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Very interesting to see how the NB (IMC/L3) can be clocked totally independently from the cpu itself. Phenom should be fast if someone could run all at sync if so is possible, let's say cpu 3GHz and also the NB at 3GHz. Anyway it's an interesting architecture, and nice posts KTE, keep the good work up! :toast: One question, can you in any 790FX motherboard set the NB speed separate from cpu in the bios and not with apps in win like WPCREDIT?
Agreed. This is just too much good info.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Thanks all. :) I thought it's useful to add in there because I understand some users will be shy to ask. :p:
As I posted above (12-02-2007 11:43 AM) the difference in L2/L3 cache latency by increasing NB speed is quite a lot. A drop of more than half the cycles is possible.
I've tested more: my CPU is bugged out and slower than others here after around 2.45-2.55GHz. Even at faster NB/HT and RAM clocks than them, it performs worse. :( I kinda knew this was coming all along and have been testing it for a while now. I think I'm going to get rid of this X4 now.
Also, the MSI K9A2 v1.1 BIOS doesn't change P-State values properly. 113 Beta (aka 1.1B3 IIRC) works.
Yes, that's how I'm doing it, through the BIOS. ;)Quote:
One question, can you in any 790FX motherboard set the NB speed separate from cpu in the bios and not with apps in win like WPCREDIT?
I'll post a picture of of the P-State edit menu soon. It's something which has been added very recently and is still quite buggy.
Look HERE for pics of BIOS options, AM2+ P-States and BIOS Overclocking screenshots. ;)
need help with this mobo, i have had installed vista 32 bit ok no probs when first time on win but when i install drivers it just wont boot back crashed during load up desktop , so safe mode, ok well installed xp proff without service packs same thing now installing xp proff with sp1, any tips?
btw all at stock and 34 sec sp1m run :P
It'll be a driver you had on there, I had the same problem I was stuck in Safe Mode for 2 weeks. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by KeZzZu
Clear the drivers, I mean totally wipe out the drivers. That's the only way (usually a format) or it'll just flash blue on startup and reboot. You can delete drivers in SafeMode.
Yep. ;)Quote:
btw all at stock and 34 sec sp1m run :P
Stock SPi 1M CPU @ 2200MHz, NB/HT @ 1800MHz, RAM at 1:2 400MHz 3-3-3-3-11 1T: 34.219s
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3...tockxg7.th.jpg
Stock EVEREST memory and cache:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1...tockpz1.th.jpg
justapost you asked about idle system Power Consumption. I've had more time and now we have a better BIOS to tweak things through P-States. My PSU starts dropping efficiency below 95W to around 80%. Here's the figures.
Stock system/Stock volts:
4 cores 2.2GHz, lowest NB speed 800MHz, 800MHz HT speed, RAM 400MHz
CPU 1.192V, NB 1.1V, HT 1.225V, RAM 2.2V
91W VAC = 72.8W DC
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9...ocnqny4.th.jpg
4 cores 2.2GHz, lowest NB speed 800MHz, 100MHz HT speed, RAM 400MHz
CPU 1.192V, NB 1.1V, HT 1.225V, RAM 2.2V
89W VAC = 71.2W DC
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2...owhtvz1.th.jpg
4 cores 1GHz w/CnQ, lowest NB speed 800MHz, 100MHz HT speed, RAM 400MHz
CPU 1.040V, NB 1.1V, HT 1.225V, RAM 2.2V
82W VAC = 65.6W DC
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8...wcnqyn0.th.jpg
The individual component DC idle power draw as I've previously worked out with other CPU's is as follows:
10W GPU
8W RAM
7W HDD
2W HSF
Which comes to ~27W DC without the MB/chipset power draw. I don't know what the MB/chipset pulls frankly.
Let assume it's 10W idle (P35 pulls 36W load), then:
27W + 10W = 37W DC
Total DC Power Consumed - Component Less CPU Power Consumed = CPU Power Consumed
65.6W - 37W = ~28.6W DC by CPU
That's the lowest possible power draw for the 9500 I could get as you asked.HIH :)
All I can say is WOW!
KTE excellent work!
I think you've shade some light on Agena...
