Yeah, not bad for a $1/GB refurb special from Crucial.
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Yeah, not bad for a $1/GB refurb special from Crucial.
A data safety recap: how did each SSD fail (not detected at all, not writable, not readable at all, not readable fully..) and was there any degree of failure?
My drive, the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 60 (SF2281 + 32nm Toshiba Toggle NAND) died suddenly and completely. Windows and CDI warned of the death of the drive a few days ahead of time, and I assume it had to do with attribute 01 RAW READ ERROR RATE (I refer to it as RRER). The SF1200 + 25nm Hynix NAND Corsair F40-A also died in a similar manner.
The M4 was stopped for a few days, and upon restarting the system, the drive could not be found (this was believed to have been caused by super low data retention times, i.e. the M4 couldn't retain any data for the couple of days it was powered off).
I guess no one really knows for sure, but when you write as much and as fast as these drives are, it's hard for the NAND to retain any charge for long without power. Normally, a drive should be able to retain it's data for 1 year after exhaustion, but if you incur that exhaustion in a month or two, all bets are off.
Bluestang,
I bought a Vertex Turbo 128GB for 1$/GB, and they're still around (and not marked as refurbs). I'm thinking about buying another one while they're still around, as they're good for just about everything (though to be fair, your M225 Turbo is a Hall of Fame candidate for sure.)
Today was "RMA a lot of broken stuff" day.
Some companies are a lot easier to work with than others, and any company that does advanced RMAs in my book is excellent. I don't normally buy stuff from one vendor or another based on customer support, but I might have to reconsider.
Dealing with Asus is particularly irritating, and OCZ can be infuriating -- takes a long, long time to communicate. Fortunately, I've never had to RMA much stuff.
Mushkin, is really easy to deal with as you can just call them up for anything. You can buy stuff, get technical help or set up advanced RMAs in one short phone call (to an actual breathing person, even! Unlike some other companies I could name).
I bought a Chronos Deluxe 120 today from Mushkin, and I'm considering endurance testing it. It won't be here for a while, though. I'm also looking at some other 60GB SF2281s to see if it dies the same way the Deluxe 60 did.
I'm working on creating a summary in the first post, it will take some more time as the thread has grown a lot :)
(I'm about half way there on collecting details, as soon as the details are collected I'll rewrite the first post completely)
@Christopher
Don't you know what day it is? :) -> SnB-E
Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)
477.49TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 12
Available Reserved Space : E8 99
MD5 OK
33.60MiB/s on avg (~46 hours)
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Corsair Force 3 120GB
01 92/50 (Raw read error rate)
05 2 (Retired Block count)
B1 57 (Wear range delta)
E6 100 (Life curve status)
E7 10 (SSD Life left)
E9 371497 (Raw writes) ->363TiB
F1 494479 (Host writes) ->483TiB
MD5 OK
106.61MiB/s on avg (~46 hours)
power on hours : 1434
B1 has dropped to 57.
Todays update:
Kingston V+100
233.0828 TiB
935 hours
Avg speed 76.98 MiB/s
AD still 1.
168= 0 to 1 (SATA PHY Error Count)
P/E?
MD5 OK.
Reallocated sectors : 00
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=467961http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=467960
Intel X25-M G1 80GB
46,9237 TiB
18890 hours
Reallocated sectors : 00
MWI=18 to 15
MD5 OK
48.26 MiB/s on avg
http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=467962http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?ap...tach_id=467959
The test has been down for some hours today due to a cpu upgrade but now it's running again :up:
SB-E Day?
More like "no Cherryville for you!!!" day.
I'm pretty sure that's what it's called on my calendar anyway.
B.A.T.
CPU upgrade? to what?
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Dear Intel,
If you want to just send me a new X79 setup, complete with DX79SI mobo and Extreme series processor, I'd be happy to use it to endurance test with. Failing that, just send me a couple of Cherryvilles and we'll call it even. I'll totally shill your gear! PM me!
If not, I'm going to rip you incessantly for still including PCI slots on you motherboards. I mean, it was your idea to ditch them, and now your "Extreme" mainboards have 1,2, and 3 PCI slots.
Really, it's up to you. I mean, everyone and their mom, dog, and obese hamster got review samples. Share the love.
Christopher
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FX-8150. Got it in the mail same week my son came and finally I had the time and energy to do it :)
@B.A.T
So an FX-8150 for the Endurance test?
@Christopher
Did you notice the sale at Link :)
SnB-E :)
I've ordered the MB but have yet to decide on the CPU
Anvil,
I've been toying with the idea of picking up a Vertex LE. They're(well, the 100 anyway) actually a lot cheaper some where else... Actually, I got the Vertex Turbo 120 instead just because I liked the M225 "Turbo" so much.
You think they've got lifetime throttling?
I'm pretty sure they have Lifetime Throttling, still they are about the cheapest 34nm NAND you can get so they should be OK for normal usage.
