Can anyone who has seen or rated the Primochill Tyhoon III Reservoir system with D5 pump give any advice?
It looks great but as you know, advertisments can be deceiving.
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Can anyone who has seen or rated the Primochill Tyhoon III Reservoir system with D5 pump give any advice?
It looks great but as you know, advertisments can be deceiving.
Testing results will probably be out soon . . . .let's just say two loops and you will not be sorry. Can't say more but T3 uber alles and nothing will come close at the moment
I am racing to finish the test results, the dual loop configuration involves quite a bit of testing so its taking a bit longer than I expected.
DB has it dead on, the dual loop configuration of the T3 takes the efficiency curve of the D5 and exploits the crap out of it. When I started testing the dual loop, I had a hard time rationalizing the data. So I ran back upstairs and had Vapor be my second set of eyes to verify the early data. The single loop performance is on par with the Koolance COV-PMP450A, but the dual loop takes the Typhoon III into a different category, there is just nothing to compare it to head-to-head due to the unique design and configuration options.
Thanks, that sounds great.
I think I will go ahead and make my purchase.
Geno has more stuff up his sleeve . . . .oh, you guys have NO idea.
If it is two loops sharing the same res, doesn't that mean they share the same fluid and the system will equalize temperature wise, the same as if it was one single loop? Doesn't this fly in the face of 2 seperate loops being better than a single loop? And how is this any different than the XSPC other than the D5 vs. the MCP355? One more thing, looking at the pictures, it appears that the fill/drain port is on the face of the res, is it possible to fill it with it installed in the 5 /14" bay without tipping your system back?
I wouldn't mind having one of these, but those are my concerns, so any insight would be appreciated.
Waiting is not fun....
Two loops are better because each component gets fresh coolant from the radiator. Two loops with a T3 means the same thing but better flow. Way better. None of the other options can touch it. None.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
i cant wait for the Dual DDC version to come out :)
Ok, so you are saying this is better than having two seperate loops? How does that work?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
How much does one D5 cost? That is how much better it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
you guys using mcp655-b ?? if not will it fit in a T3?
I got mine for two reasons.
1. It provides a really neat place to mount my pump. My pump won't be all that easy to see. When I get it finished I think I'll have a clean set up.
2. I'll only have to add a radiator and block to cool my video card.
The Typhoon III is an expensive reservoir. Initial investment, that is. I'll save, in the long run, when I expand.
I saw another reservoir that can hold two D5s but it looks like they go on the bottom. That would take up another bay. (at least)
I do have a question about it though. It comes with 4 acrylic(?) washers. Do they go between the pump hold-down plate and the res body?
The only thing I would like better about it. I wish it had a top fill port that matched my HAFs fill port. I've managed to get it to be the top componant in my loop.
Very interesting can't wait to see some numbers
Ok, so it costs less, you stated better, how is it better than two seperate loops from a COOLING standpoint?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Fillports front and center is putting me off somewhat. I imagine you would have to tilt your case back 90deg to fill and bleed. That said it does look handy and sounds like it has performance to match. Where can I buy one? Seems like it's only available on Primochill's site.
DB can you qualify this please: Nothing will come close at the moment meaning...better than two isolated loops with DDC? Two isolated loops with D5? Two loops with 1 DDC? Two loops with 1 D5? Dual DDC2...? Dual Iwakis.....?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Thanks.
A little patience it seems:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kibbler
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Originally Posted by skinnee
I got mine at Moddersmart which I believe is the same company as Primochill.
Tilting the case is the only way I see to fill/bleed mine.
Two separate loops with two D5s will be close from my understanding. I am talking about D5s and the increased performance of a SINGLE D5 with this reservoir compared to ANY D5 top out now when the T3 is used in dual loop configuration. When you see the numbers you will see my point. This is an amazing break though.
Can't wait to see those reviews!
