New Monsoon Modular Reservoir System

This is a new thread about the new Delrin Bay res by DD (you may have seen some of this already :D)

http://dangerden.smugmug.com/Reservo..._JDjoq-L-2.jpg

Gallery: Beater pictures posted by BoxGods: 'Beaters'

Shots of mounting hardware posted by DB:
http://a.imageshack.us/img831/6681/img1061c.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img801/9995/img1079w.jpg

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Originally Posted by BoxGods

8 screws - 4 per side - for the dual bay pumped versions. The issue is the depth of the pumps. If you add another 50-60 mm to catch the back row of screws that puts the pumps out into the component area and you risk them blocking the longer video cards that are popular now.

Even if you manage to clear everything it puts tubing in a congested area with not a lot of room for bends etc... and these are already a giant chunk of delrin--60 mm more in depth would price them out of reach.

Provided the case itself is not a cheap/wobbly unit 8 screws is/are plenty. I do agree the ones with only 2 screws per side are pushing it though.

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

Danger Den will have TONS of variations ;) The first batch will be just a few but there is an insane amount of stuff coming out. They are taking their time to make sure they get it right (and listening hence the choice of delrin).

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Renders posted by DB:

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Originally Posted by DarthBeavis

teaser:
Heard there have been some major changes and the coolest features are hidden (not seen in this rendering) will available in red, blue, black, and silver/gray, might get pictures of the first one in a few days. Danger Den is getting ready to roll some stuff out and has listened to feedback from the community.
http://a.imageshack.us/img707/5988/reservoirbodies.jpg

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My favorite pic: (nice logo, classy window)
http://dangerden.smugmug.com/Reservo..._JDjoq-L-2.jpg

Exact ETA is still currently unknown...

Uhm, You should prolly have waited for DD, Boxgods or DB to start this thread
If they had wanted a thread started, im sure they would have done so by now.

Looks nice as usual, great build quality. Picture showing filled res would be better though.

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Originally Posted by SkItZo

Uhm, You should prolly have waited for DD, Boxgods or DB to start this thread
If they had wanted a thread started, im sure they would have done so by now.

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Actually, this is probably a good idea since it separates the new DD line from the old Primochill thread. The old thread should probably be closed or left to die since I doubt we will ever hear anything new from Primochill about it.

I like the new mounting hardware idea.

To be honest, I've never really been a big DD fan but these reservoirs have changed my mind a bit.

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Originally Posted by Utnorris

Actually, this is probably a good idea since it separates the new DD line from the old Primochill thread. The old thread should probably be closed or left to die since I doubt we will ever hear anything new from Primochill about it.

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Agreed.

Well Tropical storm Hermine (SP?) has taught me a few important things.

Power lines, internet cable lines, and pump houses are some serious weak sauce against a few tons of falling tree.

The longest I can go without my PC and net access before withdrawal sets in is about 4 hours.

Laptops suck. Vista sucks. Vista on laptops sucks exponentially.

My wife needs a new chair here at the office...and a new PC...running anything but Vista.

The tree fortunately missed all the people and pets near and dear, thankfully.

Also, I am not ignoring anyone on questions about performance, just the testing has all been unofficial and in house at DD's shop. If I post those numbers then 3RD party reviewers get different results...I get grief.

I can say that the performance on the bay reservoir that we don't say the name of in here, in single loop was acceptable but not stellar, and I focused there. In single loop it was only on par with the stock D5--not the end of the world for a bay reservoir pump that is parallel loop enabled--and of course it excelled in parallel loop performance.

Jeremy from Danger Den hooked up a meter on a simple loop on a stock D5, then on the Monsoon in single loop and its flow rates were 10% to 25% better. So a respectable bump in performance that I am pleased with.

Again...those are unofficial numbers and very basic testing. Samples will go out to the liquid labs for official 3RD party numbers pretty soon.

I can't wait ! This is the best news since sliced bread.

This is exactly what I am been looking for. Bay res you can disassemble (To clean), and by the looks of it, integrated pumps.

Perfect, will be picking one (or two) up ASAP!

Should look very good with most cases unlike some other bay reservoirs.

I'm looking forward to this as well.

