I just started playing with my new OCZ VX memory, looks great so far.
This stuff is the memory to replace BH-5,, finnally:D
Made for Overclockers by Overclockers!!
Great job OCZ!! :toast:
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=20964&stc=1
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I just started playing with my new OCZ VX memory, looks great so far.
This stuff is the memory to replace BH-5,, finnally:D
Made for Overclockers by Overclockers!!
Great job OCZ!! :toast:
OPP
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=20964&stc=1
Very nice oc.. should have posted this in the official vx results thread though
what voltage was that ? and is it memtest #5 stable?
I'm makeing a stand alone statement here:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Orker
OPP
glad you like it, OPP ;)
i'll be testing one of those kits very soon, maybe this weekend...
hopefully it's really capable and extends BH-5 as i haven't seen ABSOLUTELY stable e.g. 260x10 6-2-2-2.0 1T from any 2x512MB of BH-5 in Dual Channel and AMD platform (NF2 or NF3).
Its very good ram isnt it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Best ram ive ever owned
btw can you please answer my questions from before
"Best Memory made since BH5"
so still not as good as BH5 :D
arctan.. the antagonist... lol... I would say that opp endorsing it would increase sales, but the stuff is flying off the shelves so fast i bet ocz's heads are spinning..
i havent seen it scale high like bh5 does tho :(
if it gets 270 2-2-2-5 3d benchable ill jump for it
OPP, what voltage are you using for those VX ?
very nice for 1 GB... :)
What board and voltage please?
Second that. Board and voltage :)
Would like to test those OCZ :slobber:
Great results Opp.
Didn't OCZ buy the rights of winbond to make BH-4? That's what these chips are aren't they?
OCZ is not telling what these chips are, but i don't think these are BH-4, because they aren't as good as BH-5Quote:
Originally Posted by _Eduard_
Respect!Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
i still havent seen them in aust :(
why is everyone saying these aren't as good as BH-5 ?
It seems like every pair of these are smacking 250 MHz 2-2-2, with a 2x512MB kit no prob.
BH-5 never consistently did that. Espescially with 2x512MB.
Well, I think the 2*512mb pairs of OCZ VX might be better overclockable then the BH-5 pairs of 2*512mb
The difference between OCZ VX and BH-5 is more in the fact that some 256mb BH-5 sticks have done 300mhz 2-2-2-5 and there is no way OCZ VX can beat that.
Maybe the OCZ will clock a bit higher with the new ATI chipset, how knows what will happen?
I'm thinking of buying a 2*512mb pair of OCZ VX for my new system but I'm not really sure if that would help allot sind I allready have some Corsair XMS PRO PC4000 that can do 260mhz at 2.5-3-3-7
Well if my new system wil be an FX-53 or FX-55 I think I might just by a pair of OCZ VX but if my new system is going to be a Pentium-M Dothan I'll stick with my XMS.
The problem these days is if you don't use 1gig and only have 512Mb like BH-5 in most cases, you lose out on performance. The 1gig gives you 2-way interleave, 2 gigs will give you 4-way interleave. This is on S939 motherboards anyway.
So haveing 1 gig or higher is in if you can use aggressive timings,, so now you have VX:D
OPP
Any Overclocker should:DQuote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
I only played with the stuff for an hour, I think we'll see guys running 3D into the 270s on this mem. I'm sure this will be the next memory we'll see top 3D2001 users useing.
OPP
I can get them for 245 Dollar without shipping, do you guys think thats cheap?
Or do you guys know a store wich sells them for less?
I've never run mem test in my life, no need. If my mem can run 2001 lobby tests I'm a happy camper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orker
As far as voltage, 3.65V idle, Sandra bench drops it to about 3.45V, 2001 lobby tests drop it around 3.52V.
OPP
My next scores should do that,,, if I ever get my new PCI-E mobos and a Graphics Card:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Steven
OPP
Thats nothing but good news! :banana4: Its great being able to score massivley in 3dmark with just 512Mb or less but we all know that most current games run pretty bad with anything less than a gig of ram regardless of clock speeds etc. It's good to know that the gap between overclocked gaming rigs and purely overclocking systems is being closed finally. Mind you I bet it's not long before 1 gig isnt enough to game with either :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
Are you sick again or something?
-Opp never ran MEMTEST before? Thats a shock..
Does anybody have an explanation, why BH-5's in 2x256 config can run up to 300 fsb with enough volts while in 2x512 config they lose out to the VX?Quote:
Originally Posted by LilGator
Thats a good point. I hope they don't discontinue this stuff. Gunna have to get the inside scoop on that, may have to stock up if nessasary.Quote:
Originally Posted by pc ice
OPP
Singlesided vs. Doublesided! (afaik that is the problem)
If they run with 260 2.0-2-2-5 1T i will get a pair of these, tahts nice for
gaming and when i bench i will stick in my BH5s! :)
I hear ya. 260 is my goal too. 260 X 10 would be sick with all timings tightened via A64 tweaker. Would be a HUGE jump over my current Mobile XP system.
