I think COnrad had so much bad luck in the recent past with hardware that the overclock gods were finally merciful. He simply got some amazing VX.
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I think COnrad had so much bad luck in the recent past with hardware that the overclock gods were finally merciful. He simply got some amazing VX.
it could be the burn in , I mean some of the results people get after burning in are amazing
Those that have tried, do you really see much of a gain between 3.3v and 3.5v?
I ask because I can't feed my modules more than ~3.35v and that drops to near 3.3v under load, 3.3vRail is too low.
So, I'm wondering if upping my 3.3vRail is going to net me any benefits? I would jus go do it but voiding warrantee on a PC P&C is not something I'm dying to do.
I hope it does. With 3.3v I can't do anything over 243 let alone 261. More volts better bring me more mhz or these things are out the door. my BH-6 is doing better right now.
We have tested every module that has come back to us and many that were unstable on customers rigs are fine on the test rigs we use.We still swap out though to brand new modules.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
I have a feeling there is more to the reasons for the lack of stability than meets the eye here...maybe its our boards or CPU's...its just hard to tell.
On a side note guys we test to 240 or so 2-2-2 but going by results seen on this thread overall results can be VERY different. I said this before and i feel i must repeat that this is NOT DDR500 ram, we don't test it that high as there are just to many factors involved in getting a solid guarantee at that speed.
There is deffinitly a difference. Better yet, between 3.3V and 3.7V, bigger difference. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
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there are some oddities with this mems.... ATM i'm memtesting at DDR460 again but i had to lower vdimm quite significantly to be able to do so... few days ago i posted a screenie of 10hrs of memtest @ DDR512 with 3.51v.... today at the same volts even DDR400 is not stable... i lowered vdimm to 3.20v and i'm memtesting @ DDR430 again :confused:
i don't think i will be able to hit that DDR512 again, though :(
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
What sort of diff between 3.3v & 3.5v in terms of MHz?
Can't tell off the right off the bat. I'd have to test it, but I know there's a gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
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On your NF2 board. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Well in my case, that is hard to justify with above clause since the other sticks of VX were doing fine 256, 258, 267mhz @ 3.5v. To put blame on mobo or CPU is bit iffy unless I had 3 strange cpu and 2 mobos (yes the failed one in my book usually gets special treatments). If this type of incident is isolated only to me, these are very good memory for price. Even if it is not, if you don't have to RMA often (hah! :P) it still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
As for 3.3 -> 3.5, I got about 6-10mhz gain. Rookie is going to test my good pair of VX on A8N and tell me if divider issue is still present on other mobos. (NF4 Sli one's especially... got this memory in anticipation of SLI anyway)
Bacchus, I suggest you try to boot with another memory quick before putting these VX one again. I don't quite know what it is but I had similar sympton and disappeared once I put TCCD in for short time and put VX back. Also, 3.51v, the memory approaches around 50c in my setup. booster pumping heat out from mosfet next to memory doesn't help either. Try better cooling real quick to see if that is the culprit.
I think tonys point is that its PC-3200 and doing 2-2-2 at anything remotely near 500 is quite amazing by itself
Keep in mind sucess at overclocking is affected by so many things
for example I have 2 msi socket 939 motherboards in my personal lab , let me show you some results I got with a few pairs of PC-3200 rev 2 plat( max memtest stable speed 25 passes test 5 )
Kit # 1 board # 1 = 281
Kit # 1 board # 2 = 275
Kit #2 board # 1 = 273
Kit #2 board # 2 = 279
As you can see the results make no sense , just one CPU / board /PSU combo likes one pair better that the other
I am sure I could isolate the problem exactly given enough time , but we accept that things like room temp / electrical noise and so on vary.
Our solution to that problem is to build enough overhead into the products that its imposible not to mee the spec ( in this case the spec is 200 2-2-2 @ 3.3 volts )
With that said, I'm buying myself a Zippy PSU for the Holidays. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
no no
buy a Powerstream :-D
I've had the pleasure of owning one already. It's time for me to step up to the big guns. ;)
PC P&C will be selling 800w PSUs soon...
MUAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
traitors...
Now seriously If you guys have suggestions for things you want to see in a PSU send them to me , I will foward them to the folks that handle product development.
for the low price of $80,000 hehe jk
Ryan,Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
I will happily swap my un-modded (still under warrantee) PC P&C 510w for a 600w OCZ PowerStream.