Would like to get this to replace my current reservoir (the product shall not be named), and give me some peace of mind instead of checking every few days to make sure that there are no leaks.

So BG, is the pump completely hidden? It looks like it goes in that "barrel" and a cap goes on, completely hiding it? If so, freaking awesome.

I like this design much much better. Does the mounting come in contact with water or is the rubber for vibration purposes? These things are perfect to get much of the watercooling items out of the way in smaller cases. Will be watching for some reviews on these items.

I for one, am not too concerned about flow numbers. I just want something that doesn't leak, or crack over time. And lets me put my computer case back together. I'd even buy one of the shop beater ones :)

Bring on a Dual D5 3 bay version

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Originally Posted by ScottALot

Should look very good with most cases unlike some other bay reservoirs.

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There will be several face plate styles, including a "Blank" for those wanting either an ultra clean install, or the mod guys who want to design their own window shape. So far the only finish choices are the brushed black and clear/silver annodized. I have tried to find a shop that can duplicate the powder coat black from the TJ07 style cases but no luck yet. There will also be blind bay covers for the rest of the bays in a case for those wanting the front of their PC to match, and if there is interest, a one piece bay cover that will cover all the bays on a case with a single clean cover and have the reservoir window on it. The issue is where the Monsoon reservoir actually mounts (tob, bottom...middle?) and how many bays. Could end up being a lot of sku's.

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Originally Posted by dingdong555

So BG, is the pump completely hidden? It looks like it goes in that "barrel" and a cap goes on, completely hiding it? If so, freaking awesome.

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There are thee pump mounting options. The economy, which is a short ring that leaves the pump exposed and is machined from Delrin and color matched. A machined aluminum shorty ring with knurled grip area that is anodized. The mount shown is the full conversion machined aluminum with cooling fins and a color matched delrin end cap--cool looking and it cools the pump.

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Originally Posted by Sadasius

I like this design much much better. Does the mounting come in contact with water or is the rubber for vibration purposes? These things are perfect to get much of the watercooling items out of the way in smaller cases. Will be watching for some reviews on these items.

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Took me a minute to figure out what you meant, but I *think* you mean do the mounting screws actually pierce the reservoir and the rubber pads seal the screws from leakage? No. The rear end of the reservoir where the mounting holes are is actually a beefy 1/2" to 3/4" (depending on the model) thick front to back and the M3 mounting screws have a LOT of threads to reduce the risk of stripping the screws...something like 8 or 10mm worth.

The rubber pads are to *dampen" vibrations and work very well. These run very quiet once the air is burped from your loop.

Another feature I worked very hard on is the lighting. There are four PCB mounted LED's in the top cavity that feed light cells or "light pipes" into the reservoir. Monsoon will ship with high quality UV LED's but replacement PCB's with red or blue LED's will be available at launch for those wanting to switch colors. The LED PCB also incorporates a pair of momentary switches (not those crappy push in and lock push in and release kind) and push rod buttons, the 2 tiny buttons you see on the face of the reservoir. That means users can turn the lights on and off or select high/low without a crappy wire harness to route/hide and no need to drill holes in your case somewhere and mount switches. The only wire off the reservoir is a 2 pin for the LED power and the power for the pump. Units sold with an included pump will combine these into a single molex, those using their own pump can also combine these to a single plug but it may require a molex pin remover.

The board also includes a nice little micro controller for those able to program in hex code, though I do not know what all is possible as just getting the buttons to work was more then I could handle lol.

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Originally Posted by SkItZo

Bring on a Dual D5 3 bay version

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As I mentioned, the design for a 3 bay Dual D5 us already done, it just comes down to a crowded launch schedule. There are six bay reservoirs, matching board blocks, at least one (likely two) matching high performance CPU blocks, and 3 or 4 stand alone pumps, both single and dual/parallel loop capable. I would imagine it will come down to whether they launch the 5 bay version or the 3 bay version of the Dual D5 first. The thinking is that there is a dual bay dual DDC for those wanting dual pumps in a small space, and the 5 bay dual D5 is for case modders wanting a killer big windowed (the 5 bay is known internally as overkill lol) foe waterfall type mods. I am a modder first and foremost so making parts modders can do their thing with is a motivator for me. That said, I am sure DD will be watching the forums to see which model (3 bay or 5 bay big window dual D5) is getting the most interest.