Not bad at all opp.
do you think it is possible for OCZ to run a product like this long term?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I have no Idea. Maybe they will stop by and comment on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Playful_Buffalo
OPP
Sweet stuff. OCZ has made some nice products the last few months... the Plat R2 (tccd), the VX and one of the most understated is the DDR2 that runs like 300 at 3-2-2-x
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I plan on buying a few more kits as well. ;) And I'm glad to see that you're enjoying your new memory.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
:toast:
ocz said in the VX release thread that the product woulnt be discontinue like the EB
ok, let's say, someone doesn't care on tight timings, what they can do with 2.5-3-3-10-1T-timings for example?
this ram doesnt do any better with loose timings over tight ones.... so u might as well run tight onesQuote:
Originally Posted by p4z1f1st
blinky's right. I tried to loosen things up a bit and all I get are errors, regardless of the frequency I'm running them at. VX was made for 2-2-2 timings on the A64 platform.
The reason that any ram OC's higher in 256 x 2 over 512 x 2 is that there are fewer banks to address.
It also the same reason a single unit (usualy) ocs faster that 2 , the fewer banks the less stress on the memory controller. I posted a detailed explionation of this a year ago lol .
:p
I checked the price on VX, frankly I was expecting an outrageous price (like that killer DDR2 3-2-2 stuff @ $440) but was a bit surprised to see it at about $250....
GJ, OCZ!
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Where can I get some?????? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by charlie
Wow, they are that cheap? That changes everything. OCZ's flavor of the month is usually more.
After the thousands of posts and numerous threads on the VX, it puzzles me that you wouldn't know where to purchase a set. Fry's Electronics has 'em. mWave has them as well. And the list goes on...Quote:
Originally Posted by hollywood
Anyone know about what the crossover point is where performance of 2.5-3-3-7 with say tccd chips would equal VX at 2-2-2-7? So in other words, how high an htt would 2.5-3-3-7 ram have to run to equal 250 or 260htt at 2-2-2-7 if cpu speed and all else was equal? This assumes the paltform is A64.
Ryan, I think you missed the point or I didn't explain it properly which seems a more probable reason every time I reread my post :D. Actually, the essential question behind it all I asked was, why 2x512MB of VX oc's higher than BH-5 at tight timings. Is the simple answer that the chips used on VX are superior over BH-5? If yes, does that imply that if OCZ made a 2x256 MB kit of VX, that one would scream up to 300mhz DDR speeds much more easily than 2x256 BH-5 did provided that the memory controllers and mobos would be able to keep up with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanpgroovy
If the difference between 2x256 and 2x512 of VX is the same as 2x256 and 2x512 of BH-5/6, then that would be awesome. Somehow, I don't think that will be the case.
gotcha
Does that "gotcha" mean 2x256 VX would rock? If so, is there any chance OCZ would release the VX line in 256MB modules?
oh I was responding to lobber ,
256mb VX are bound to overclock much better than 512mb VX , and I have no clue if/when we plan to start making them .
Posted these elsewhere but guys are asking "will these do 270 2-2-2 3D", "Why don't these scale much past 260 2-2-2 like BH did", "what's the fuss bout, these are no better than BH"....
OPP, hope ya dont mind me posting a few screenies here to answer those questions ;)
My highest screeny with ~3.35vDimm 1x512 VX
My highest SuperPI 32MB with ~3.35vDimm 2x512mb VX
My highest 3Dmark01 with ~3.35v 1x512mb VX
I have a feeling all our VX modules will run a fair bit higher once AMD release CPUs with better memory controllers too :D
I have a feeling you are correct m8, a LOT has to do with the memory controller ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
I gotta get me some :o that is just too sweet!
So 4-way interleave doesn't work on 512/1024 MB ?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Man, there's always something new about A64/Mobos.
Did you guys at OCZ perform some testing on Intel platforms? I can't find anybody with a P4 who tried this mem and I don't understand why. Did I miss something?
Also how does the VX compare to the EBs at the same timings? I.e. both at DDR500 at 3-2-2-5. Would the "Enhanced Bandwidth" make a difference?
In the end, I have to go to Fry's tonight and I want to know if with my rig it's worth to give the VX a try.
Thanks!
Intels do not benefit that much from the tight timings, TCCD gives better results. There's really no point in using 260Mhz 2-2-2 when 300Mhz+ 3-4-4 is faster and usually needs under 3.0V to run.
It's mostly made for A64 systems. Those with Intels don't seem to get as good results, it performs like any other ram from what I've seen on Intel.