Wot d'you say dude, have we got a deal? hehehe
lol :D
I've had a 600w powerstream on order since middle of last month.. darn retailer keeps pushing their ETA back :rolleyes:
Ah well, gives me time to dial in a few settings.
Check out the power of this beauty.
EDIT:
I love how this thread has just become the multipurpose/emotional/let-your-feelings-flow thread. :D
Sweeet mother of Santa!Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
Zippy 650 +3.3V@45A, +5V@50A, +12V@36A
OCZ Powerstream 600 3.3V(28A),+5V(46A), +12V1(20A), +12V2(18A) total 12v 38A
It beats us a little, except the 12 volt... but not for long
That 3.3vRail is the real clincher for me... 2x512mb @ ridiculous must suck a fair bit of amps from that rail, and once the voltage is raised the amps available would fall... 45amps is jus plain naaasty
So Ryan, no mention on that offer I made you? :p:
If the Zippys are good enough for the top dogs in Japan, it's more than good enough for a frustrated overclocker in California like me. :D
1) Reasonable priced PSU. Bit hard to do but Powerstream 520W is about 15% more expensive in general than when it came out... LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
2) Forget the size. We want the power. Looks are nice too but not worth sacrificing for power. I suggest you guys acquire Zippy 700W PSU yourself and see how lay out of PSU is drastically better as well as size of components used due to its length (22cm). I know it is not for everyone but so is the bigger than 600W PSU. Might as well go all out if you were going overboard anyway.
3) Despite the fact I didn't buy OCZ 600W, I love how your 20+4pin and 4+4pin lines are set up. Keep up the goodies.
4) Read PC&P's claim of how they measure, etc and claim similar act on your end.
5) Maybe another non standard connector with optional multi meter display that displays voltage of selected channel would be nice on this top dog. Easily switchable between 3.3v, 5v, 12v would give us better idea than LED for actual voltage supplied without having to probe too deep :P (Even using standard molex with different marking, etc could do it so people can still use DMM if they wish).
6).... I ran out of thinkings :) Now do I get something if one of my idea is used ? :)
I would like to see all of the above in a new product dubbed the OCZ Powerstream 690.
690W of ultra-clean power with the absolute bare-minimum noise
+3.3V@69A
+5V@69A
+12V@69A
We'll all refer to it as The Big 69er. I'll be willing to cough up $400 for one if you decide to put it out on the market. :slobber:
marketing would love it too!! LOL
no idea what it is with the price of our products rising over time , the weird thing is we dropped the cost to retailers since the products have been released
notes take on the rest of the stuff
Sorry about getting off topic guys
sorry for going on with my "problem" but i finally fixed it.... ufff.. :)
so to summarize all my efforts, i'm back with error free "memtesting" @ DDR512 (as i was few days ago). the problem was voltage.... i'm at 3.45v now and even cranking volts to 3.5v generates errors now....
so, for now i just keep it burning at 3.45v and we'll see if i can squeeze out anything more of those VX :)
Fine wine gets better with age. You've only been sipping from the glass for 4 days. ;)
Here's to hoping you get what you want out of that memory.
:toast:
Err... Rookie tested my memory with his awesome cooling prowess and steady voltage on dimm and got 270 2-2-2-x on my pair of sticks :) I am going to ask tomorrow exactly what he did when I see him to drop nice goody off (can we say SLI :P)
Do you guys reallly need a 700w+ PSU? How low are you rails using a 500w PSU? I ask because I can't imagine how my 530w Fortorn wouldn't be enough unless I ran some tecs or something.
he used the wire mod, u should give that a go ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jinu117
Why go only to 690w,why not go direct to 1000w :devil: and make a beast of a PSU,now that woot be xtreme ;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
Whats with all these big @ss PSUs. Do these things give you better benches or somthing?:D Do you guys really think you need more then 500W power supplies to get a good overclock these days?