Just one thing to say BG,
HURRY UP WITH THESE RESERVOIRS!!!!!!:clap::clap::clap:
My 5th T3 replacement has just started leaking last night.
Well done, they look fantastic.

Box Gods, do you know the price range they are going to be selling in ? I want one anyways so I can replace my old T3's so I guess it make no difference right now what they sell for. I just want something I'm not looking for cracks daily on LOL

I can't wait...........

Quick question (noob here): For the dual loop res with the one D5, would the two loops have to have a similar amount of resistance?
I'm worried that say if one loop were more restrictive than the other, the more restrictive loop would have far less flow.

5 bay big window dual D5! I'll take one NOW as i'm gona be piecing my new setup together in a week or 2 and i'm gona need one as i have 3 Laing D4 pumps! :) Would'nt mind grabing another pump to snag 2 of these babies.. but i only have 1 3 drive bay in the new mountain mods case.. but i'll have plenty of space in that case to keep it out of the drive bay hehe.

I NEED one now for my Tri DD 480GTX blocks! hehe.

Glad i seen this thread as i was debating buying a couple new tube type res and new pumps.. but if i can get something that kick ass in a D4/D5 dual pump top/res combo, i'll hold off and wait for it!

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Originally Posted by Barso

Just one thing to say BG,
HURRY UP WITH THESE RESERVOIRS!!!!!!:clap::clap::clap:
My 5th T3 replacement has just started leaking last night.
Well done, they look fantastic.

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The design has gone gold, packaging is in the works...I think the only delay right now is actually how to offer the things up...I am advocating an ala carte system where all the individual components--main bodies, mounting rings, covers, plugs, face plate styles etc. are boxed individually and people just order the parts they want to suit their build and budget. I guess the issue there is all the SKU's and inventory for the resellers and maybe some buyer confusion.

Should be shipping shortly. The official word from DD is "2 to 4 weeks".

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Originally Posted by Moto450

Box Gods, do you know the price range they are going to be selling in ? I want one anyways so I can replace my old T3's so I guess it make no difference right now what they sell for. I just want something I'm not looking for cracks daily on LOL

I can't wait...........

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Sorry I do not have official pricing yet as the decision on packaging is not firm yet (see above). I can safely say that the whole enchilada with the full conversion motor mount, fancy face plate, black chrome plugs etc. will not be as "inexpensive" as the T3 was. The main body is precision machined from a solid chunk of Delrin, is annealed to exacting specifications (almost 10 HOURS in the "sauna" so all the stresses form machining are removed) and then the exterior is going to have a matte finish applied.

The higher end face plates will have machined beveled acrylic windows, polished and annealed, machined 1/4" thick billet style aluminum face plates, the fancy LED PCB for lights etc. etc. In other words, on the higher end load outs not cheap. Not crazy expensive either though, and for guys on a budget there will be economy versions of the face plate/window (1/4" acrylic sheet), simplified Delrin motor mounting ring, delrin plugs etc. Because the line is very modular, users who go the economy route now, or need different face plates or w/e for a later build etc. can upgrade or swap out looks.

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Originally Posted by Bli

Quick question (noob here): For the dual loop res with the one D5, would the two loops have to have a similar amount of resistance?
I'm worried that say if one loop were more restrictive than the other, the more restrictive loop would have far less flow.

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No worries, it is a little confusing wrapping your brain around parallel loops at first. I tell people to think of the reservoir portion as more of a manifold then a reservoir. Most manifolds act as a sort of load balancer, (thermal energy more so them flow rates). The individual loops on the Monsoon can be fine tuned somewhat because one loop intentionally has a little more flow then the other. I personally like to use the higher flow loop as my radiator loop. I might add one or two low restriction items to that loop if I have to like a chipset block. Because the reservoir is acting like a manifold, exchanging it's volume something like 16 times a minute, I can loop a CPU or GPU/s on the other loop that do not feed directly into the radiator/s in a step by step fashion. Other people like to stay in that stepped mode and have good results too.

Short answer, differential pressure in the different loops is not an issue, but rather something Monsoon will excel at.