K10 really pack some serious power under its current low clocks… I have no doubt that its power will soon be unleashed…
kte actually AOD show's that my mobo is running on 9x mode
ht were 215x5 and the other nb? on 9x 32 sec sp1m run @ 2.36 ghz 4-4-4-x-2t
and unganged
Thanks mate, you're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
The edited version sounds much better => :D
I had the equipment, many lies around so why not test it and let those wanting to know genuinely? It's always the genuine people who loose out in all this FUD and mess. So I presented the facts I found from a retail B2. I hope you'd have said the same thing had I found 200W DC watts by Phenom. :p:
Phenom 9500 is very good at power/temps at stock and with CnQ for 65nm native quad. Very power efficient and cool I would say.
The watts/temps rise very quickly with voltage and high NB speeds.
BUT, at max voltage on everything and ~2.7GHz it was still below 275W DC system power draw full load. I run the system with a 330W PSU, I should know. ;)
The problem with you guys and power is, it's your GPU's which consume massive power. That's why I used a 2600 XT and not a 8800GT or 3870 instead.
Are you sure? When you bootup, you have to set the values yourself through the BIOS. Which Cell Menu values did you choose?Quote:
Originally Posted by KeZzZu
That 1M time is about right for the speed though.
I have:
AMD Phenom 9500+
MSI K9A2 Plat.
4GB of Geil PC8500 5-5-5-15
8800GTS
Rosewill 600W SLI version
Vista Ultimate 64bit
I've been play with it for a couple days now, and not have gotten it completely stable. Alot of the times I get a weird error "A clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor within an allocated time". It blue screens my pc. Even then I get a IRL error too. That bluescreens the PC. I tried the NB at 1.4 volts and bumping the CPU voltage up a tad, but its not stable at all. I'm running version v1.1, the new bios that was released yesterday. Finally got rid of the annoying F1 error with the PS2 mouse. That and Overdrive still freezes my pc. I still haven't gotten DDR21066 working at all, its getting annoying resetting the bios ya know?! Anything over 2.2 volts on the memory makes the error become more frequent.
What are your recommendations for voltages. Its a bit confusing seeing as there is 2 voltages for the CPU.
nitoxys: Stock voltage is around 1.232V. Install OverDrive 2.10 and the CPU VDDC is the only CPU voltage you need to change if overclocking. The other is CPU VID and you should not change that in my experience, it'll freeze/reboot your system. You can try it if you like.
NB only needs slight voltage. Leave NB stock voltage 1.1V, CPU at 1.35V-ish and HT at 1.25V-ish. DDR2-1066 will not run on thsi board unless it's SPD info or the RAM. EPP 1066 will be supported in the next BIOS next week AFAIK.
Then drop HT multi to x5 1000MHz. And then change HT ref. to 215MHz. Can you boot at 2365MHz? If not, try lower HT ref to see what you can bootup at.
I've had 267HT ref stock voltages on all things. Although unstable, but 2.7GHz was fully stable.
Great, tried it here on M2A-VM with 9500 an 80GB Pata HD and 2x1GB DDR2800 and onboard Gfx (x1200).Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
CPU 2.2 GHz, lowest NB speed 1800MHz, 1000MHz HT speed, RAM 400MHz 5-5-5-15-21 2T
CPU 1.150V+100mV, NB 1,2V, RAM 1,8V
PSU has 89% efficiency at idle loads.
86W VAC = 77W DC
100MHz HT
84W VAC = 75W DC
Tried to detect usages here so i come up with this.Quote:
The individual component DC idle power draw as I've previously worked out with other CPU's is as follows:
10W GPU
8W RAM
7W HDD
2W HSF
Which comes to ~27W DC without the MB/chipset power draw. I don't know what the MB/chipset pulls frankly.
Let assume it's 10W idle (P35 pulls 36W load), then:
27W + 10W = 37W DC
4W OnBoard GPU (Diff between Onboard+HD2600XT and HD2600XT with onboard turned off)
8,4W RAM
6,4W HD
1,5W HSF
15W Chipset without onboard gpu
77W-35,1W = 41,9W CPU !!
I can not change the Nb multiplier here stays at 9x (can change it with wpredit but it changes back during reboot). Must have CnQ enabled in Bios, otherwise the CPU multi is fixed at 5x.