Would it be faster on an A64 to run memory at 300Mhz at 2.5-4-4-8 (or sometimes 3-3-7) or to run these VX on a divider? I'm contemplating on switching from my TCCDs.... but I know for sure these can't hit 300 HTT 1:1... and I only have an Athlon64 3000+ with the 9 multi.
Quick tests, 100% stable:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/rnm/discipline/3200VX/
I would agree with you if I had a cpu that could run at 300Mhz FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micutzu
Yeah the price ain't to bad on em, cheaper than the 3200EB TCCD or whatever it is, well here in the UK anyways.
Sold my Corsair C2PT 2x512mb for 110quid, got these for 190quid, so not to bad there. Big upgrade.
Gotta get a booster though. :mad:
I hit 250fsb 2-2-2-5 on the 875P-T at 3.2Vdimm dual channel, wxchaser hit 260+ on a p4c800 so they can clock well on these rigs also.
For some reason I'm not getting more than 235 stable 3D 2-2-2-5 DC 1T :(
Did this @ 3,5V. Went up to 3,75V and no gains...
MSI K8n Neo2 FX55 bios 1.36b
Could it be MOBO Bios or just bad luck on this pair????? :(
And for some reason cannot change CAS in A64 Tweaker. Have to boot with cas 2 from bios...
intels run well at 2.5-2-2 but not at 2-2-2
Just did a 3d2001 comparison of my Mushkin BH5 512Mb and my VX 1Gig
ATI 9800 Pro, at stock clocks
MSI Neo2 and 4000+ at 10x260 2600MHz
Memory at 260Mhz 2-2-5 Cas2 A64 tweaked out the same
Windows XP SP2
You'll see the 1Gig of VX utilizing the 2-way Interleave beating out the 512Mb of BH5 and No-way Interleave:D
I believe that if this CPU was doing say 13x260 at 3380MHz this difference in the score between the 2 memories would be much larger.
OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=21012&stc=1
interesting info you got there opp.the difference is inperceptible to our senses, but its still there.. going for that last extra fps the vx do help out
OPP, do you know if the Interleave benefits are also seen on Socket 754 or only the DC AMD64s?
VX wins!! *ding ding ding*
Sorry, I don't remember seeing it, but then again I don't think I ever used a Gig on 754. May or may not be there:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rabbi_NZ
Looks like you have a gig on a 754, do a Sandra mem bench and see if it says it's there.
OPP
OK what exactly is the 'interleave' referring to? 1T/2T?
Nothing to do with 1T. Heres somthing I found on the net, old school.
OPP
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The chipset can interleave requests to different DRAM banks and gain a massive performance boost from it (relatively speaking). Without interleave, a typical session would be:
Latencies while refreshing DRAM
Send address to bank w
Receive data from bank w
Latencies while refreshing DRAM
Send address to bank x
Receive data from bank x
Latencies while refreshing DRAM
Send address to bank y
Receive data from bank y
Latencies while refreshing DRAM
Send address to bank z
Receive data from bank z
This makes extremely poor use of the bus, since we can refresh the DRAM simply by reading or writing to it.If we have some interleaving going on, we make far better use of the bus.
Latencies while refreshing DRAM
Send address to bank w
Send address to bank x, receive data from bank w
Send address to bank y, receive data from bank x
Send address to bank z, receive data from bank y
Receive data from bank z
All four banks can be accessed in turn, without having to refresh the RAM and wait the killer CAS. This is four-way interleave. Two-way interleave is only two banks at a time.
The only time you will be unable to set 4-way is if you're using a very small amount of RAM. Every DIMM has at least two banks, but 64MB and smaller DIMMs have only two. All larger DIMMs have four. However, if you use two two-bank DIMMs, you have a total of four banks and can use 4-way. Always set this setting, then, to 4-way and don't expect any problems from it. Bank interleaving was not covered in the RAM guide, so I've gone into a bit more detail here.
This is single channel DDR400 2-3-3-7 MSI K8N Neo with a 3200+ CH 4-way interleaving
http://www.thecrucible.ca/~dogman/sanmem.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by conrad.maranan
Thank you Conrad. We don't have Fry's on the East Coast and thats the only place I saw people talking about.
oop's hit edit..my bad ment to quote.
Sorry Opp, I don't understand. Can't I enable 2 or 4-way interleave 2*256 BH-5 with? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
I'm curious here, is it the reason why these RAM are so good is because you can pump some serious voltages into them? How does it overclock if you use <3.0 v? Like maybe 2.8v?
skt 939 as well.
Anybody got some info on how the VX is doining on nF2 boards,i can try it but i got only 1x512mb of VX,wont there be a big differens in running sc on nF2,or is it better to run dc on it.
O hell i'll try it anyway:D.