I'm happy with mine :)
only 1 slight thing I don't like about it is the bonding between the 2 halves. And I wish it was tinted gray or something to match my black case.
Thanks for the clarification, very promising.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
If I had to guess, he is referring to the fact that the D5 shines in high flow applications... two parallel loops take further advantage of this, parallel making half the flow resistance + a well designed volute = uber flow through both loops and each loop has 1/2 the heat dump they would usually have but with nearly the same flow.
No, I just meant to say it makes a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:in sound. And if you add gogo juice it glows real purdylikeQuote:
Originally Posted by iandh
It has to do with the efficiency curve of the D5 pump. It's most efficient between 2 and 3.5GPM...in fact, over that range, it's 50+% more efficient than it is at 1GPM. At face value that doesn't mean much, but it's the underlying key to why the Typhoon III ends up being such a step forward in design :)
What does that mean for the end user? Well, let's take a sample loop and play with it :)
Sample loop: a D5, two MCR320s, an HK3.0, and two MCW-60s. With this loop in serial, you get roughly 1.4GPM (at 4.1PSI of pressure drop)....which is good, but maybe a little lower than you want. Because the D5 is only running at 1.4GPM, it's efficiency is under 14%. The overall pumping power the water is being subjected to is 2.5W.
Add in the Typhoon III and you can arrange your loop (by default) in a parallel config....you split the restriction up evenly: an MCR320 and the HK in one portion, and an MCR320 and the two MCW60s in the other. Now you have a few things going on (mathematically) that I may not be describing 100% clearly or accurately, but hopefully I'll get the gist of it across.
1) When you go in parallel, the flowrate through the pump is the sum of the two subloops.
2) When you go in parallel, roughly the average of the pressure drops of the subloops is the pressure drop across the entire loop (or across the pump, depends how you look at it). This means that at any given pumping power, flow increases.
3) Because restriction is down overall (by a lot), flowrate increases. When flowrate increases to the 2.0 to 3.5GPM range (from the <1.5GPM range), efficiency increases noticeably...so you actually have more pumping power at work.
You throw all three of those into an equilibrium (such is fluid dynamics....the three variables have a lot of dependence and codependence) and you actually end up getting higher flowrates in each subloop than you would in one big loop! Back of the napkin math says roughly 1.5GPM through both loops :)
Loops that are naturally more restrictive (say 1.2GPM or lower in serial) benefit even more!
A 'fun' loop to demo this on could actually be something like the HK 3.0 + a pair of GTX rads + a pair of GPU blocks + a motherboard block. Whereas you'd get maybe 1GPM when arranged all in serial....you can put the HK in its own subloop (it's the only thing that cares about flow) and you'll end up getting really high flowrates through the HK and still get moderate flowrates through the everything-else loop.
Because of the nature of what we do (how everything we do tends toward an equilibrium), you'll see no thermal issues from even the wackiest of the loop divisions....if you want a semi-restrictive CPU block on its own subloop and want to put your radiators and GPU/board blocks into the other subloop, you'll get the same water delta performance, but you'll get higher flow where it matters (at the CPU block).
Where this won't work as well is with a VERY restrictive CPU block and a lack of other components in the loop. You have a good chance of actually lowering the flowrate through the block (where it matters most).
Cliffnotes version: running in parallel allows for a reduced pressure drop of the loop overall, because of the nature of the D5, this reduced pressure drop allows the pump to have increased flowrate through the pump. That increase in flowrate actually allows the pump to run more efficiently, leading to the pump actually being more "powerful" (from the liquid's perspective) and increases flowrates in equilibrium even further. The net result is that a well planned and balanced set of subloops will actually allow you to have HIGHER flowrates through each subloop (or a specific subloop) than you would if you arranged it in one serial loop.
Because the efficiency curve of a DDC peaks at lower GPM (and is narrower), I don't see this working with a DDC as effectively. Also note that this parallelization won't be effective on all loops, but there are certainly cases where it'd work well :)