Max ref HT i can boot at is 238MHz but it is not prime95 stable for a few minutes and the CPU gets pretty hot (83°).
My resullts with 1:2 ram (800) and 5x HT multi:
It makes no difference if i switch between Desktop and Energy Saving Profile in idle usage. For load i ran prime95 for 10 minutes and build an median between max and min. Temps are CPU and Board Temps during the prime95 run.
200HTT, CPU 1,25V, NB 1,2V, RAM 1,8V
Idle: 86W VAC / 77W DC
Load: 161W VAC / 151W DC
Temp: 56°/38°
205HTT, CPU 1,25V, NB 1,3V, RAM 1,8V
Idle: 86W VAC / 78,5W DC
Load: 164W VAC / 154W DC
Temp: 59°/39°
210HTT, CPU 1,3V, NB 1,3V, RAM 1,8V
Idle: 92W VAC / 83,5W DC
Load: 176W VAC / 165W DC
Temp: 63°/40°
215HTT, CPU 1,325V, NB 1,3V, RAM 1,8V
Idle: 96W VAC / 87,5W DC
Load: 187W VAC / 178W DC
Temp: 67°/41°
220HTT, CPU 1,375V, NB 1,4V, RAM 2,0V
Idle: 101W VAC / 93W DC
Load: 204W VAC / 197W DC
Temp: 70°/41°
Added a few fans
220HTT, CPU 1,375V, NB 1,4V, RAM 2,0V
Idle: 117,5W VAC / 109,5W DC
Load: 212W VAC / 204W DC
Temp: 67°/30°
225HTT, CPU 1,4V, NB 1,5V, RAM 2,1V
Idle: 118,5W VAC / 110W DC
Load: 225W VAC / 218W DC
Temp: 68°/33°
230HTT, CPU 1,45V, NB 1,5V, RAM 2,1V
Idle: 132W VAC / 123W DC
Load: 246W VAC / 238W DC
Temp: 71°/33°
235HTT, CPU 1,525V, NB 1,5V, RAM 2,1V
Idle: 146,5W VAC / 138W DC
Load: 278W VAC / 274W DC
Temp: 80°/34°
Can boot with 238HTT but system freezes, same if i reach 239 HTT with ClockGen.
With an HD2600XT and onboard gfx turned off, the system consumes 95W DC, so at stock it looks quite comparable, i need lots of volts to reach ~2.6 GHz.
But i'm with amd cooler here waiting for shipment.
My 9500 seems to be most efficient at 2.2 GHz. I can not test lower freqs because the current (1501) bios does not have cpu mutiplier settings, that should be fixed in 1601 but that's not yet available for my type of board.
I'm really curios how much power that cpu will need in M3A.
Very nice, thanks. It's good to have two sets of figures. :D
BTW are you sure about your PSU? Mine is very high efficiency and it'll only get 80-86% at 240V between 60-330W. Those higher rated (above 450W) are usually low efficiency at low loads, usually 70-78% at below 150W loads.
This chip runs 2.640GHz stock volts on everything 100% stable 47C after 1hr20mins P95 in-place large one HSF at 1300RPM. ;)
Can you change AM2+ P-States? I doubt it, but that will be on AM2+ MB's and that'll let you get higher CPU frequencies. Still that's pretty good IMO.
Here's a quick Aquamark3 at 2.64GHz/1.92GHz NB/HT:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1...19amml4.th.jpg
Can you give us the settings you used please.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
My CPU could do 2.3GHz, 2.4Ghz, 2.5GHz, 2.6GHz, 2.7GHz, 2.8GHz, 2.9GHz at stock voltages on all things. If yours can't do 2.5GHz stable with voltage, then my settings are no use to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by nitoxys
Settings:
CPU V: 1.232V
NB V: 1.1V
HT V: 1.225
DRAM V: 2.2V
Spread Spectrum: Disabled
AM2+ P-State settings:
CPU FID: 06
CPU DID: 1
CPU VID: 28
NB FID: 04
NB DID: 1
NB VID: 36
HT ref.: 240
HT Link: 8x 1600MHz
;)
heya KTE,
what did u use to change ur DRAM voltage? OD?'
Have a Phenom 9500 and MSI K9A2 too. But i have 8gb of ram and running vista business x64 so hoping to get this junk to work :p
Rice20: Change it from the BIOS=> Cell Menu=> DDR2 voltage. ;)
looking forward to see good themes as this one is
Well I might do some quick roundup testing and then I'm selling mine ASAP. :)
hmm i dont have the option to change my DDR2 voltage. I'm using bios version 1.1 and theres a Memory Voltage selection in the options but its grayed out. Is that option only available in 113?
Edit: Bleh i cant get anything to work KTE. Even with your settings but with NB and HT mult at x7 & at 235 HT vista will hang. I can run memtest test #5 and #7 all day though. I tried upping PCIE to 109-115 and even upped voltages a little but it still freezes. Not sure why, maybe vista x64 just hates changes.
Umm, i answered two days ago to your post, but i somehow managed not to press the submit button at 4am.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
It's this one here.
The power meter should work proper, i guess it's the active pfc feature eighter giving mme those good results or faking my power meter. I will try other psu's for comparison as efficiency is normaly in the 70-78% range.
I ordered an CNPS7500-Cu and a Reseraptor 1p and hope it will reduce temps at 2550GHz, system runs prime95 stable for hours but the cup temp is abouve 80° with stock cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I have not tried it yet but i assume it will not work on the AM2 board. I'll try it on the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Hmm, can not run aquamark3 here, it fails after frame ~5100.
Did a few benchmarks with different ref. HT's found two benches behaving strange.
ScienceMark results go down as ref. HT goes up.
CrystalMark's first FPU results drops after an 5MHz increase of the ref HT and then start raising with ref. HT but even at 235MHz it's lower then at 200MHz.
I have DDR2-800 Ram 4-4-3-5-12 here but the board only uses 5-5-5-5-15 timings and allows only divider settings, so my everest memory result's are a little lower than your's and lightman's.
I'll get an BE 2400 (G2 Stepping, 2.3GHz, 45W) this weekend. So I can run a clock for clock comparison at 11x cpu multi. Also i'm curios how far i can go with this cpu. I guess i'll get close to 3GHz as the board can only handle a ref. HT up to 280.
9500 will end up with the M3A, HD2400pro, 4GB DDR2-800 Ram, Resinator 1p and four hd's as a replacement of my current ~ 1 year old server (dell 830, with pentium D cpu at 3GHz, 1GB DDR2 533 Ram).
I guess the power usage will be ~70W with 2GB and 1hd so it will be below 100W with 4GB and 4 hd's. The old server uses ~130W idling, so from that point of view it's a step forward. No miracle with D830's TDP.
Is this power usage possible with a q6600?
If i had ordered it for the desktop i'd be dissapointed, as it act's more or less like a X2 K8.
I paid ~200€ for the 9500 which is ~30€ less than the cheapest q6600 available two weeks ago.
I must admin i'm shocked by the amounts of volts i have to use to overclock the 9500. I'm unsure wheter it's an board or an CPU issue, I'll see once M3A arrives.
Hope i did not trash your thread, will start own review on the weekend.
aye 2.67ghz bench :P
http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?i...jahexuszd2.jpg
Nice. :)
That PSU is around 76-78% efficirent at those Watts. It won't be more at all.
So your DC draw is less. ;)
Volts? Each chip has a limit on NB/H ref. Only unlocked multi's can alleviate that but I reckon they will be in very short suppy/high demand/high prices.
This is stock volts on everything just done a few minutes back from bootup: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=278356
Here's some random 2.7GHz Phenom 9500 benches FYI. It's good to compare to see what is buggy and what you can expect at best. I've got C2D benches too and will have some Wolfdale and/or Yorkfield ones v.soon. ;)
SETUP: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=278530
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7186/setupoj8hw3.png
1M: 28.250s
AquaMark3 (CPU): 12,696
Cinebench10: Single: 2284 Multi: 8677
EVEREST CPUQueen: 16847
EVEREST Latency: 49.7s
Fritz: 6484
Hexus Pifast: 43.23s
Nuclearus: 12581
POV-Ray 3.71: 1840.82
Sup[e]rPrim[e] IE8: 59.99s
WinRAR: 2,258
wPrime 32M: 16.047s
Hey KTE,
i was wondering what bios u were using. Im using the 1.1 that was just released. Are you still using a beta bios? Which is the best so far that you've used?