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Originally Posted by eclypse

5 bay big window dual D5! I'll take one NOW as i'm gona be piecing my new setup together in a week or 2 and i'm gona need one as i have 3 Laing D4 pumps! :) Would'nt mind grabing another pump to snag 2 of these babies.. but i only have 1 3 drive bay in the new mountain mods case.. but i'll have plenty of space in that case to keep it out of the drive bay hehe.

I NEED one now for my Tri DD 480GTX blocks! hehe.

Glad i seen this thread as i was debating buying a couple new tube type res and new pumps.. but if i can get something that kick ass in a D4/D5 dual pump top/res combo, i'll hold off and wait for it!

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Holy crap lol. Have you seen DB's 17K Origin build yet? it even has an X Box 360 stuffed in there...takes a fork lift to move it around.

The 5 bay dual D5 will not launch in the first wave, so it is likely 6 to 8 weeks out. It sounds like your build might be a good one to promote Monsoon though so send me a PM and I will see if there is any way DD will OK an early release--never hurts to ask =)

It may be a few days till I can get back to you as power is still out here from Hermine and I am having a hard time staying connected on this lappy crap.

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Originally Posted by BoxGods

The design has gone gold, packaging is in the works...I think the only delay right now is actually how to offer the things up...I am advocating an ala carte system where all the individual components--main bodies, mounting rings, covers, plugs, face plate styles etc. are boxed individually and people just order the parts they want to suit their build and budget. I guess the issue there is all the SKU's and inventory for the resellers and maybe some buyer confusion.

Should be shipping shortly. The official word from DD is "2 to 4 weeks".



Sorry I do not have official pricing yet as the decision on packaging is not firm yet (see above). I can safely say that the whole enchilada with the full conversion motor mount, fancy face plate, black chrome plugs etc. will not be as "inexpensive" as the T3 was. The main body is precision machined from a solid chunk of Delrin, is annealed to exacting specifications (almost 10 HOURS in the "sauna" so all the stresses form machining are removed) and then the exterior is going to have a matte finish applied.

The higher end face plates will have machined beveled acrylic windows, polished and annealed, machined 1/4" thick billet style aluminum face plates, the fancy LED PCB for lights etc. etc. In other words, on the higher end load outs not cheap. Not crazy expensive either though, and for guys on a budget there will be economy versions of the face plate/window (1/4" acrylic sheet), simplified Delrin motor mounting ring, delrin plugs etc. Because the line is very modular, users who go the economy route now, or need different face plates or w/e for a later build etc. can upgrade or swap out looks.




No worries, it is a little confusing wrapping your brain around parallel loops at first. I tell people to think of the reservoir portion as more of a manifold then a reservoir. Most manifolds act as a sort of load balancer, (thermal energy more so them flow rates). The individual loops on the Monsoon can be fine tuned somewhat because one loop intentionally has a little more flow then the other. I personally like to use the higher flow loop as my radiator loop. I might add one or two low restriction items to that loop if I have to like a chipset block. Because the reservoir is acting like a manifold, exchanging it's volume something like 16 times a minute, I can loop a CPU or GPU/s on the other loop that do not feed directly into the radiator/s in a step by step fashion. Other people like to stay in that stepped mode and have good results too.

Short answer, differential pressure in the different loops is not an issue, but rather something Monsoon will excel at.



Holy crap lol. Have you seen DB's 17K Origin build yet? it even has an X Box 360 stuffed in there...takes a fork lift to move it around.

The 5 bay dual D5 will not launch in the first wave, so it is likely 6 to 8 weeks out. It sounds like your build might be a good one to promote Monsoon though so send me a PM and I will see if there is any way DD will OK an early release--never hurts to ask =)

It may be a few days till I can get back to you as power is still out here from Hermine and I am having a hard time staying connected on this lappy crap.

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Have not seen that build! hehe.. But i'll be glad to take a look.

Cool, sent you that PM!

That's a LOT of acetal/Delrin goodness...:)

Thankfully with DD and Delrin, we won't be looking at another Primochill disaster. Interesting ideas.

Gahhh I promised myself I wouldn't try any new critical components till 6 months after release. But your temping me to change my build lol and i just bought components lol

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