It was for my main rig and at the moment I got the endurance test running from it so, yeah :)
I also updated my folding rig and I'm thinking of moving both ssd to that one instead.
And of course I ordrered another M4 64GB :rolleyes: It's demo/returned but for 680,- NOK I couldn't resist
I haven't decided what to do with it but maybe data retention or a rerun of the endurance test.....
I'm still thinking about running the M4 64GB I have. It's only used 3PE cycles, and I was thinking about how I would run it. Maybe overprovisioned? Maybe I could launch my testing rig into space for some cosmic ray testing...
So many options!
I haven't decided what I'm going to do yet, but I figured there should be at least one M4 in the test at all times.
Does NOK stand for Norwegian Okra? :D
You don't use slimy vegetables for currency do you?? :confused:
After looking in to how much some of these drives are in Norway, I'm glad I live in the land of cheap SSDs.
Cheap SSDs are the greatest thing ever.
Cosmic ray testing sounds like a lot of fun, you can take care of that aspect :rofl:
Our currency is Kroner and NOK stands for NOrwegian Kroner. 1USD=5,7 NOK
The M4 64GB cost 769 NOK = 134 USD (that is including VAT of 25%) I think newegg have the same one for 115USD.
I know what NOK stands for :)
I forget about the VAT every time.
That explains it.
The M4 has been getting more and more expensive here for some reason. I bought my M4 64 for $89 with shipping a few months back. Now the cheapest I've seen it it recently is $109 + shipping. The 128 could be found for as little as $165 for a time, now it's as expensive as the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 120. And the Intel 510 is just stupid expensive now, especially compared to much cheaper drives. For the price of the 120 510 you can almost get an Agility 3 240. G1 and G2 Intel drives were going inexpensively on Ebay a few weeks ago, now they're all absurdly priced. I got a X25 E 32GB for $88 (I think that's somewhere around 500 NOK). Now when you can find them, they're four times that much. Pricing might be volatile for new drives, but used drives fluctuate constantly. I've bought 4 used Intel drives, and not one of them had more than 300GB of host writes on it. I've been looking at getting some more, but all the value is gone.
Buying a used SSD from anyone but us here in the endurance thread is a very low risk. They are hardly written to and with no moving parts to wear down the only problem are issues from production and you got warranties for that :)
Here are some ex from Norway
M4 64GB
http://www.prisjakt.no/bilder/graph_price.php?p=866383
M4 128GB
http://www.prisjakt.no/bilder/graph_price.php?p=873561
Intel 510 120GB
http://www.prisjakt.no/bilder/graph_price.php?p=819442
Intel 320 120GB
http://www.prisjakt.no/bilder/graph_price.php?p=844282
Vertex 3 MI 120GB
http://www.prisjakt.no/bilder/graph_price.php?p=867284
Low risk doesn't mean stupid :) A screenshot of CDI is never wrong when buying used.
I've had good luck buying used INTEL drives. For some reason, none of the 4 drive purchased a different times from different people had more than a few hundred hours, host writes, or power cycles. I'd be wary of buying used drives of other makes (but that's just my opinion). I can't say why my cross section of auction purchases have been almost new, but if a guy's splitting up his 8 drive array its a safe bet they haven't been thrashed too much (sometimes? Maybe stay away from Computurd's). If I can return the drive it makes me feel better about buying it.
I wouldn't want to buy a SF or Indilinx drive from a stranger, especially out of warranty. Especially OCZ Indilinxes as you can dflash them, misrepresenting actual writes and other factors when you get show some SMART data. Intel drives are just a safer bet when buying used. If you're buying second hand from a friend or someone you know, it's different.
I even opened up the drives when I got them to make sure they weren't some kinda Communist Chinese forgeries. Not sure how you make a fake X25-M, but I'm not taking any chances. Damn Communists and their counterfeit products!
I had a good run on Ebay, but mainly I just see a lot of absurdly high prices now. Occasionally, you'll see someone with an SSDlife/CDI shot on the auction site, but that's pretty rare.
I think what I'm trying to say is, if you're going to buy a used SSD from a stranger, drink as much Tequila as you can first. It will make things easier.
Sounds like a good advice :D
Kingston SSDNow 40GB (X25-V)
478.91TB Host writes
Reallocated sectors : 05 12
Available Reserved Space : E8 99
MD5 OK
33.37MiB/s on avg (~58 hours)
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Corsair Force 3 120GB
01 95/50 (Raw read error rate)
05 2 (Retired Block count)
B1 56 (Wear range delta)
E6 100 (Life curve status)
E7 10 (SSD Life left)
E9 375057 (Raw writes) ->366TiB
F1 499220 (Host writes) ->488TiB
MD5 OK
106.60MiB/s on avg (~58 hours)
power on hours : 1446
B1 has dropped from 57 to 56.
It's getting closer to the first retention tests.
Oops, never mind me posting this :wasntme: