Intel LGA 2011 roadmap : Affordable SNB-E and no LGA 1356

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Originally Posted by Movieman

I know, I know, BUT when your 80+ year old Mother wants a better system than the AMD 940( nice system) she had you get her the most powerfull system you can and damn the price!
Oh yea, it's in a GB UD7 board too..:rofl:

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I agree for gamers but notice I said " for pure power"
In WCG my 2600K at 4634MHz does app 41,000PPD
My 80 year old Mothers 990x at 4154MHz does almost 49,000PPD..

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You could have bought her 2 sandy bridge rigs for 82,000ppd. :yepp:

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Originally Posted by Movieman

I would take exception to that statement.
As nice as the 2600K SB is for pure power it can't touch a 980x or 990x in a decent X58 board.
The SB is an excellent mid priced system but it's a quad and can't match the hex's..:p:
BUT bang for the buck the SB is the winner by far..:D

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pure power? thats a new term for WCG is it? ;)
so yeah, for 1% of the market a 980/990 IS faster than a 2600k... :P

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Originally Posted by -=DVS=-

But you pay 3x times more for CPU alone just to get ~19.5% more :p:

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and what about power consumption? :D

oh and that roadmap is cracking me up everytime i see it :rofl::ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Olivon

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/910e6bf...d0376163e7.jpg

As you can see, not only on Extreme segment but also P1 and P2.
No word about LGA 1356 though ...

Thanks to Marc from Hardware.fr ;)

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man that roadmap is hilarious...
980 and 880 ABOVE 2600K... and 990 is 2 whooping levels above the 2600k... which is at the same level as a 960... :confused2 say what? :D

excellent positioning there intel...
whats next? intel atom XE for 30$ positioned as a smartphone/tablet chip faster than a 2500K? :lol:

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Originally Posted by saaya

man that roadmap is hilarious...
980 and 880 ABOVE 2600K... and 990 is 2 whooping levels above the 2600k... which is at the same level as a 960... :confused2 say what? :D

excellent positioning there intel...
whats next? intel atom XE for 30$ positioned as a smartphone/tablet chip faster than a 2500K? :lol:

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It's not faster, it's arranged by price range. The 880 is still being sold by Intel and they've not placed a socket 1155 chip in that price range. The 960 is in the same price range as the 2600k and the 980x is in the extreme bracket price range.

Intel to bundle Liquid Cooling with Retail Sandy Bridge-E Processors ? - BSN*

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Intel to bundle Liquid Cooling with Retail Sandy Bridge-E Processors ? - BSN*

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I sure hope not. Don't add anything to the cost please...

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Originally Posted by tool_462

I sure hope not. Don't add anything to the cost please...

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Well if they want to sell the CPU's in several packages...

1st in a Hambag
2nd with the sad&tiny Sandy Bridge CPU cooler
3rd the so called Extreme Edition Tower Cooler
4th the Kelpie Intel Edition

That could be considered interesting

But if they only want to make the Dolphin edition then is a bad marketing move. However I don't belive Intel will be this daft.

http://pic.xfastest.com/sxs112/any/1.png

Thanks for posting the detailed roadmap sxs112!
Now that we have core count and clockspeed,we can see in the end intel was limited by TDP on 32nm. They are not realising 8 core version since the clockspeed would probably go down so much that it would effectively be slower than 6 core variant due to nature of workloads on desktop. Desktop workloads are not as parallel as server ones so ie. 8 core 2.5-2.8Ghz part would end up being slower than 3.3-3.6Ghz six core part. Also since intel upped the L3 cache on SB-E it probably affected the end TDPs somewhat.
In the end,these parts should be faster than 990x by similar margin the 2600K is faster than i7-975. It will probably be the fastest chip on the market,even after Zambezi launches.I expect that Zambezi will somewhat close the performance gap and that both chips will do great in certain workloads.

Now that's strange... two 6-core models with different L3 cache size?

And that 15MB L3 for the Extreme class doesn't cut it right, unless SNB-E now spots 2.5MB L3 per core?!

Remember the L3 cache is in a single block and each core can access as much of it as it needs until they run out of space. So Intel can put in as much cache as is viable without dividing it into neat blocks.

But saying that 15MB is a strange number, I imagine 1MB is disabled for yields.

Thanks sxs112 :up:

First post updated.

What limited unlocked means ?

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Originally Posted by informal

Thanks for posting the detailed roadmap sxs112!
Now that we have core count and clockspeed,we can see in the end intel was limited by TDP on 32nm. They are not realising 8 core version since the clockspeed would probably go down so much that it would effectively be slower than 6 core variant due to nature of workloads on desktop. Desktop workloads are not as parallel as server ones so ie. 8 core 2.5-2.8Ghz part would end up being slower than 3.3-3.6Ghz six core part. Also since intel upped the L3 cache on SB-E it probably affected the end TDPs somewhat.
In the end,these parts should be faster than 990x by similar margin the 2600K is faster than i7-975. It will probably be the fastest chip on the market,even after Zambezi launches.I expect that Zambezi will somewhat close the performance gap and that both chips will do great in certain workloads.

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Six Panther Point Chip(Z77 Z75 H77 Q77 Q75 B75):D

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Thanks sxs112 :up:

First post updated.

What limited unlocked means ?

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Originally Posted by informal

Thanks for posting the detailed roadmap sxs112!
Now that we have core count and clockspeed,we can see in the end intel was limited by TDP on 32nm. They are not realising 8 core version since the clockspeed would probably go down so much that it would effectively be slower than 6 core variant due to nature of workloads on desktop. Desktop workloads are not as parallel as server ones so ie. 8 core 2.5-2.8Ghz part would end up being slower than 3.3-3.6Ghz six core part. Also since intel upped the L3 cache on SB-E it probably affected the end TDPs somewhat.
In the end,these parts should be faster than 990x by similar margin the 2600K is faster than i7-975. It will probably be the fastest chip on the market,even after Zambezi launches.I expect that Zambezi will somewhat close the performance gap and that both chips will do great in certain workloads.

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if they got westmere-EX with 10 cores (30mb l3) to run at 2.4ghz, a ~3ghz SB-EP (20mb l3) with 8 cores wouldnt be impossible (we'll have to wait and see the LGA2011 xeon clockspeeds)... maybe the higher clocked 6C version is enough to maintain the performance crown on desktops (fitting their nature of worloads better, as you said) and well... they want higher margins (smaller die size).

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Originally Posted by Olivon

Thanks sxs112 :up:

First post updated.

What limited unlocked means ?

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I'm guessing it'll be like the current i7 900's where the bus is unlocked and the multiplier is locked, or some variation of the theme. While all the six cores will have unlocked Multi and bus clocks. There had to be something to make a buy push up to the more expensive chip, I hope that's all the difference because if I find out some have PCI-E 3.0 and others have 2.0 I'll be seriously pissed.

Any price range guesstimates for:

XE -
P2 -
P1 -
MS2 -

...and how many processor variants per the above ie; P1 - i7920, 930, 950, 960

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Originally Posted by Movieman

I agree for gamers but notice I said " for pure power"
In WCG my 2600K at 4634MHz does app 41,000PPD
My 80 year old Mothers 990x at 4154MHz does almost 49,000PPD..

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Lucky 80 year old mother, why does she need that much pure power?

Reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GR5_X1CfUA

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Uhm, guys, when i look at this updated roadmap one thing stands up.
You have a XE chips with 15M cache ,~1000$ probably
Then you have still unlocked but 12Mb chips ~500-800$ probably
And 4C chips below that.So no 6C chips below 500$.
I estimate prices on the way Intel puts on there chips sold ATM.
That essentially means a price hike (again) on the high end chips.No 920/930 like love for us.
Well back to looking at BD then i guess...

When looking at those latest roadmaps it makes me think Intel wants to lower the relative performance of the 1155 platform.
Not surprising tho, consumers love the 2600K, but I'm not sure Intel feels the same way when they have lots of SKU's priced higher but performs worse.

For most people, a 2500k or an I5 750 are completely fine instead of a 2600k or I7 920, but for some reason a lot of people still want to pick the latter, even though HT doesnt do anything for them.

Its also funny how the 2500k and 2600k can perform better than the I7 970, and for the same price you can get both the CPU and Mobo :(

But intel still keep X58 CPUs priced really high, even when the sandybridge CPUs are outperforming them.

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Originally Posted by XRL8

Uhm, guys, when i look at this updated roadmap one thing stands up.
You have a XE chips with 15M cache ,~1000$ probably
Then you have still unlocked but 12Mb chips ~500-800$ probably
And 4C chips below that.So no 6C chips below 500$.
I estimate prices on the way Intel puts on there chips sold ATM.
That essentially means a price hike (again) on the high end chips.No 920/930 like love for us.
Well back to looking at BD then i guess...

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Actually I think the quads will cost about the same as a 2600k, however the motherboards won't be cheap, even basic ones will be accommodating quad channel ram and will have to meet high tolerances.

I will admit, I was hoping for 6C chips to be the base model and 8C chips to be high end, it looks like that won't happen unless Bulldozer is very strong.

@Bhavv: Intel do this to maintain a price level to chips so there will be no shock when they announce SB-E prices, Socket 1366 chips are in a price bracket until they are replaced, not surpassed.

nice update, thx man.

Disappointed if true. I was hoping for <=500$ 8 core Sandy Bridge E, like initial leaks were suggesting. With such roadmap it would make no sense to upgrade from 6 core Westmere - I mean updating whole platform to get what? 20% performance tops ? I don't think we will see more performance gap with same core count. Maybe in some very limited scenarios. Lets wait and see what Bulldozer will bring to the table. If it won't put pressure on new SB E, then I guess no upgrade this year for me :(
Yeah I know I could just get some 2600k and be done with it, but I really wanted a bit more future-proof platform with PCIE-3, USB 3 and lots of SATA 6 Gbps ports(thats only confirmed feature of new mobos).

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Lucky 80 year old mother, why does she need that much pure power?

Reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GR5_X1CfUA

:p:

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Cute one and she wanted a more powerfull machine for WCG

Was holding out and hoping for around $350-400 6core chip. Time to get a 2500/2600k now. Microcenter + Z68 combo = win