getting raped by a pack of wild boars).
I never have liked Maximum PC. Their name is very misleading.
VX? Where?
Actually it was a quote from a magazine about some professional skateboarder who was kicked off his team and went to a different team and got first place in a Vert contest he was in. he was up against some of the skateboarders on his old team, and the magazine was implying that it was like getting beaten up in your own front yard. Whoa now I'm really off topic. lol Damn that VX is really good stuff. It's actually running higher than my current cpu can keep up with. If I lower the multi, I'm going to lose too much cpu performance, so I need to keep it in the sweet spot for now. I bet if I burned it in a little more I could get up to 265-268.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzz
Back on topic, where can I find some OCZ VX? I can't find it anywhere.
mwaveQuote:
Originally Posted by SPQQKY
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/DeepSearch.hmx?scriteria=vx&Dname=Memory%20-%20OCZ&Pname=OCZ%20ENHANCES%20LATENCY%20DDR%20DIMM %20(184%20PINS)&DID=MR-OCZ&PID=MEM-OCZ2100
Quick question... did anyone did compatibility test with Asus A8N SLI on this? I seem to have extremely hard time going over 250FSB 1:1 with VX or OCZ EL REV2 when BH-5 flies through that "barrier" fine. VX has no problem going over 260 dual channel on K8N Neo2 now and EL Rev2 going over 280mhz on K8N Neo2 no problem either.
It also seems to me VX and divider issue exist on A8N SLI. (BH-5 tested well up to 310FSB 5:4 setting atm).
ExcaliberPC has them as well. Just ordered one kit in anticipation of the arriving of Socket939 in my house :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by SPQQKY
pleading for help/advise....
my system is currently only running:
intel 2.8c-stock cooling
1 SATA hdd + floppy
radeon 9600xt
vx + booster
3 80mm case fans
all powered by generic 450W psu~ 3.3V@28A, 5V@40A, 12V@20A
the results ive gotten so far with the vx are kinda demoralizing...
ive only been using 3.2V via booster but often i see the display skip between 3.1,3.2 & 3.3v
RESULTS - all @ 1:1 divider
200fsb @ 2.2.2.5, ok-works fine
206fsb @ 2.2.2.5 ,not ok, memtest, test 4 produces 10000+ errors @ 2mins+
240 & 235fsb @ 2.5.3.3.8, boots into windows ok but i constantly get "an error has occured with either IE, Sygate Firewall, MSN messenger and needs to be closed"
250fsb @ 3.3.3.8, wont boot...sigh
would really appreciate some advise. could it be my lowly psu? ive unplugged my 2 optical drives and other hdd to ensure sufficient power is available and am running my pc at a bare minimum.
i have been running my pc stable at 250fsb with 2x512 value rams set at 5/4 divider (2.5.3.3.8)...was really hoping for more with the vx...what could be wrong?
A few questions.
1:What IC's are being used?
2:Are the quality now as good as the first sticks that shipped?
Seems alot of the original buyers have the best results over alot of forums I've visited.
Yes I was wondering about the yields of these newer batches compared to the original batches as well.
1: OCZ IC's ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by choseone214
2: The quality is just as good now as earlier.
The guys here were the first and they know and they are Xtreme, so that may explain why they do better.
lol I need a bumper sticker that says "xs members do it better"Quote:
Originally Posted by andyOCZ
If you get that sticker made, get one for me, too. I'll pay you for your troubles. :D
By the way, VX rules...just in case it hasn't been mentioned enough. ;)