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Not trying to argue with you but Honestly someone like me uses probably a lot more power than most of hardcore benchers would. It is actually quite simple as why. Bling bling fans, multiple HDDS (lot of times multiple raptors), multiple cd/dvd recorder,... you know... whole bunch of junks that doesn't get used for beching purposes (and even a lot of USB peripherals... I never thought I would run out of 4 USB port at back... I am using about 6-7 depening on back and 2 in front occasionally)Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Add this to nice SLI and I can assure you I will most likely to be able to buckle majority of 500W PSU. (Even current rig when 3dmarking shows my 1100VA UPS @ 58% load when I am phasechange cooling with video overclocked. Qucik calculation shows I am using about 450+ watts granted PSU is running @ 70%. probably higher while gaming as hdd power is not in equation while playing game)
It is scarey trend but anyone with decent UPS, I suggest you test it out to see how much power you might be using... :)
You probably have a good point if people use that much stuff. I wouldn't make that type of rig a big overclocking unit though.
I do have a regualar everyday rig. I run 3x Raptors a, couple of DVD players, 3 fans and a Floppy on it:D
I use a POS 470W Noisetaker
Runs good though, this is the same rig I used to test the VX memory on without any power problems.
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=21257&stc=1
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Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
LOL. I like how you mounted the rad. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=21259&stc=1
Nice rig Trans Am:)
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[OT] My rad is mounted in the same way. Do you guys have the fans pushing or pulling air from the case?
I say yesQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D..._433to614W.jpg
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what size apc ups are you using? i just purchased a 700VA for my rig and was wondering if that would be enough for a 520w psu and vaopchillLS. i'm wondering if i should have got a 1000va/670w
Got three Belkin 800W UPS here - main rig running at 70% most of the time - 550W Antec PSU in it - must be almost maxxed out!
APC BackUPS RS 1500VA for 865W... can't find the optional APC BR24BP battery for this unit in OZ it triples the total wattage it can handle :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jikdoc
i guess the apc smart700 won't cut it, time to look for another one
I'm not real concerned on my water temps for this rig, I have the Rad fan sucking out of the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoX
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i am sucking through the rad and blowing out the case... sucking and blowing lol!
Jin, knowing your setup, (read from forum, heard from few other's etc), I suggest at least 1000VA. Use the 700VA for vapochillLS by itself and few oddities such as monitor :)
Even 1000VA if you calculate out will only power about tops 700W as PSU efficiecny on full load typically is around 70%. (you are actually drawing 1000W to cover that 700W)
700VA will only supply most likely 490W tops. Now, that gets real iffy with Vapo, monitor, CPU, etc.
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The way I see it, I don't get any freebies like top benchers do. I pay for my stuff. In fact, I am not that heavy bencher at all as I concentrate more on maximum stable overclock for 24x7 use. I spent the money I plan to utilize it. (which I haven't been too much recently with new parts, tweaking, etc :P)
Could be gaming, could be compiling big fat codes, could be analyzing data.
Wish I could totally separate benching rig with daily rig but not possible for my budget as I do want really good stuff for my main rig as well :) Now, if I do get free stuff like some of you do, I guess it is not an issue or if I make more money than I do now :)
Most unfortunate of it all is, I enjoy playing game a lot and as you all know, most taxing application on entire system out of all application always happens to be gaming :) So, I must improvise and compromise in many ways. Wish I got some freebies too... or be beta tester for some products. Maybe I should start getting into habit of writing lengthy review of items.
Sounds fatal. Take a rest. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
:lol: :ROTF:
On MSI NF4 Neo4 mobo my VX is 3D proofed at 268MHz with timeings maxed out.
Gunna check for 166 divider issue now, see if there is one:D
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http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...chmentid=21347
nice
Just booted into windows at 284HTT 166 divider no problem. Gunna work my way to 300 I hope.
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This VX memory DOES NOT have a divider problem. It's all about the motherboard. Doing 290 now and going up:D
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Thank you for confirming my suspicions that the divider issue is, more than likely, chipset-related. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
MSI NEO4 and VX doing 300HTT with 166 divider, easy money people:D
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http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=21354&stc=1
interesting!Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
But would 300+ 2.5-3-3-5 be faster? 1:1
Some good G.Skill may even run 8 x 337.......... 1:1
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:banana4: Woot :banana4:Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Thanks for checking. Getting Asus today and we shall see if Asus has that issue... Still checking to see if it is booster or the actual memory (VX) that is causing me so many RMA with OCZ. Will let you know in few hours.
Those timing your talking about won't beat my 268 timings:DQuote:
Originally Posted by charlie
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/show...440#post643440
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