On nforce2 dual channel with 2x512 sticks won't get you anywhere with 1t anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocKer
I am running them on my DFI LPB NF2. Stay away. With 3.3v I can't get a lick over 243 stable. Windows anything over 200mhz causes very weird behaviour. It isn't the sticks it's the weak chipset. My BH-6 is doing much better on this board than the VX. I hope with more volts and a better A64 board I can do higher than I am now.
Ok thks for reply on nF2;
On s754(rig in sig) with VX i get a lot of blue sreens with"0x000000D1 NVATABUS.sys" i have been looking at MS site for info on that but can't find it,dos enybody know what this is about.
I think its got to do with my Maxtor HD 120gb 8mb,but am not sure,don't have an other hd to try out if its any better,only one i have is an old Samsung 4gb,can i try it with this 4gb hd or is it better not.
http://home.arcor.de/twinmos.support/WB_UTT.JPG
new winbond chips (can be found on TwinMOS/M.tec - cheapest TwinMOS DDR400 module!) fired with 3,5V - so i believe thats what is under the VX also....
Alonso,
Where did you get this????
And, what's the part no. please?
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/show...50#post1360650
here u find a bad quality pic (the 2 ones down) - these are on sale in germany and already should be in distribution channels...
but not sure if all M.tec use same IC...
I can't connect. :/
Server is busy I guess????
works fine here...
So which one is better, TCCD or VX? i can't decide.
if u have enough vdimm i´d go with the vx (or any other module using new winbond ic ;) )
Alonso,
Now it works. Looks good. Thanks for the heads up. :)
So winbond has brand new ic's? Are u sure?
Someone quick, grab that cat! :p:
get it, cats outta the bag. Ok bad joke...
Infineon bought Winbond and these ICs are produced at the oldQuote:
Originally Posted by georgesod
winbond-factory for Infineon! So the ICs are Infineons. labeld as M.Tec <<-- Afaik!
Maybe some new original Infineon sticks have the same ICs on it?
NVATABUS is the IDE driver from the Nvidia Nforce package. MS won't have anything on that cause the file in question isn't a direct part of windows.
If you suspect your harddisk, try running memtest86+ from a floppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocKer
Depends on how high FSB.multi you will get. For this winchester 3000+ VX probably is much better as I go down on memory divider and end up having to do around 250-260mhz tops, while my 3500+ newcastle is better off around 280-300mhz. It also depends heavily on memory controller of the CPU unfortunately as even with higher multi you might have to go down on divider for max overclock if your memory controller can't keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by a5h
Choices, choices.
BTW, opp :) I beat you in 1 stick... out of 4. 267mhz 2-2-2-8 running fine @ ocz memtest86 #5 fine for hours now. The other 3 were not as good though :P
Alonso ,
As far as I can tell MTEC is normaly PCS die , so if people want to take there chances buying mtec , we really are not bothered.
The funny thing is early today we got a blackmail letter , saying the same thing your posting , that we have found some majic new winbond chips.
The one comment I have is even if people figure out whos making these chips , there still not going to be speed screened , and only 20-30% of the current raw parts pass our internal test spec. If you really want to take your chances on something I can get the raw un- binned parts made into a special part number , which you can then order at a much lower cost ... no guarantees it will do as well as vx in every case though
Let me know :-)
Oh , here is the funny blackmail letter
" Hello,
i know what the chips are on your VX ram. They are Winbond UTT blank chips :> Very cheap chips.
And also know that you, ocz, don’t want that this is going to be puplic, cauz more than 100% win on one 512mb DDR-Ram is very much ;)
I’ve got 50 Mtecs with Winbond UTT…
So I think you’re pleased that I keep my Mouth shut … cauz u would like to make much money as possible, that’s normal I know.…
(mtec oem about 39Eur/512mb)
I think there could maybe a deal… for keeping my mouth closed or do you want that everybody know that this ram have one of the cheapest chips on the market…
Hope for a fast reply.
In Rar archive some screens of my Winbond UTT…
Grats Martin"
ryan,
LOL!!!! :) What did you offer him? ;)
The best way to get proper VX modules is to go OCZ. No doubt about it. But the Mtec is worth a gamble IMO. I will probably buy the VX (for benching) when it's released in 256MB modules if they reach much higher speeds then 512MB modules. Any info about that?
Martin strikes me as a very smart guy :D
But it has me thinking we should release unbinned vx for those crazy guys who like to take chances .. We could eliminate the cost of speed binning and hand testing . We could sell them cheaper.
Call it VX value series ;-)
Might be a good idea with the VX value.
On Brainpower PCB.... :)
What exactly does your speed binning process determine? Whether they can run 2-2-2 @ a specific voltage? How do the chips that don't pass speed binning for VX run? Do they just not go as high at 2-2-2, or do they not hit 2-2-2 at all, or...? What does a chip have to test out at before you bin it as VX gold?